taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

The_Don90 · September 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Take up knitting then?
Posted by GREGHOGG

life long dream of being a gamer may try my hand at that again.

GELDY · September 2011

Don, you have o find a way to disconnect yourself emotionally. Given your prolific output here and in the clinic it is clear that you focus incredibly on your hands (which is really good), but then almost take it personally when it goes wrong (which is not).

Maybe you should try playing for a week / 2 days / 1 day maybe - without putting a single hand or comment about a hand up, and see if this helps you feel it less as you will be talking about it less - just give an end of period update - good things only.

I have the opposite problem and have been playing higher stakes recently to feel more pain from the variance to make me focus more. Vice-versa I would suggest you stay at NL4 because you can definitely prosper at that level, whereas one bad day at higher stakes might put you on tilt again.

Best of luck

DOHHHHHHH · September 2011

Good news, the Don is making a comeback to nl4 very shortly, less than 24 hours after announcing his retirement.

Lets hope he goes well tonight or it might be de ja vu later this evening.

MON THE DON

The_Don90 · September 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Good news, the Don is making a comeback to nl4 very shortly, less than 24 hours after announcing his retirement. Lets hope he goes well tonight or it might be de ja vu later this evening. MON THE DON
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

After a long discussion with JJ i think i may have been a little quick to judge. stilll wary of the whole variance thing. but we shall see.

stokefc · September 2011

better than crossroads this,keep it up

The_Don90 · September 2011

Day 12

I really needed a good session today. Just one to get some confidence back. And i got what the doctor ordered.
Some hands.

OK just one losing hand, and i dont think i done anything wrong here. Opponent played it so weird i said WTF when cards where shown to myself. Standard.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
chandley	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.56
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£11.06
	Your hole cards	A Q
GREGHOGG	Fold
dominich03	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.53
chapman02	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£0.22
sargeant05	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£1.48
chandley	Call		£0.02	£0.20	£4.54
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.52	£10.74
dominich03	Call		£0.32	£0.84	£4.21
chapman02	All-in		£0.22	£1.06	£0.00
sargeant05	Call		£0.32	£1.38	£1.16
chandley	Call		£0.32	£1.70	£4.22
Flop
		A 4 J
chandley	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.70	£3.40	£9.04
dominich03	Call		£1.70	£5.10	£2.51
sargeant05	Fold
chandley	Fold
Turn
		8
The_Don90	All-in		£9.04	£14.14	£0.00
dominich03	All-in		£2.51	£16.65	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£6.53	£10.12	£6.53
The_Don90	Show	A Q
dominich03	Show	A K
chapman02	Show	7 6
River
		5
chapman02	Win	Straight to the 8	£1.20		£1.20
dominich03	Win	Pair of Aces	£8.16		£8.16

However winning hands where common

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SAUS	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.96
chandley	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.48
	Your hole cards	A A
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.74
GREGHOGG	Fold
dominich03	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£8.30
MADCOWMAN	Fold
SAUS	Fold
chandley	Fold
Flop
		3 6 9
The_Don90	Bet		£0.46	£0.92	£3.28
dominich03	Raise		£0.92	£1.84	£7.38
The_Don90	All-in		£3.28	£5.12	£0.00
dominich03	Call		£2.82	£7.94	£4.56
The_Don90	Show	A A
dominich03	Show	9 K
Turn
		J
River
		5
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Aces	£7.34		£7.34

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£7.64
GREGHOGG	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.81
	Your hole cards	K J
dominich03	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.52
MADCOWMAN	Fold
SAUS	Fold
chandley	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.32
The_Don90	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£7.62
GREGHOGG	Check
Flop
		4 10 8
The_Don90	Check
GREGHOGG	Check
dominich03	Bet		£0.04	£0.20	£4.48
chandley	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£0.24	£7.58
GREGHOGG	Fold
Turn
		J
The_Don90	Check
dominich03	Bet		£0.24	£0.48	£4.24
The_Don90	Call		£0.24	£0.72	£7.34
River
		A
The_Don90	Check
dominich03	Bet		£0.72	£1.44	£3.52
The_Don90	All-in		£7.34	£8.78	£0.00
dominich03	All-in		£3.52	£12.30	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£3.10	£9.20	£3.10
The_Don90	Show	K J
dominich03	Show	7 9
The_Don90	Win	Flush to the Ace	£8.51		£11.61

