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What would you do ? ..... or what should you do ?

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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,317

    MISTY4ME said:

    Cheers Graham @StayOrGo

    Really good insight into Satellite play.

    Because I have to play more satellites to try to get in to Bigger Tourneys, I think I have quite a good record, and understand some, but defo not all of what I should do.

    Any advice is really helpful ......and hopefully other low stakes players appreciate it too.

    Keep advice coming please

    ..... I'm sure I'll be posting more hands on here :)

    Sorry I just seen the post, god advice from Graham, and I fold both times in this situation .
    Have you read any of Dara's books ? All worth getting , GL.
    Cheers George.

    I haven't read any of Dara's books ..... but hoping Father Xmas might be bringing one :Do:)
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592

    TheWaddy said:

    Because I enjoy taking on things that are outside my comfort zone.

    I love it where it's not safe, where it's edgey and a little bit scary. That's why in the past I liked to hang off mountains, race motorbikes, work doors, compete in martial arts and have a what don't kill me makes me stronger outlook.

    The broken bones, battered body, bruised limbs and constant adrenalin surges. The frequent "Wow that was close" moments and the realisation that you only really live when you put it all on the line is what motivated me, and to some extent still does

    I can't help it, that's how I'm wired.

    I had no idea a £1 HU sng held such dangers... i didnt realise what a bad **** mo f***** i was!
    Calm down big lad, I was simply analogising how I enjoy being outside my own comfort zone.

    Certainly playing against a PLO8 specialist does that. although my 0 - 7 current scoreline would seem to suggest that trying to play optimally is indeed a bad idea.

    So in the next stanza I am just going to blast with any pretty hands and see if I can't set you off on a rant.
    Or alternatively, you can suggest a 1.30pm time for the Monday and simply not turn up.... or on the Tuesday either......

    Had my new skull motif headband on and everything....
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    TheWaddy said:

    TheWaddy said:

    Because I enjoy taking on things that are outside my comfort zone.

    I love it where it's not safe, where it's edgey and a little bit scary. That's why in the past I liked to hang off mountains, race motorbikes, work doors, compete in martial arts and have a what don't kill me makes me stronger outlook.

    The broken bones, battered body, bruised limbs and constant adrenalin surges. The frequent "Wow that was close" moments and the realisation that you only really live when you put it all on the line is what motivated me, and to some extent still does

    I can't help it, that's how I'm wired.

    I had no idea a £1 HU sng held such dangers... i didnt realise what a bad **** mo f***** i was!
    Calm down big lad, I was simply analogising how I enjoy being outside my own comfort zone.

    Certainly playing against a PLO8 specialist does that. although my 0 - 7 current scoreline would seem to suggest that trying to play optimally is indeed a bad idea.

    So in the next stanza I am just going to blast with any pretty hands and see if I can't set you off on a rant.
    Or alternatively, you can suggest a 1.30pm time for the Monday and simply not turn up.... or on the Tuesday either......

    Had my new skull motif headband on and everything....
    Sorry, yesterday the wife had a hospital appointment and today I couldn't be bothered tbh. Tomorrow I'm having a Doplar scan 13.00 until 15.30 so maybe Thursday.
  • Spike4000Spike4000 Member Posts: 280
    @TheWaddy ive had 22 all ins tonight with a higher ace than my opponent only won 8/22

    other day it was 11/27

    i am a 65%+ favourite why is it doing this to me lol, i still believe its not rigged but wtf is going on this week...

    oh and for contrast i have only won 2/11 when im not favourite.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited November 2023
    Spike4000 said:

    @TheWaddy ive had 22 all ins tonight with a higher ace than my opponent only won 8/22

    other day it was 11/27

    i am a 65%+ favourite why is it doing this to me lol, i still believe its not rigged but wtf is going on this week...

    oh and for contrast i have only won 2/11 when im not favourite.

    @Spike4000

    Hi Spikey

    I'm enjoying your Forum contributions, keep it up, & if you think I may be able to assist with anything, don't be afraid to drop me a PM.

    With sample sizes like that (11, 22 & 27), you will get wild swings in the outcomes & the results are meaningless. Personally speaking, I think 10,000 hands should be the very minimum criteria. Anything less & we won't get accurate results.

