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Dym thread - Mon Morning.
DOHHHHHHH
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1st March!! The day I've been dreading!!!!
Going for the big 10k points this month, I dunno how realistic that target is.
I normally play every other day, for like 3/4 hours playing cash, and a few tournys and sngs....
And get 3-4k.....
If I double that (playing every day) and then put abit more effort in on top, I think I can get there.
Part of that will be playing dyms, starting at £10 - I'll be posting hands on this thread rather than cluttering up the clinic with new threads.
Appreciate the input of the regulasr dym guys at all levels.
In some hands, I'll post the results, and reasoning behind why I did what I did, starting with thisb first one....
First one happened on the bubble this mornning, dealt a PP on the BB facing what is basically a shove UTG from a regular player.
First thought. - Snap call.
Secoind thought - Fold.....I thought I would rather be shoving than calling off, and this guy is never making this pot committing raise with anything less than 66.
Thoughts?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| hammerdave | Small blind | 200.00 | 200.00 | 2212.50 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Big blind | 400.00 | 600.00 | 1910.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| CHILLIE | Raise | 1200.00 | 1800.00 | 2700.00 | |
| ukelvis | Fold | ||||
| hammerdave | Fold | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Fold | ||||
| CHILLIE | Muck | ||||
| CHILLIE | Win | 1000.00 | 3700.00 | ||
| CHILLIE | Return | 800.00 | 0.00 | 4500.00 |
Comments
I agree you can safely fold this first one. Personally, I would make sure to shove at least once the following orbit (barring someone getting crippled or something).
Next 2....
Wasn't sure what to do on this flop......
I hate bet folding it, I've picked up equity if he calls, but it's obv likely to hit his range.
No notes on him, but flatting pre from his stack is horrid, so I assume he's a donk who loves to see flops w/TJ, QJ/QT/J9 etc......and then he isn't folding if he connects obv.
What would you do? check/give up? bet call? (ugh) Jam?
Im kicking myself here. Im sat with 4k, and AJo utg on the bubble.
The guy on the buttonn has me covered, and the other 2 are short - so I open to 800 to send a message to everyoine really, if the big stack shoves, I can fold....He needs a premium hand, prob AA or KK only to re-ship.......
The other 2 know that I'm obviously not folding - so to them it's luike facing a shove.
I obv snap it off when he re-shoves....
Should I have just folded pre????? with my stack??????
The KJs hand I wouldn't personally have opened there due to the guy on the button having a perfect reshoving stack (fine otherwise). As it is I definately think you're fine to stick him in. In fact I think you have to to be honest.
The second hand I don't think you've done a lot wrong at all. There's nothing wrong with taking steps to knock out the shorts stacks and end the game, especially with the blinds so high and a strong hand like AJ. What happened is something that will happen only very rarely so I wouldn't worry about it. Besides your still 3/4 in chips (albeit barely). FWIW I would raise it to 1000 to make absolutely clear everyone gets the message you're sending but w/e, it's probably just the same and your way you save 200 when the big stack reships.
Your second thought needs to become your default in these Dohhhhhhh. You are right imo, having played 100s of dyms with Chillie i think he must have you crushed. He could have 55 i suppose or obv AK, AQ. But no point calling, just shove the next time you have an open spot.
You are in a tricky position on this flop. It is a stick him all in bet, or a check fold unless he makes a redic min bet or summit, then you can peel a turn card. Dunno what id do tbh.
On the AJ hand I like your logic with the min raise, but i prefer a fold preflop because I want the guy on the button to put pressure on the blinds, not me. Alternatively, i want the sb and bb to clash. I am not in any immediate danger.
Edit* Its CLOSE again though and having read what JC has written after i wrote what i wrote i think you should listen to him!
Your posting some great hands Dohhhhhhh GOOD LUCK and keep it up!
Will be interested to hear how it matches up to your expectations.
Good comments from John as always and agree with him.
Fold 66
With the KJ. It's not the end if you shove and you lose to the expected call. You still have 10BB back and a double up will see you right back in it.
Nothing to be done about the AJ.
Good luck ... See you on a table I expect.
Good run in the first hour this morning, 100% record over 5/6 games.....
Plain sailing for the most part, but had to suck out on 1 bubble in a cooler situation. So I expect they'll take that one back off me later.
3 hands....
Hand 1
This hand is just me being unsure really. I think it might be 1 of those where either a shove or a fold is ok. That happens alot in NLHE tournys too, I suspect this is as close to a marginal shoving spot as you will get in a dym?
Or is it an insta-shove?
Or an easy fold?
Key note with this hand - the big blind is away.
It's not showing my stack, but I'm utg with about 2.2k, around 10xbb.
Have a note that I'd seen this guy open the button at 15/30 with 8-5 suited, and c bet 2 streets with 2nd pair on a draw heavy board.
I think without that note, I can fold here quite easily, but I suspected he's abit of a plonker, so decided to make the re-shove, believing he could be opening with, and would stack off with, worse aces, and KQ, QJ, TQs maybe type hands.
