If you were put in a situation where you had 'A-Aces' and your opponent had A6o and you could run it once and the outcome was based on whether your family lived or died....
And you had one choice, run it with a real deck or run it online, which would everyone pick?
Ooooo thats a tough one for you guys, i 100% know the answer absolutely all would choose, but you certainly aint gonna put it on here!!!!!
Kind of put things in perspective......
Id be running mine whilst glancing over to Jacs/Misty/edge/stokefc's stubborn choice, raising my eyebrows at them as the As 6c online flops 5s 7s 8s...........
Oh come on, this is great forum banter, you all recognise it but put your fingers in your ears and shout blah blah blah blah!
It maybe a stubborn choice but i don't profess to be a poker god and never will be A rec getting top 2 % of their range won't think about the cold hard facts of folding on or near the bubble , perhaps they should but these hands don't come around often so when they do a rec will more than likely go with it weather it's the right or wrong play If it goes wrong it's a shrug of the shoulders and on to the next one and no bleating about it
Well no, but asking weather you would run a 80/20 scenario dependent on your family lived or died , real deck or not is a bit stupid if you ask me , the odds would still be the same
Well no, but asking weather you would run a 80/20 scenario dependent on your family lived or died , real deck or not is a bit stupid if you ask me , the odds would still be the same
Cool, mumsie and stokefc are choosing the online hand!
Push came to shove, they totally lying, but hey it proves the stubborness of the clique! Which is the real point i was making.....
You just won't accept other peoples opinions and instead call those people the tea party or clique which is bizarre , you think online deck is exaggerated and so do others most people don't , while there are cards in the deck real or online anything can and does happen , most of us don't cry like a baby when it happens I don't know why i'm trying argue with you your mind is entrenched and it will never change
After you lost there are 3 possible ways that you could have changed the outcome.
1 Play the queens. 2 Fold the aces. 3 Play some of the hands between the queens and the aces differently.
It's too late
I'm happy with the way I played .........sometimes you are just going to get extremely UNLUCKY
.....as I said on the 1st page
What was your double up hand after you lost with the aces?
A-9s
TommyD called with 3-4s .....'coz it was his BB
You might find that your very short stack, and the likelihood that his two cards were live, may have also played a part in his decision making process.
In the end though, he got rid of me 'coz I was trying to tell him what the European Sales people needed ..... only for him to implement exactly what I'd asked for
In the end though, he got rid of me 'coz I was trying to tell him what the European Sales people needed ..... only for him to implement exactly what I'd asked for
You are completely deluded.
What was this ingenious suggestion?
I told you that European Sales Staff needed a basic wage and couldn't work on Commission alone.....which you implemented not long after I left.
After you lost there are 3 possible ways that you could have changed the outcome.
1 Play the queens. 2 Fold the aces. 3 Play some of the hands between the queens and the aces differently.
It's too late
I'm happy with the way I played .........sometimes you are just going to get extremely UNLUCKY
.....as I said on the 1st page
What was your double up hand after you lost with the aces?
A-9s
TommyD called with 3-4s .....'coz it was his BB
You might find that your very short stack, and the likelihood that his two cards were live, may have also played a part in his decision making process.
This is an interesting spot and feels incredibly close. I quickly inputted a few ranges and seems like regardless of shoving ranges Aces has 84-85% equity vs an all in. If you win the all in you basically get a seat 100% of the time. 88% of the field gets paid. I wouldn't be able to calculate what your chance of cashing are at this point if you fold but with 8000 chips left after paying your BB I'd imagine it's going to be above 90%. So if you were covered here it would be an easy fold.
But you aren't covered. You also need to work out what percent of the time you cash if you call, lose and are left with 2800 chips. I don't know what this figure is but I reckon it is is higher than you think. You have a full 6 hands until your in the BB again and there is collision going to be happening on other tables in the meantime. I'd say you still cash over half the time.
So lets say it's half the time to make it easy. If you fold your odds of making the money are likely over 90%. If you call Aces 85% of the time you make the money. Of the 15% of the time you lose you probably make the money 7.5%. So by calling Aces here you make the money 92.5% of the time.
As you can see it's incredibly close. It could probably be solved if you ran the spot in HRC but I don't have it. It's close enough that your not winning or losing much either way.
