taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

DOHHHHHHH

I suggested that Don play that MTT, it wasn't "instead" of playing cash, it was alongside the grind.

I'd always tell BR builders to spend as much time grinding as poss, but if they're confident they can play an MTT alongside cash (Don said he was) then it's a very good idea to take shots at vvvv weak tournys.

It was a £5.50, £200 gtd tourny, not gonna break the bank, and Don was easily in the top 5% of players, IMO.....

No reason at all why he should have seperate bankrolls, I don't understand that theory at all tbh.

Doesn't matter if he'd won it, or bust first hand, I'd encourage him to play it again, coz it's soft as sh!t (as long as he's rolled btw)

Nice result, play as much as u can while the momentum is in your favour.

And don't quit unless u go broke.

Dudeskin8

Reason I split them is I like to have cash as one sole focus and would rather it not be affected by constant MTT entries where you often are always losing and win rarely. Obvz with a £392 cash roll I'm fine for MTT's up to £3.30 but I have a seperate roll at about £370 for them and just like it that way lol

If I get to NL20+ at any stage then I might consider merging them but only once I am consistent at the level for like 20k+ hands and then go in for regular £11 MTT's but that is pretty longterm goal.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Reason I split them is I like to have cash as one sole focus and would rather it not be affected by constant MTT entries where you often are always losing and win rarely. Obvz with a £392 cash roll I'm fine for MTT's up to £3.30 but I have a seperate roll at about £370 for them and just like it that way lol If I get to NL20+ at any stage then I might consider merging them but only once I am consistent at the level for like 20k+ hands and then go in for regular £11 MTT's but that is pretty longterm goal.
Posted by Dudeskin8

U have £800 to play poker with and ur @ nl10 on sky???

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

That's worse than me!!!!

The_Don90

I dont seperate my BR fwiw. I said to Dohhhhh about withdrawing my winnings for this but he recommended i didnt. FWIW pod, all tourny wins over £100 i withdraw 50% and give 10% to charity. I also wont consider major tournament wins as enough to move up a level.

E.g. if i won the primo tomorrow id probably withdraw most of it. However i wouldnt move up to NL10 yet as i dont feel ive comfortably beat NL8. I had a pretty rough day today where i had problems with two opponents. Now both of these opponents i believe i have a massive edge on, and discussed different ways to play them with 2 or 3 different players privately. I did get mixed responces but in fairness it all added up to the same thing. Ill be much more confident in playing them with notes.

pod1

are you saying then jj, if he hits a good win in a mtt he should move up a level or 2 in cash??

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

are you saying then jj, if he hits a good win in a mtt he should move up a level or 2 in cash??
Posted by pod1

who don? 

Noooo, not at all, but that doesn't mean he can't play mtts

If I won the primo I wudnt jump up to 200nl.

Mind u, if I won the WSOP I prob still wudn't! :P

forum sng?

pod1

so you got to keep the to br apart then

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

so you got to keep the to br apart then
Posted by pod1

a mean it's all different m8, it's an individual thing. I've never met or spoke to Don in real life, but I talk to him on msn pretty much every day, I know what he's like with poker, inside out......

The general rules r exactly that, just general guidelines......

But it's different for each person.

If I was starting out from 40 quid like Don was, I wudnt touch a cash table till I got to £200, I'd b playing HU sngs......

But the best thing about having a bankroll, is being able to manage it. 

Now he has 25+ buy ins for nl8, and 40+ buy ins for nl4, he has options!

He never had those before.

Well chuffed for him, but he needs to realise the job is nowhere near done yet!

pod1

im chuffed for him as well, much better player than his br. just dont want him playing too higher level if he binks an mtt win

The_Don90

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

im chuffed for him as well, much better player than his br. just dont want him playing too higher level if he binks an mtt win
Posted by pod1

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink

I promise i wont move up after a primo bink



Well thats my lines done, i think its sunk in now.

FWIW i dont think im ready to move up yet anyways, hense the extra BR ive set for NL10 to make sure i stay at NL8 abit longer.

The_Don90

8th Oct

Night session

Another pretty hard session. But one ive taken alot from. I really struggled early and  a lack of hands, and when im getting them holding was also an issue. However im looking at the positives here. Again ive taken a tough session and grinded out. ok so i didnt finnish even break even but at one point i was 3.5BIs down, i recovered to just 1.5BIs down.