    Here's an example of how expected standard deviations become more accurate with bigger sample sizes. In the case below it's "win rate" but exactly the same logic applies to variance in all it's weird & wonderful forms, including card distribution &, to take a perfect example, coin tosses. Even with only two outcomes, you'd be surprised at the variance in coin tosses with small sample sizes.

    The bigger the sample, the smaller the deviation. I suspect that applies to all statistics.


    10,000 hands: +/- 10 BB/100

    50,000 hands: +/- 4.47 BB/100

    100,000 hands: +/- 3.16 BB/100

    1,000,000 hands: +/- 1 BB/100



    Source - https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/


    Hope that helps.




  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    Here's another example of the extraordinary fickleness of variance.

    The Sky Poker Final Table Jackpot takes quite a bit of winning.

    Broadly speaking, the Main get ~180 entries, the Mini ~270, & to win a share of the Jackpot a player has to finish in the top six of both, on the same night.

    The FTJ "runs" 365 nights per year. Pure guess on my part, but a FTJ payout probably takes place 12 to 15 times per year. (May be slightly more, but I don't keep records).

    This week it's happened 3 times in 4 nights.

    Never underestimate the power of variance.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Spike4000 said:

    @TheWaddy ive had 22 all ins tonight with a higher ace than my opponent only won 8/22

    other day it was 11/27

    i am a 65%+ favourite why is it doing this to me lol, i still believe its not rigged but wtf is going on this week...

    oh and for contrast i have only won 2/11 when im not favourite.

    This is exactly what my experience has been over the 12 or so years since black friday. The moderator suggests it will even out over time, as odds dictate. Mine hasnt, hope yours does.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,491
    TheWaddy said:

    Spike4000 said:

    @TheWaddy ive had 22 all ins tonight with a higher ace than my opponent only won 8/22

    other day it was 11/27

    i am a 65%+ favourite why is it doing this to me lol, i still believe its not rigged but wtf is going on this week...

    oh and for contrast i have only won 2/11 when im not favourite.

    This is exactly what my experience has been over the 12 or so years since black friday. The moderator suggests it will even out over time, as odds dictate. Mine hasnt, hope yours does.
    You’re very dull
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Sorry i have no pictures to put up of blokes wearing shorts to play golf..... You may find the poker talk dull but your on the wrong site... try gimpgolfshortsfetish.com.......
  • Spike4000Spike4000 Member Posts: 280
    yeah i know what you're saying, and in no way am i saying it is rigged just saying how attrocious i am running atm @Tikay10
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    Spike4000 said:

    yeah i know what you're saying, and in no way am i saying it is rigged just saying how attrocious i am running atm @Tikay10

    @Spike4000

    Proper character testing game at times, isn't it? It's wonderful when we have a bit of run-good though. Hope your luck soon changes buddy
  • Spike4000Spike4000 Member Posts: 280
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Madman888Small blind150.00150.0019625.00
    CORRABOYBig blind300.00450.0019012.50
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    THEOCALOTFold
    woodyboo14Call300.00750.0014880.00
    Spike4000Raise900.001650.0036378.76
    PEGGYSU594Fold
    Madman888Fold
    CORRABOYFold
    woodyboo14All-in14880.0016530.000.00
    Spike4000Raise28560.0045090.007818.76
    Spike4000Unmatched bet14280.0030810.0022098.76
    woodyboo14Show
    • Q
    • A
    Spike4000Show
    • A
    • A
    Flop
    • K
    • 10
    • 9
    Turn
    • J
    River
    • 10
    woodyboo14WinStraight to the Ace30810.0030810.00
    @Tikay10 you see what i mean? crazy week this has been... :(
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576


    @Spike4000

    Yup, it's brutal when it happens, but you could just as easily be A-Q man.

    When our Aces get bust, telling our mates & others is a sort of psychological comfort blanket & we all want to do it. But when we are the A-Q, our mind forgets how lucky we got.

    The ways our minds work with these things is utterly fascinating & very complex.
  • Spike4000Spike4000 Member Posts: 280
    I'd never be aq because i wouldnt limp shove 50bb :D:D:D
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Long losing runs in these situations where your a big fave, but no long winning runs.... winning runs will be just as good as odds dictate and nothing more....