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
sargeant05	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.81
chandley	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.92
	Your hole cards	6 6
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.46
dominich03	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£8.86
33allin	Fold
sargeant05	Fold
chandley	Check
Flop
		K 6 Q
chandley	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.14	£0.28	£6.32
dominich03	Fold
chandley	All-in		£3.92	£4.20	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£3.78	£7.98	£2.54
chandley	Show	6 K
The_Don90	Show	6 6
Turn
		8
River
		5
The_Don90	Win	Three 6s	£7.38		£9.92

there a few more winning hands but wont bore you. like abve they all pretty standard.

Closing Balance: £83.26

Really needed this session today. recovered some of that brutal session from last night and reminded myself what NL4 is all about. Still need to grips with the variance thing but i think that might just be hardcoded into me.

sillymunch · September 2011

ok so the way varience works is as follows, if you have the best hand and you are raising and get called, and yet they are drawing to theres and decide to risk it, if its a inside straight they have 16% chance of hitting so 1 in 10 times they will hit, so 1 in 10 you will lose but 9 times out of 10 you will win.

A flush draw usually is about 36% chance, thats nearly 1 in 3 times you will lose and 2 in 3 times you win

to get outdrawn after the flop its about 12% chance, so your gonna lose again 1 in 10, but your winning 9/10

This is where varience comes into play, if your making the right choices statistically, then you are gonna win more then you lose, but you will lose at times, if you let it get to you then your gonna get put on tilt where your making bad calls and so you lose more then you should, when this happens go take a break and come back when your in the mood for poker.

I say this message because your one of the first people that i heard about when i joined up to sky poker, and you seem to be having a tough time but from what i hear people have a lot of respect for you, so keep making the right plays, and statistically you cant lose

The_Don90 · September 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

ok so the way varience works is as follows, if you have the best hand and you are raising and get called, and yet they are drawing to theres and decide to risk it, if its a inside straight they have 16% chance of hitting so 1 in 10 times they will hit, so 1 in 10 you will lose but 9 times out of 10 you will win. A flush draw usually is about 36% chance, thats nearly 1 in 3 times you will lose and 2 in 3 times you win to get outdrawn after the flop its about 12% chance, so your gonna lose again 1 in 10, but your winning 9/10 This is where varience comes into play, if your making the right choices statistically, then you are gonna win more then you lose, but you will lose at times, if you let it get to you then your gonna get put on tilt where your making bad calls and so you lose more then you should, when this happens go take a break and come back when your in the mood for poker. I say this message because your one of the first people that i heard about when i joined up to sky poker, and you seem to be having a tough time but from what i hear people have a lot of respect for you, so keep making the right plays, and statistically you cant lose
Posted by sillymunch

really?

also ty. the problem i have is i struggle to dea with losing. comes with years of winning at football and gaming. serious issue. i even get rattled if some guy comes up behind and stabs my caracter on cod.

sillymunch · September 2011

lol dont worry your not the only one

i hate it too, thats why we take a break, we need to take ourselves away from it, because you get annoyed that villain has taken your chips on a bad beat, then you start to make dodgy calls just cus its him, and you end up losing even more to said person, so for your own sake its best to leave the table forget about it and take your money away from him when its not at the forefront of your mind.