Anyways

Background on this hand. The villian had been at £33 not that long ago. He'd been seriously LAG and making a number of moves similar to this one. When he called my cbet i was pretty positive he was going to make a play like this and decided i was calling on any turn card. Turned out it was a pretty horrible one, but my gut served me well

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
k1ngstu	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£18.92
buckler07	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£3.19
	Your hole cards	Q Q
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£9.23
k1ngstu	Call		£0.28	£0.72	£18.64
buckler07	Fold
Flop
		3 J 2
k1ngstu	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.54	£1.26	£8.69
k1ngstu	Call		£0.54	£1.80	£18.10
Turn
		J
k1ngstu	All-in		£18.10	£19.90	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£8.69	£28.59	£0.00
k1ngstu	Unmatched bet		£9.41	£19.18	£9.41
k1ngstu	Show	9 10
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
River
		7
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks	£17.78		£17.78

On this hand i wasnt sure where i was so i felt flatting was right. looking back im not so sure.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
handyman	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£13.71
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.92
milne08	Big blind		£0.08	£0.20	£3.04
	Your hole cards	8 J
TopBluffer	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£8.73
fisheyboy1	Call		£0.08	£0.36	£12.23
milne08	Check
handyman	Call		£0.04	£0.40	£13.67
The_Don90	Check
Flop
		A Q J
handyman	Check
The_Don90	Check
TopBluffer	Check
fisheyboy1	Check
milne08	Check
Turn
		J
handyman	Bet		£0.16	£0.56	£13.51
The_Don90	Raise		£0.92	£1.48	£7.00
TopBluffer	Fold
fisheyboy1	Fold
milne08	Fold
handyman	Raise		£1.52	£3.00	£11.99
The_Don90	Call		£0.76	£3.76	£6.24
River
		8
handyman	Bet		£3.80	£7.56	£8.19
The_Don90	Call		£3.80	£11.36	£2.44
handyman	Show	10 K
The_Don90	Show	8 J
The_Don90	Win	Full House, Jacks and 8s	£10.54		£12.98

Easy game

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Paddy_Luck	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.67
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.96
	Your hole cards	Q Q
LethalBlow	Raise		£0.16	£0.28	£3.04
SINGA	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£18.92
philc8502	Fold
jcleggy24	Call		£0.16	£0.60	£15.24
Paddy_Luck	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.96	£1.56	£7.00
LethalBlow	All-in		£3.04	£4.60	£0.00
SINGA	Fold
jcleggy24	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£2.16	£6.76	£4.84
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
LethalBlow	Show	K J
Flop
		J 10 A
Turn
		8
River
		4
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Queens	£6.25		£11.09

First hand into session and not a great start here. The river felt so horrible but i know he holds worse aces, and bluffs in his range here.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jonlamb09	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.29
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.92
	Your hole cards	J A
GARAGE1	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£9.81
LA367	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£6.06
lordgee12	Call		£0.08	£0.36	£1.98
jonlamb09	Call		£0.04	£0.40	£9.25
The_Don90	Check
Flop
		7 K A
jonlamb09	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.30	£0.70	£7.62
GARAGE1	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£9.51
LA367	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£5.76
lordgee12	Fold
jonlamb09	Call		£0.30	£1.60	£8.95
Turn
		A
jonlamb09	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.20	£2.80	£6.42
GARAGE1	Fold
LA367	Call		£1.20	£4.00	£4.56
jonlamb09	Fold
River
		10
The_Don90	Check
LA367	All-in		£4.56	£8.56	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£4.56	£13.12	£1.86
The_Don90	Show	J A
LA367	Show	5 3
LA367	Win	Flush to the Ace	£12.13		£12.13

This hand pretty stupid but the villain was pretty crazy, bit of a misread but wasnt playing well due to frustration at this part of the session. This hand actually got me back on focus.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Pysterman	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£16.03
jcleggy24	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.52
	Your hole cards	7 7
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£7.68
longman912	Fold
SINGA	Fold
Pysterman	Fold
jcleggy24	Raise		£1.20	£1.64	£7.32
The_Don90	Call		£0.96	£2.60	£6.72
Flop
		5 3 6
jcleggy24	Bet		£2.60	£5.20	£4.72
The_Don90	Call		£2.60	£7.80	£4.12
Turn
		10
jcleggy24	All-in		£4.72	£12.52	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£4.12	£16.64	£0.00
jcleggy24	Unmatched bet		£0.60	£16.04	£0.60
jcleggy24	Show	9 9
The_Don90	Show	7 7
River
		Q
jcleggy24	Win	Pair of 9s	£14.83		£15.43

ummm, yeah enough said

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
notme389	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.75
longman912	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£11.24
Sunshine87	Sit out
	Your hole cards	J J
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£7.64
CATCH-22	Call		£0.32	£0.76	£8.03
ben170583	Call		£0.32	£1.08	£5.79
notme389	All-in		£8.75	£9.83	£0.00
longman912	Fold
The_Don90	All-in		£7.64	£17.47	£0.00
CATCH-22	Fold
ben170583	Fold
notme389	Unmatched bet		£0.83	£16.64	£0.83
notme389	Show	K A
The_Don90	Show	J J
Flop
		A 7 2
Turn
		7
River
		K
notme389	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	£15.39		£16.22

Closing Balance: £191.16

Didnt play well this session at all. Had visitors in while trying to play which didnt help.