    This is the problem... odds say that if there are going to be long runs, then there should be a lot more long winning runs than losing ones, but it never works out that way!
  • Spike4000Spike4000 Member Posts: 280
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    gandalf111Small blind150.00150.009330.00
    teeeceeeBig blind300.00450.002725.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    Card4LifeFold
    Spike4000Raise600.001050.0031765.00
    gandalf111Fold
    teeeceeeAll-in2725.003775.000.00
    Spike4000Call2425.006200.0029340.00
    teeeceeeShow
    • K
    • A
    Spike4000Show
    • A
    • A
    Flop
    • Q
    • 7
    • 2
    Turn
    • 3
    River
    • 5
    teeeceeeWinFlush to the Ace6200.006200.00
    running like absolute sh!te today wtf!!
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Personally i was able to tell my opponents during a break in a tourney tonight, of what would happen shortly after the break... that an opponent 'booker' would go all in preflop with rags and scoop the whole pot at hi lo and knock me out....

    As he had been all in several times with poor holdings and it just wasnt allowing him to giveaway... the odds were just not possible for him to be surviving.

    So we know in these circumstances that being a low stack, i would be facing that very hand against him soon and
    what the outcome was going to be.

    Which was precisely what happened first hand after the break, a non hi lo holding that flopped the nuts and even improved further..... i even typed 'may as well get the outdraw over with' before putting my chips in. Booker had already agreed in the break that this would happen as he felt he knew the score too.

    Its disappointing players know in advance whats going to happen.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    I have never had such a conversation playing with a real deck, nor would it ever be something that would cross my mind. Funny that....
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TheWaddySmall blind400.00400.003947.48
    booker4Big blind800.001200.0012192.82
    Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 3
    • A
    • 2
    gonkieFold
    tonynwFold
    TheWaddyRaise2000.003200.001947.48
    booker4Raise6400.009600.005792.82
    TheWaddyAll-in1947.4811547.480.00
    booker4Unmatched bet2852.528694.968645.34
    TheWaddyShow
    • Q
    • 3
    • A
    • 2
    booker4Show
    • 10
    • 3
    • J
    • Q
    Flop
    • Q
    • 9
    • 8
    Turn
    • 6
    River
    • Q
    booker4Win highFlush to the Queen8694.9617340.30
    No qualifying low hand
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,317
    Spike4000 said:

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    gandalf111Small blind150.00150.009330.00
    teeeceeeBig blind300.00450.002725.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    Card4LifeFold
    Spike4000Raise600.001050.0031765.00
    gandalf111Fold
    teeeceeeAll-in2725.003775.000.00
    Spike4000Call2425.006200.0029340.00
    teeeceeeShow
    • K
    • A
    Spike4000Show
    • A
    • A
    Flop
    • Q
    • 7
    • 2
    Turn
    • 3
    River
    • 5
    teeeceeeWinFlush to the Ace6200.006200.00
    running like absolute sh!te today

    wtf!!

    @Spike4000

    Hi mate

    Can you put the WTF Hands on the WTF Thread with @misterpj please :)

    ..... I was hoping this thread would be more of a help for us rec's, with input from the best players on the site, on the hands posted

    Cheers :)
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,317
    edited November 2023
    TheWaddy said:

    I have never had such a conversation playing with a real deck, nor would it ever be something that would cross my mind. Funny that....

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TheWaddySmall blind400.00400.003947.48
    booker4Big blind800.001200.0012192.82
    Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 3
    • A
    • 2
    gonkieFold
    tonynwFold
    TheWaddyRaise2000.003200.001947.48
    booker4Raise6400.009600.005792.82
    TheWaddyAll-in1947.4811547.480.00
    booker4Unmatched bet2852.528694.968645.34
    TheWaddyShow
    • Q
    • 3
    • A
    • 2
    booker4Show
    • 10
    • 3
    • J
    • Q
    Flop
    • Q
    • 9
    • 8
    Turn
    • 6
    River
    • Q
    booker4Win highFlush to the Queen8694.9617340.30
    No qualifying low hand
    @TheWaddy

    Can you start your own threads with your MOANING hands please, so that those who want to ignore them, can :s

    ...... this thread was hopefully meant to be constructive and helpful for us rec's

    Thank you in anticipation :)
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