Thats what i do

and if you been keeping an eye on the monthly profit one, you might notice im constantly changing mine, if i take a big loss on the cash tables i go away come back and play a SnG or something, i never try to go back to the same table cus my table image is going to be poor, unless it was a seriously bad beat

YES really lol, if i can remember the words that were used "he is the Legend of the NL4 tables xD

The_Don90 · September 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

lol dont worry your not the only one i hate it too, thats why we take a break, we need to take ourselves away from it, because you get annoyed that villain has taken your chips on a bad beat, then you start to make dodgy calls just cus its him, and you end up losing even more to said person, so for your own sake its best to leave the table forget about it and take your money away from him when its not at the forefront of your mind. Thats what i do and if you been keeping an eye on the monthly profit one, you might notice im constantly changing mine, if i take a big loss on the cash tables i go away come back and play a SnG or something, i never try to go back to the same table cus my table image is going to be poor, unless it was a seriously bad beat YES really lol, if i can remember the words that were used "he is the Legend of the NL4 tables xD
Posted by sillymunch

may i ask who said this?

I was expecting something along the lines of u seen my tv interview from SPT or one of my UKIPT blogs lo.

sillymunch · September 2011

i dunno, i just checked, and it was Black Mass whoever that is xD

The_Don90 · September 2011

Day 12 - update

Done another nightly session. was a\ losing one but not too much damage done, dont feel i done too much wrong either. just a few standard hands

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JINTY	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£6.01
staples27	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.02
	Your hole cards	J J
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£5.00
dare2w1n	Fold
monster74	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£1.40
JINTY	Fold
staples27	All-in		£1.02	£1.48	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£5.00	£6.48	£0.00
monster74	Fold
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£4.14	£2.34	£4.14
staples27	Show	4 K
The_Don90	Show	J J
Flop
		4 5 4
Turn
		6
River
		10
staples27	Win	Three 4s	£2.16		£2.16

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
daz69	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£13.40
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.90
	Your hole cards	A J
Somporn	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£2.57
daz69	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£3.78
Flop
		J 5 7
The_Don90	Check
Somporn	Bet		£0.17	£0.51	£2.40
The_Don90	Raise		£0.85	£1.36	£2.93
Somporn	All-in		£2.40	£3.76	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.72	£5.48	£1.21
The_Don90	Show	A J
Somporn	Show	Q Q
Turn
		2
River
		10
Somporn	Win	Pair of Queens	£5.06		£5.06

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JINTY	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£7.14
staples27	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.46
	Your hole cards	A A
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£5.71
dare2w1n	Fold
monster74	Fold
JINTY	Call		£0.18	£0.44	£6.96
staples27	All-in		£1.46	£1.90	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£5.71	£7.61	£0.00
JINTY	Fold
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£4.41	£3.20	£4.41
staples27	Show	A Q
The_Don90	Show	A A
Flop
		J 9 2
Turn
		J
River
		5
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	£2.96		£7.37

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.02
BambiBus	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.45
	Your hole cards	J J
The_Don90	Raise		£0.18	£0.24	£3.84
BambiBus	Call		£0.16	£0.40	£1.29
Flop
		7 2 J
BambiBus	Bet		£0.40	£0.80	£0.89
The_Don90	Raise		£0.80	£1.60	£3.04
BambiBus	All-in		£0.89	£2.49	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£0.49	£2.98	£2.55
The_Don90	Show	J J
BambiBus	Show	9 A
Turn
		5
River
		6
The_Don90	Win	Three Jacks	£2.75		£5.30

closing balance: £79.24

A buy in and a tad down is nothing to be consearned about i felt i made the correct desisions all round. And that makes a differance. I feel i could have broke a profit at the time but looking back at HH i dont think i could have given the cards, and the lack of a good table selection (i was on all 4 NL4 tables running and not many fish on any).

harding10 · September 2011

Glad to see you back out there last night Don, stick at it!!!