Dudeskin8

QQ - You had your reads so fare play, I'd probably fold lol

J8 - You have a FH but a quite low one, might just flat myself.

QQ - nh

AJ - Flush did come in but he could have worse aces and think he's good.

77 - calling 96p to win £7.62 presumably you're looking for a set which is bad odds as you know, on flop he pot bets and same on turn, that's what I would do with AA/KK/QQ/JJ type hand so you're hoping he has overcards which seems risky to me even against a psycho.

JJ - run better.

DOHHHHHHH

I think you c/c too many rivers. 

rancid

no problem lumping a BI into a MTT.

Just keep the money bundled together but just keep a note on you cash BR within that, not that difficult.

The only seperation I have is my live BR, all my live winning just goes to the missus ! Well maybe not all of it
O darling I only won £40, 200 in my back pocket

Keep going Don and yeah them 250G are soft, just avoid the bad beats are you laughing

DrSharp

Your on my tail now Don. You'll soon go past me as you play far more than i do. Well done mate. NO TILTING! ;-D

How you finding NL8 compared to NL4?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Your on my tail now Don. You'll soon go past me as you play far more than i do. Well done mate. NO TILTING! ;-D How you finding NL8 compared to NL4?
Posted by DrSharp

Pretty much the same. Seems easier to get the stacks in tbh, and bumping into alot of guys id noted as NL4 regs. On thw whole however i think you find more laggy players, which i prefer anyways

The_Don90

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

QQ - You had your reads so fare play, I'd probably fold lol J8 - You have a FH but a quite low one, might just flat myself. QQ - nh AJ - Flush did come in but he could have worse aces and think he's good. 77 - calling 96p to win £7.62 presumably you're looking for a set which is bad odds as you know, on flop he pot bets and same on turn, that's what I would do with AA/KK/QQ/JJ type hand so you're hoping he has overcards which seems risky to me even against a psycho. JJ - run better.
Posted by Dudeskin8

complete frustration and tilt mate

Dudeskin8

Also sorry for nitting up some of ya tables yesterday just no NL10ers going lol

The_Don90

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Also sorry for nitting up some of ya tables yesterday just no NL10ers going lol
Posted by Dudeskin8

Not at all dude. I loaded up a single NL10 nitting that up while i waited for a NL8 table to open last night. In the end didnt play a single hand but was good for the notes.

The_Don90

9th Oct

Afternoon session

Tried a £2 primo sat . Never got going and buested with my strongest hand, although i played a total of 2 hand in that. However this didnt deter me from going onto the grind. It again started pretty badly. But about an hour in i went onto a 5 min heater. I rivered a flush, flopped 3 sets in 4 pairs. Although being brutally honest i had missed with my previous 20 pocket pairs.

Anyways hands

First hand, Epic start literally first hand

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mikie123	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.74
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.92
	Your hole cards	K K
chezzy196	Fold
92boi	Fold
pokelot	Raise		£0.40	£0.52	£3.22
MT_HAND	Fold
mikie123	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.60	£2.12	£6.32
pokelot	All-in		£3.22	£5.34	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.94	£7.28	£4.38
The_Don90	Show	K K
pokelot	Show	Q Q
Flop
		5 J Q
Turn
		6
River
		7
pokelot	Win	Three Queens	£6.73		£6.73

Loose call here but felt i was above range

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
metaflop	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.80
bloodyell	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£3.72
	Your hole cards	10 A
munchingfo	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£8.13
92boi	Fold
metaflop	Fold
bloodyell	All-in		£3.72	£4.16	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£3.48	£7.64	£4.65
bloodyell	Show	6 6
The_Don90	Show	10 A
Flop
		2 Q 3
Turn
		J
River
		2
bloodyell	Win	Two Pairs, 6s and 2s	£7.06		£7.06