If you were really trying to maximise your EV, you could probably make more money folding by calling. You are at one of the 3 tables that have 6 players and not 5, so the blinds come around slower for you. Also players on other tables will no doubt make some massive calling mistakes which increases your chance of cashing. You could probably generate a higher chance of cashing by time-banking every hand and slowing down the play also.
I would call in game, but that's more down to me having far too many tables to figure all this out in 15 seconds than it being the best play.
This is an interesting spot and feels incredibly close. I quickly inputted a few ranges and seems like regardless of shoving ranges Aces has 84-85% equity vs an all in. If you win the all in you basically get a seat 100% of the time. 88% of the field gets paid. I wouldn't be able to calculate what your chance of cashing are at this point if you fold but with 8000 chips left after paying your BB I'd imagine it's going to be above 90%. So if you were covered here it would be an easy fold.
But you aren't covered. You also need to work out what percent of the time you cash if you call, lose and are left with 2800 chips. I don't know what this figure is but I reckon it is is higher than you think. You have a full 6 hands until your in the BB again and there is collision going to be happening on other tables in the meantime. I'd say you still cash over half the time.
So lets say it's half the time to make it easy. If you fold your odds of making the money are likely over 90%. If you call Aces 85% of the time you make the money. Of the 15% of the time you lose you probably make the money 7.5%. So by calling Aces here you make the money 92.5% of the time.
As you can see it's incredibly close. It could probably be solved if you ran the spot in HRC but I don't have it. It's close enough that your not winning or losing much either way.
If you were really trying to maximise your EV, you could probably make more money folding by calling. You are at one of the 3 tables that have 6 players and not 5, so the blinds come around slower for you. Also players on other tables will no doubt make some massive calling mistakes which increases your chance of cashing. You could probably generate a higher chance of cashing by time-banking every hand and slowing down the play also.
I would call in game, but that's more down to me having far too many tables to figure all this out in 15 seconds than it being the best play.
In the end though, he got rid of me 'coz I was trying to tell him what the European Sales people needed ..... only for him to implement exactly what I'd asked for
You are completely deluded.
What was this ingenious suggestion?
I told you that European Sales Staff needed a basic wage and couldn't work on Commission alone.....which you implemented not long after I left.
I first introduced a basic wage in 1999. I was subsequently outvoted by Barry, and Drew, and we went back to commission only. I was banging on about basics for many years. I believe I reintroduced it in 2007.
In the end though, he got rid of me 'coz I was trying to tell him what the European Sales people needed ..... only for him to implement exactly what I'd asked for
You are completely deluded.
What was this ingenious suggestion?
I told you that European Sales Staff needed a basic wage and couldn't work on Commission alone.....which you implemented not long after I left.
I first introduced a basic wage in 1999. I was subsequently outvoted by Barry, and Drew, and we went back to commission only. I was banging on about basics for many years. I believe I reintroduced it in 2007.
I never once had a basic wage ....... Aug 2006 - April 2009
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A rec getting top 2 % of their range won't think about the cold hard facts of folding on or near the bubble , perhaps they should but these hands don't come around often so when they do a rec will more than likely go with it weather it's the right or wrong play
If it goes wrong it's a shrug of the shoulders and on to the next one and no bleating about it
Ha! Ha! Misty needs rescue back with the Herd .. Baah!
All together.......
Thanks Danny ....... really good of you to take your time and reply
.....and WELL DONE in WSOP in VEGA$
TommyD called with 3-4s .....'coz it was his BB
Push came to shove, they totally lying, but hey it proves the stubborness of the clique! Which is the real point i was making.....
I don't know why i'm trying argue with you your mind is entrenched and it will never change
In the end though, he got rid of me 'coz I was trying to tell him what the European Sales people needed ..... only for him to implement exactly what I'd asked for
You are completely deluded.
What was this ingenious suggestion?
I told you that European Sales Staff needed a basic wage and couldn't work on Commission alone.....which you implemented not long after I left.
I first introduced a basic wage in 1999.
I was subsequently outvoted by Barry, and Drew, and we went back to commission only.
I was banging on about basics for many years.
I believe I reintroduced it in 2007.
I was subsequently outvoted by Barry, and Drew, and we went back to commission only.
I was banging on about basics for many years.
I believe I reintroduced it in 2007.
I never once had a basic wage ....... Aug 2006 - April 2009