)

sillymunch · September 2011

xD the perfect example of varience is right here see that hand where you did AA v AQ

well last night i had exactly the same hand,

I raised big, she pushed all in, i happily called

Flop was 2 4 8 rainbow

Turn was Q

River was Q

LOL glad to see you was on the winning side of that hand though

MP33 · September 2011

Just had a cpl of hours on the NL10 - 3-4 tabling - gonna carry on posting to try and give myself an incentive as i,ve not been in the mood to play much recently

On this hand I really thought the river bet would push him off a lot of hands as he was pretty passive and felt he had to put a bet in on river as he,d missed - Didn,t want to fire on a bet on the flop due to so many players but maybe cudda raised turn , but looking back at it I don,t think i did to much wrong

That was the only hand over £3 loss tho and ended almost a buy-in up

BR £150
BR £249.84 ( Not received my £30 cfp yet but will add it to my BR when i do )

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheRat1	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£3.49
cougar26	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£13.17
	Your hole cards	A 8
0117965	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£11.79
SAUSAGE31	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£32.53
goody2sh29	Call		£0.40	£1.05	£10.94
MP33	Call		£0.40	£1.45	£9.10
TheRat1	Fold
cougar26	Call		£0.30	£1.75	£12.87
0117965	Call		£0.30	£2.05	£11.49
Flop
		K 5 4
cougar26	Check
0117965	Check
SAUSAGE31	Check
goody2sh29	Check
MP33	Check
Turn
		9
cougar26	Check
0117965	Check
SAUSAGE31	Bet		£0.80	£2.85	£31.73
goody2sh29	Fold
MP33	Call		£0.80	£3.65	£8.30
cougar26	Fold
0117965	Fold
River
		10
SAUSAGE31	Bet		£2.50	£6.15	£29.23
MP33	All-in		£8.30	£14.45	£0.00
SAUSAGE31	Call		£5.80	£20.25	£23.43
SAUSAGE31	Show	Q J
MP33	Show	A 8
SAUSAGE31	Win	Straight to the King	£18.85		£42.28

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Sneapy	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.05
MP33	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.80
	Your hole cards	Q K
GEMO	Fold
blue1914	Raise		£0.50	£0.65	£6.06
mumatista	Fold
koliu4iy	Fold
Sneapy	Fold
MP33	Call		£0.40	£1.05	£8.40
Flop
		7 10 8
MP33	Check
blue1914	Bet		£0.79	£1.84	£5.27
MP33	Raise		£2.11	£3.95	£6.29
blue1914	All-in		£5.27	£9.22	£0.00
MP33	Call		£3.95	£13.17	£2.34
MP33	Show	Q K
blue1914	Show	10 10
Turn
		K
River
		5
blue1914	Win	Three 10s	£12.18		£12.18

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MP33	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£18.99
blue1914	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.70
	Your hole cards	K K
Everton76	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£3.11
xxxx	Raise		£0.30	£0.55	£8.40
shunter	Call		£0.30	£0.85	£75.40
MP33	Raise		£0.85	£1.70	£18.14
blue1914	Fold
Everton76	Call		£0.80	£2.50	£2.31
xxx	Call		£0.60	£3.10	£7.80
shunter	Call		£0.60	£3.70	£74.80
Flop
		7 Q 7
MP33	Bet		£1.85	£5.55	£16.29
Everton76	Fold
xxxx	Call		£1.85	£7.40	£5.95
shunter	Fold
Turn
		3
MP33	Bet		£3.70	£11.10	£12.59
xxx	Call		£3.70	£14.80	£2.25
River
		2
MP33	Check
xxx	All-in		£2.25	£17.05	£0.00
MP33	Call		£2.25	£19.30	£10.34
MP33	Show	K K
xxx	Show	2 2
xxxx	Win	Full House, 2s and 7s	£17.90		£17.90

MP33 · September 2011

Thought i might have to drop back to NL4 after losing 3 buy ins after a quick 5am session

Not sure if i could have done much different here apart from a call on the river but i thought i had the 3rd person in pot beaten and went for the lot, thinking i,d get something back at least

