2nd one: Pre-flop: I think 3 bet/folding is a good play vs a decent player but given your reads I don't think you can do that here. So, if you 3 bet, you have to call a 4 bet shove, which is pretty ugly imo. But I can't fold the hand I don't think. For me, then, the 2nd best option is to flat call. But like you said you're almost certain you're infront and could well be dominating. So I would 3 bet shove here I think. It's pretty ugly as well but with a very tight player in the BB and your reads on the villain I think it's a pretty safe move.
As played it's a horrible spot and would depend on my exact feelings about the situation. You mentioned his range but can it include mid pps as well? Are there other hands he can now fold? If the answer to these is generally yes, then I'd be inclined to stick it in with some equity. If it's a definate no, and his range plus your other reads means he's calling a redic amount here (say 80+ percent of the time) I would reluctantly check it back and hope to hit the J or A (stack off with the A as well).
1st one: I don't actually think that's a coq up. The thing you have running through your head is 100% correct imo (barring some gross misinterpration - which I don't think this hand can be classed as). You still have fold equity in that spot in my opinion, a massive hand, and an obvious steal from someone who's been doing plenty already. Ship it 100% of the time, looks like a great spot to increase your position in the game.
£5.50 readless this is standard right? or would you slow down on flop if your gut was saying he has made straight. obviously he can have overpairs here and lower sets auto stack of innit
OK, now this is a rarity.. me getting a nit fold correct. I bet properly on the turn and i was suspicious when he just flatted flop on that board, so I assumed he had me crushed, and he kindly showed the nuts, wiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Hi Just wanted some opinion on this hand in a recent £5 DYM as I,ve spotted some very good DYM players giving advice on here
didn,t really have any reads as i was to busy reading this thread although the raiser had been pretty quiet and the Big stck to my right was away _ i had about 2,500 at this stage
To tight or played it right? ( I did go onto cash but want to know if this was right for the long run) -Cheers
Hi Just wanted some opinion on this hand in a recent £5 DYM as I,ve spotted some very good DYM players giving advice on here didn,t really have any reads as i was to busy reading this thread although the raiser had been pretty quiet and the Big stck to my right was away _ i had about 2,500 at this stage To tight or played it right? ( I did go onto cash but want to know if this was right for the long run) -Cheers Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance DocG Small blind 75.00 75.00 4705.00 121285 Big blind 150.00 225.00 1940.00 Your hole cards J J chauni1990 Raise 300.00 525.00 1207.50 ironwater Fold MP33 Fold DocG Fold 121285 Fold chauni1990 Muck chauni1990 Win 375.00 1582.50 chauni1990 Return 150.00 0.00 1732.50 Posted by MP33
Wooooooaaaahh
Far to tight. You said yourself the big stack was away.. this should give you more of a chance to ship it all in.
I mean a min raise UTG with his size staclk.. You really think his hands that strong? To me that looks like a small suited ace, the min raise in a DYM in that position to me suggest weakness rather than strength.
In Response to Re: Dym thread - Mon Morning. : Wooooooaaaahh Far to tight. You said yourself the big stack was away.. this should give you more of a chance to ship it all in. I mean a min raise UTG with his size staclk.. You really think his hands that strong? To me that looks like a small suited ace, the min raise in a DYM in that position to me suggest weakness rather than strength. Hope this helps. Posted by HartshorN
Could well have been - the big stack did come back after a while.
My thinking was that I didnt need to risk any chips and should still cash
Just played a £3 DYM and this is what you want when your the low stack on the bubbble
I also think that re-shipping it in is best here although I do think it's pretty marginal. I would be quite worried about the min raise utg from a tight player. However, without a specific read, and with him covered by 1000 chips, plus the fact that there's no cheaper way to find out where you are, I think re-shipping all-in here is going to be the best play in the long run.
Right move, wrong opponent. Readless of the individual (but know he's a big bully stack) it's a shove all day long. Against that player I'm not shoving that stack with someone else on less chips on the bubble. You're just getting called too much for me to like it (yes sometimes your ahead or more likely in a race situation, but as you know we're trying to get uncontested pots).
Second AQ: If I'm playing the hand I'm shoving. I know the stack size is ugly but any meaningful raise is pretty much committing us so if I'm in, I'm in all the way especially with the reads you have given. But again, don't want a call.
MP33 i would reship JJ hand but dont know ur chipstack but shouldnt really matter tbf( i have seen ur stack in ur comments and still think shove 2nd hand is standard fold dont even know why u posted? no offence tho Posted by YOUNG_GUN
As dohhh said above. just wish every DYM was that easy
As for the JJ i agree with johnconner in that it was very marginal, but the last thing i wanted to do was double him up . It is also a tough one as the big stack to my left was away but kept coming back then being away again - obv disconnection problems
I,d like to see what the analyst/analysts say on the poker clinic show as the general opinion on here is to ship but i,m still not convinced
edit - i am now also desperate to see what he was holding - Hand History #362249537
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On the bubble, the short stack is an 1diot, not a total plonker, but he's spewed off a winning position.....
The big stack has been putting pressure on for the last few hands.
I always have in my head the phrase "try and stay ahead of the game"
I think that cost me here......
Leyther has around 1.2k
The villain in this hand is a total plonker. Really bad/spewy, and plays far far too loose.
My problem here is my stack size.
I've no doubt I've got the best hand most of the time, he probably has 2 picture cards, a suited J9,J8 Q9 maybe, summat like that....
I'm 20xbb deep and he opens 2x.....
Should I raise, call, fold or shove???
I think all 4 options are open to me here?
On the flop I think it smacks his range in the face, and I guess I have to check behind and hope to turn a straight?
Are you raising to call a shove?