Too loose?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancecasper20 Small blind 75.00 75.00 1005.00 4t9 Big blind 150.00 225.00 4091.25 Your hole cards A Q akf1984 Raise 450.00 675.00 2498.75 CLUBCARDIA Fold DOHHHHHHH All-in 1740.00 2415.00 0.00 casper20 Fold 4t9 Fold akf1984 Call 1290.00 3705.00 1208.75
Hand 3
This is another re-shoving spot. If you didnn't like the first one (probably Hoggers) then you're gonna hate this one (definitely hoggers).
I can recall this guy being v aggressive in late position.
I had somewhere in the back of my mind that his open sizing is different with different types of hands, he min raises to induce, andn 3/4x's to steal.
This is by no means a solid read.....
However he had just taken a big hit to his comfortable stack, so I concluded he could be steam raising, and although I didn't think he was ever folding, I believed I was well ahead of his range.
Question - If I see he had TJo here, should I still re-ship??????
I've taken his name out, but shown the result, as you can see I made the right read on this occasion and held.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancetoro666 Small blind 100.00 100.00 1900.00 DOHHHHHHH Big blind 200.00 300.00 1715.00 Your hole cards A 9 docear13 Fold LilDevil Fold xxxRaise 600.00 900.00 762.50 toro666 Fold DOHHHHHHH All-in 1715.00 2615.00 0.00 xxxAll-in 762.50 3377.50 0.00 DOHHHHHHH Unmatched bet 552.50 2825.00 552.50 DOHHHHHHH Show A 9 xxxShow 9 K Flop Q 10 5 Turn A River 8 DOHHHHHHH Win Pair of Aces 2825.00 3377.50
Hand 1 - I think this is a more comfortable fold than what you have it down as. In my experience small pocket pairs do not play that well from early position for that many big blinds. Look for later position or fewer BBs. I know the BB is away and it looks fairly tight behind you but I still think it's a fold. Note that if the BB looks like he's away for the duration, you are now effectively on the bubble and should play accordingly. I've noticed so many opponents fail to recognise this in the past it's untrue.
Hand 2 - I think this is an absolutely fine re-ship against a player you consider could well be opening wide. With your stack you're loving it when this guy opens as you would much rather be re-shipping than opening here. As an aside, alot of players opening ranges will change as the levels progress so for this reason when I note down a specific tendancy I always include the level number (and often their remaining stack). I'm sure you already have the same thing in place so just adjust your notes now (I'm guessing he showed up with a hand this time?).
Hand 3 - Although you have zero fold equity, again I think this is a fine re-ship. You're comfortably ahead of his range at a time when you do need to accumulate chips. For this reason I would also (begrudgingly) call if I knew he had J-10o. Bear in mind if he is steaming he's also going to have the option to shove the next two hands before you act so I think this spot is as good as it gets and you cannot really afford to pass it up.
JC
This was probably the most eventful dym I've played yet.
I made a complete h/ash of this, I thought it was the bubble. So I folded my hand......hoping the bb wud stack off and it be game over, and even if he folds, he's struggling.
It wasn't the bubble, but would my fold still be okay with my stack sizes and looking at the guy who's already shoved?
Or is folding too tight?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHH Small blind 150.00 150.00 3610.00 kes69 Big blind 300.00 450.00 1090.00 Your hole cards 9 9 theniv Fold 18AND5TIME All-in 2025.00 2475.00 0.00 moses123 Fold DOHHHHHHH Fold kes69 Fold 18AND5TIME Muck 18AND5TIME Win 750.00 750.00 18AND5TIME Return 1725.00 0.00 2475.00
I jammed the very next hand from UTG +1, with AJo when I realised we weren't on the bubble, and the big blind did what I would consider a slow roll before calling me with Queens.
He typed AA/KK? in the chatbox, but hes obv a successful dym player, he was obv genuinely thinking about folding, fair enough.
That killed me, I tilt shoved 4 hands in a row and turned 1.2k into 3.1k, and was safe on the bubble, when this happened....
Explain the fold here by the big blind please...............
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHH Small blind 400.00 400.00 3740.00 kes69 Big blind 800.00 1200.00 2560.00 Your hole cards 6 Q theniv Fold 18AND5TIME All-in 1090.00 2290.00 0.00 DOHHHHHHH Fold kes69 Fold 18AND5TIME Muck 18AND5TIME Win 2000.00 2000.00 18AND5TIME Return 290.00 0.00 2290.00
290 more?????
FFS !
Ok hand 4 looks relatively simple to me, although I think you have confused the issue somewhat (no offence intended obv it's just that I'm a little confused.)
First you mistakenly thought it's the bubble. Fair enough, easy done. The fold is fine when you think you're on the bubble but I also think this is a fine fold regardless. I think the shover has enough chips to make you want to fold this comfortably. You're prob getting fed up of hearing this but you would much rather get your chips in first. With the stack you have you're extremely comfortable and can surely wait for spots to do this. On top of everything, against this shover you are in terrible shape here.