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
huddy09	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£5.78
MP33	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.77
	Your hole cards	J 10
blue1914	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£31.84
pamlu	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£8.38
koliu4iy	Fold
huddy09	Call		£0.35	£1.00	£5.43
MP33	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£8.47
blue1914	Fold
Flop
		Q K 9
huddy09	Check
MP33	Bet		£0.65	£1.95	£7.82
pamlu	Call		£0.65	£2.60	£7.73
huddy09	Call		£0.65	£3.25	£4.78
Turn
		8
huddy09	Check
MP33	Bet		£2.20	£5.45	£5.62
pamlu	Call		£2.20	£7.65	£5.53
huddy09	Call		£2.20	£9.85	£2.58
River
		K
huddy09	All-in		£2.58	£12.43	£0.00
MP33	Raise		£5.16	£17.59	£0.46
pamlu	Fold
MP33	Unmatched bet		£2.58	£15.01	£3.04
huddy09	Show	A 6
MP33	Show	J 10
huddy09	Win	Flush to the Ace	£13.88		£13.88

I don,t normally post this many hands but had forgotton about a cpl of these until I went to bed and it was doing my head in trying to work out where the erlier losses had come from so got up and went further to 3 hours previous on hand history - Only thought i,d been on for 2 - time flies

This one I shudda called instead of raising again and trying to get it all

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MP33	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£14.18
blue1914	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£9.00
	Your hole cards	4 5
ngoochie	Fold
Everton76	Fold
pppompey22	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£5.68
shunter	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£53.26
MP33	Raise		£0.35	£0.70	£13.83
blue1914	Fold
pppompey22	Fold
shunter	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£52.96
Flop
		5 2 3
MP33	Bet		£0.30	£1.30	£13.53
shunter	Call		£0.30	£1.60	£52.66
Turn
		6
MP33	Check
shunter	Bet		£0.80	£2.40	£51.86
MP33	Raise		£1.60	£4.00	£11.93
shunter	Raise		£1.60	£5.60	£50.26
MP33	Raise		£4.00	£9.60	£7.93
shunter	All-in		£50.26	£59.86	£0.00
MP33	All-in		£7.93	£67.79	£0.00
shunter	Unmatched bet		£39.13	£28.66	£39.13
MP33	Show	4 5
shunter	Show	8 4
River
		7
shunter	Win	Straight to the 8	£27.26		£66.39

MP33 · September 2011

In this one the guy was playing most hands and chasing everything in sight , but I don,t think i played it optimally and shouldn,t have let him get to the river - still harsh tho

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MP33	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£16.99
blue1914	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£3.87
	Your hole cards	J A
i8yourmum	Fold
nizzy367	Fold
xxx	Raise		£0.40	£0.55	£6.89
MP33	Call		£0.35	£0.90	£16.64
blue1914	Fold
Flop
		Q 3 A
MP33	Check
xxx	Bet		£0.40	£1.30	£6.49
MP33	Raise		£0.80	£2.10	£15.84
xxx	Call		£0.40	£2.50	£6.09
Turn
		Q
MP33	Bet		£1.20	£3.70	£14.64
xxx	Call		£1.20	£4.90	£4.89
River
		6
MP33	Check
xxx	Bet		£3.30	£8.20	£1.59
MP33	Call		£3.30	£11.50	£11.34
xxx	Show	4 7
MP33	Muck	J A
xxx	Win	Flush to the Ace	£10.63		£12.22

Ground it back tho to finish over a buy in up

BR £150
BR £266.14

The_Don90 · September 2011

TJ hand i pot it on turn. Might often overbet, way hes played it he still calls.

Dudeskin8 · September 2011

Jeez your pretty loose MP33.....

A8 first hand just fold imo

KQ pre ok, not sure about flop raise then call off on draw seems gambly to me.

KK bet more on flop and turn but unlucky,

J10 I personally don't like call OOP, also this is why you should top up ALL THE TIME, flop I bet more about 90p,turn bet slightly more, river call not sure probably ok with what you've put in.

45s can't really see the point in rasing smallish OOP just call and see cheap flop, 30p bet is too small at least 65p for me, unlucky again.

AJ pre ok, flop I don't understand check then minraise surely better to just call down, turn bigger if you put him on draw, river not sure again I probably fold.

Lambert180 · September 2011

Yeah Dudeskin summed up what I was gonna say...they're some mighty loose calls pre!

45, A8, JT, just throw em away unless you get a free flop.

taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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