Also leaves you in a very tricky spot should you miss - like this!
Re 2 AQ hands:
2nd one: Pre-flop: I think 3 bet/folding is a good play vs a decent player but given your reads I don't think you can do that here. So, if you 3 bet, you have to call a 4 bet shove, which is pretty ugly imo. But I can't fold the hand I don't think. For me, then, the 2nd best option is to flat call. But like you said you're almost certain you're infront and could well be dominating. So I would 3 bet shove here I think. It's pretty ugly as well but with a very tight player in the BB and your reads on the villain I think it's a pretty safe move.
As played it's a horrible spot and would depend on my exact feelings about the situation. You mentioned his range but can it include mid pps as well? Are there other hands he can now fold? If the answer to these is generally yes, then I'd be inclined to stick it in with some equity. If it's a definate no, and his range plus your other reads means he's calling a redic amount here (say 80+ percent of the time) I would reluctantly check it back and hope to hit the J or A (stack off with the A as well).
1st one: I don't actually think that's a coq up. The thing you have running through your head is 100% correct imo (barring some gross misinterpration - which I don't think this hand can be classed as). You still have fold equity in that spot in my opinion, a massive hand, and an obvious steal from someone who's been doing plenty already. Ship it 100% of the time, looks like a great spot to increase your position in the game.
JC
£5.50 readless this is standard right? or would you slow down on flop if your gut was saying he has made straight. obviously he can have overpairs here and lower sets auto stack of innit
OK, now this is a rarity.. me getting a nit fold correct. I bet properly on the turn and i was suspicious when he just flatted flop on that board, so I assumed he had me crushed, and he kindly showed the nuts, wiiiiiiiiiiiiii
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemkgunner Small blind 10.00 10.00 1970.00 JingleMa Big blind 20.00 30.00 2000.00 Your hole cards K K SPRING29 Raise 40.00 70.00 1960.00 deanwhit04 Fold sailo Fold GREGHOGG Raise 120.00 190.00 1900.00 mkgunner Fold JingleMa Fold SPRING29 Call 80.00 270.00 1880.00 Flop 9 10 7 SPRING29 Check GREGHOGG Bet 140.00 410.00 1760.00 SPRING29 Call 140.00 550.00 1740.00 Turn 2 SPRING29 Check GREGHOGG Bet 360.00 910.00 1400.00 SPRING29 Raise 720.00 1630.00 1020.00 GREGHOGG Fold SPRING29 Show J 8 SPRING29 Win 1270.00 2290.00 SPRING29 Return 360.00 0.00 2650.00
The timer went down almost to the end and i hated doing it.. But i thought through the hand and sigh called.
And It was correct, wiiiiiiiiiiiii.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceZEBARON Small blind 10.00 10.00 1990.00 budgirl Big blind 20.00 30.00 1960.00 Your hole cards K A GREGHOGG Raise 80.00 110.00 1910.00 CHILLIE Fold Clobo Fold porter1989 Fold ZEBARON Call 70.00 180.00 1920.00 budgirl Fold Flop 10 K 7 ZEBARON Check GREGHOGG Bet 80.00 260.00 1830.00 ZEBARON Call 80.00 340.00 1840.00 Turn 4 ZEBARON Check GREGHOGG Bet 200.00 540.00 1630.00 ZEBARON Call 200.00 740.00 1640.00 River 5 ZEBARON All-in 1640.00 2380.00 0.00 GREGHOGG All-in 1630.00 4010.00 0.00 ZEBARON Unmatched bet 10.00 4000.00 10.00 ZEBARON Show J Q GREGHOGG Show K A GREGHOGG Win Pair of Kings 4000.00 4000.00
Just wanted some opinion on this hand in a recent £5 DYM as I,ve spotted some very good DYM players giving advice on here
didn,t really have any reads as i was to busy reading this thread although the raiser had been pretty quiet and the Big stck to my right was away _ i had about 2,500 at this stage
To tight or played it right? ( I did go onto cash but want to know if this was right for the long run) -Cheers
Far to tight. You said yourself the big stack was away.. this should give you more of a chance to ship it all in.
I mean a min raise UTG with his size staclk.. You really think his hands that strong? To me that looks like a small suited ace, the min raise in a DYM in that position to me suggest weakness rather than strength.
Hope this helps.
Could well have been - the big stack did come back after a while.
My thinking was that I didnt need to risk any chips and should still cash
Just played a £3 DYM and this is what you want when your the low stack on the bubbble
I also think that re-shipping it in is best here although I do think it's pretty marginal. I would be quite worried about the min raise utg from a tight player. However, without a specific read, and with him covered by 1000 chips, plus the fact that there's no cheaper way to find out where you are, I think re-shipping all-in here is going to be the best play in the long run.
2nd hand is standard fold dont even know why u posted? no offence tho
Your first Monday Morning AQ:
Right move, wrong opponent. Readless of the individual (but know he's a big bully stack) it's a shove all day long. Against that player I'm not shoving that stack with someone else on less chips on the bubble. You're just getting called too much for me to like it (yes sometimes your ahead or more likely in a race situation, but as you know we're trying to get uncontested pots).
Second AQ: If I'm playing the hand I'm shoving. I know the stack size is ugly but any meaningful raise is pretty much committing us so if I'm in, I'm in all the way especially with the reads you have given. But again, don't want a call.
As for the JJ i agree with johnconner in that it was very marginal, but the last thing i wanted to do was double him up . It is also a tough one as the big stack to my left was away but kept coming back then being away again - obv disconnection problems
I,d like to see what the analyst/analysts say on the poker clinic show as the general opinion on here is to ship but i,m still not convinced
edit - i am now also desperate to see what he was holding - Hand History #362249537