Then the next bit is what confuses me more than anything. (First of all I assume you mean 2 hands later not the next hand and that 18 was in the blinds?). I don't understand why you open jammed AJ for 3610 chips with the BB at 300 because you realised it wasn't the bubble. It's like all of a sudden you're in some great rush. Now, if you open jammed because everyone else had, say, 8BBs or less, then perhaps it's a sound move (I doubt it though to be absolutley honest). I sense that you may have underestimated your own stack here. Rather than 12 BBs, you should see 3610 chips as absolutely plenty at this stage. I would prefer to open to 750 and obv call the shortstack's shove, revaluate anyone else's (fold the vast majority of the time.) I think you get the same result by raising to 750 as you do by shoving. If you get called by 18 here, your dead (I would say QQ is the bottom of his calling range here.)
Regarding slow-rolling it's just plainly not. Like you said, the guy is a very solid DYM player and as I said QQ is the bottom of his calling range here. This was a very real decision for him. He was also comfortable on 2475.
The fold by the BB at the end is rediculous to be fair. Could have been a mis-click or something.
JC
Anyway, the AJ shove....
Yeh it must have been 2 hands later, 18 was the BB........When I shoved it wasn't because I realised it wasn't the bubble, more that I realised it was game on again, and there was still work to be done....
So I went back to playing "normally"........I would normally shove AJs in that situation, if I'm raise/calling off, I'm sacrificing fold equity - and as you said 18 struggles to call with QQ there, so the amount of times he's getting involved is almost never. Surely his calling range is narrower than his re-shoving range??.......He could fold AK here for example, whereas he wud prob shove it if I opened 2.2x.....
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Do you ever raise to induce? - 5 handed, at 100/200, and you have 2k on the button with JJ and then AKs in the very same position the following orbit.
I just jam........I think maybe I'm missing a trick.
7/7 today neway
2) This is an excellent question and I do believe a lot of money hinges on it. Having done both in the past I now never raise to induce a shove with these hands I just shove. I think it's better to let your oppenents make a mistake rather than risk making one yourself.
The key to cashing in dyms is survival not winning.Using the early levels to accumulate chips without risking your stack too much trying to get to the magic number.
The magic number is 3000.This is the average stack size when on the bubble.So if you are near to or above this figure then you will be sat nicely to get your cash.
When approaching the bubble try to avoid clashing with the big stacks and use this time to attack the middle size stacks as they are the most likely to fold easily.
When raising into someone later on make sure you take into mind their stack size to see if they will feel committed to the pot regardless of their cards.
And leave this one for specific hands?
Im the one that's asking for help, so what would be easier for you guys to follow?????
I particuarly wanna ask about this point of a "magic number" .......I'll wait and see what people say, and pick up on it in the meantime......
But for now I have a couple of hands against the same player......A bad one.....
Hand 1
I have notes that this guy is bad.
Played him in another game today, and he min raised the button un-opened with J7o, at 15/30, didnt c bet the flop, then stabbed at it on the turn.
Bit of a strange situation, I'm 20xbb deep, but I don't really want to 3 bet/call......(I'm never 3b folding). I don't really wanna call and see a flop either.
Is a fold too tight?
The HH shows what I did, I just jammed it all in.........
Thoughts?
Ugh this one just makes me feel sick when I look back at it.
Same villain. I've flopped quite well from the bb, and bet it.....
If I check fold this spot is it too tight????
There's hardly any flop/turn play in these, so when I get in a spot like this I'm pretty clueless.
In cash/normal MTT - it's going in, im leading and snap calling it off, with the eq I have in the hand.
So...
Check fold?
Check call?
Bet fold?
Bet call?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHH Big blind 200.00 200.00 1930.00 Your hole cards 7 8 pieman6623 Fold 18AND5TIME Fold darryl1976 Call 200.00 400.00 2603.75 MASEACE Call 200.00 600.00 2132.50 DOHHHHHHH Check Flop 4 5 8 DOHHHHHHH Bet 450.00 1050.00 1480.00 darryl1976 Fold MASEACE Raise 900.00 1950.00 1232.50 DOHHHHHHH
Thanx
Re 5 PM hands:
The first one is pretty horrible like you say and I think what you've done is fine against a player you believe to be considerably weak. I'm guessing you don't trust him to lay down his marginal hands to a 3 bet and I think I make the same play as you. Against other players, I think there is room to 3 bet/fold here.
The second hand I like the way you've played it, that flop figures to have hit you way harder than anyone else. Perhaps you could bet half the pot here I don't know, I'm usually a 3/4 man myself but half looks ok for this spot. Got to lay it down to the min raise I'm afraid mate in my opinion. Regarding your other options, you can't call it off I don't think, I hate check/folding this flop when it's so obviously all yours so the only other option for me is check/calling but I think you end up doing more chips with the worse hand here.
JC