 Overplaayed this, seemed a pretty safe flop.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheMaveric	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.91
flamingo	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.29
	Your hole cards	8 8
RAZRKEMP69	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£3.85
mikie123	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£3.25
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.60	£7.68
TheMaveric	Fold
flamingo	Fold
RAZRKEMP69	Call		£0.24	£0.84	£3.61
mikie123	Fold
Flop
		9 5 5
RAZRKEMP69	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.63	£1.47	£7.05
RAZRKEMP69	Raise		£2.73	£4.20	£0.88
The_Don90	Call		£2.10	£6.30	£4.95
Turn
		3
RAZRKEMP69	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£4.95	£11.25	£0.00
RAZRKEMP69	All-in		£0.88	£12.13	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£4.07	£8.06	£4.07
RAZRKEMP69	Show	9 9
The_Don90	Show	8 8
River
		10
RAZRKEMP69	Win	Full House, 9s and 5s	£7.45		£7.45

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rucnom31	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.80
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.92
dgw69	Sit out
	Your hole cards	K A
silentbob	Fold
rucnom31	Raise		£0.12	£0.24	£7.68
The_Don90	Raise		£0.40	£0.64	£7.52
rucnom31	Call		£0.32	£0.96	£7.36
Flop
		A 4 2
rucnom31	Bet		£0.12	£1.08	£7.24
The_Don90	Raise		£1.32	£2.40	£6.20
rucnom31	Call		£1.20	£3.60	£6.04
Turn
		K
rucnom31	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£2.70	£6.30	£3.50
rucnom31	Call		£2.70	£9.00	£3.34
River
		7
rucnom31	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£3.50	£12.50	£0.00
rucnom31	All-in		£3.34	£15.84	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.16	£15.68	£0.16
rucnom31	Show	A 8
The_Don90	Show	K A
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	£14.50		£14.66

This was a complete misclick pre. However post, with the KQ guy flatting down it was giving me the correct odds on both flop and turn. River then was magic.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.28
GoneSkint	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£13.80
wolvesf474	Big blind		£0.08	£0.20	£3.12
	Your hole cards	6 8
wolvesf474	Raise		£0.08	£0.28	£3.04
sascha2026	Raise		£0.24	£0.52	£12.38
ZEBEDEE459	Call		£0.24	£0.76	£6.74
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£0.96	£7.08
GoneSkint	Fold
wolvesf474	Call		£0.08	£1.04	£2.96
Flop
		4 9 K
The_Don90	Check
wolvesf474	Check
sascha2026	Bet		£1.04	£2.08	£11.34
ZEBEDEE459	Call		£1.04	£3.12	£5.70
The_Don90	Call		£1.04	£4.16	£6.04
wolvesf474	Fold
Turn
		3
The_Don90	Check
sascha2026	Bet		£2.08	£6.24	£9.26
ZEBEDEE459	Call		£2.08	£8.32	£3.62
The_Don90	Call		£2.08	£10.40	£3.96
River
		2
The_Don90	Check
sascha2026	Check
ZEBEDEE459	All-in		£3.62	£14.02	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£3.96	£17.98	£0.00
sascha2026	Fold
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.34	£17.64	£0.34
The_Don90	Show	6 8
ZEBEDEE459	Show	K Q
The_Don90	Win	Flush to the King	£16.31		£16.65

bink ty and goodnight

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
wolvesf474	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.02
flamingo	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.84
	Your hole cards	3 3
DinglyBob	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£4.87
The_Don90	Call		£0.24	£0.60	£16.29
GoneSkint	Fold
wolvesf474	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£2.82
flamingo	Call		£0.16	£0.96	£7.68
Flop
		3 Q 8
wolvesf474	Bet		£0.96	£1.92	£1.86
flamingo	Fold
DinglyBob	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£3.12	£5.04	£13.17
wolvesf474	All-in		£1.86	£6.90	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.30	£6.60	£13.47
wolvesf474	Show	K Q
The_Don90	Show	3 3
Turn
		Q
River
		4
The_Don90	Win	Full House, 3s and Queens	£6.10		£19.57

Closing Balance: £196.54

Decided before i started if i got above £195 id enter the semi for primo. As ive done that im going to take a crack. So actual balance is £184.54. This with the DTD tomorrow will also seperate the Cash money and MTT money i think while still keeping me comfortable at NL8.

NL8 does seem pretty much the same as NL4 still just with a few LAG players thrown into the mix. The more im playin the more im enjoying it. Starting to feel a little more comfortable playing and im taking a little bit from every single losing and winning pot. Really starting to detach from my emotions while playing cash which in previous attempts was a pretty major issue.