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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : GUKPT isnt bothering me. I have a friend whos been staking my UKIPT sats on that other site so hasnt effective me now. Although Sky roll means just cash atm will be starting tonight will playing the Bigger $11 tournament on another site. I have a few rolls but i cant merge em at the moment as im staked on the other 2
    Posted by The_Don90
    Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't know much about your success in MTTs but are you really good enough for people to think it's worthwhile staking you?

    I know you do have different accounts on different sites but I just thought you'd have a bigger bankroll and be a consistent player in the Sky main events, BH, Open, Primo, Roller etc if you were of that high a standard.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't know much about your success in MTTs but are you really good enough for people to think it's worthwhile staking you? I know you do have different accounts on different sites but I just thought you'd have a bigger bankroll and be a consistent player in the Sky main events, BH, Open, Primo, Roller etc if you were of that high a standard.
    Posted by Lambert180
    i play mostly 3000+ runner low stake tournaments with an ROI% of 285% on another site. Ive won HU winner takes all 128 runner tournaments as an example of probably my hardest.

    Also a direct link to my sharkscope graph. not the best but for 3000 runner top heavy prize pools pretty ok

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/graphhl.png/

    over 280 games btw.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2011
    Edit******

    DAY 1

    I challenge DOHHHHHHH to play HU 4 Rollz!
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Edit****** DAY 1 I challenge DOHHHHHHH to play HU 4 Rollz!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    u challenged me privately i made it public r u scared JJ?
  • pomfrittespomfrittes Member Posts: 2,981
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Day 1 Decided to start tomorrow instead. Day 2 4 tabled for an hour, lost 17 flips but broke even. Day 3 Logged on to sky but then heard about a freeroll sat into the Icelandic WSOP in Rekjavic so played that instead. Lost a flip on the bubble, and felt too tilted to play nl4 after. Day 4 BT cut me off, forgot the bill again! Day 18 Back r efreshed, been working at my game whilst away. Logged on to sky but nl4 was full of regs, so decided to give it a miss.  Will start again tomorrow. Day 19 Finally got a decent session in and played well. Made 2 buy ins playing solid ABC. Really feel like I'm starting to crack it. One guy got 100xbb in pre 4 different times with pocket 2's! I had an overpair every time and held all 4 times! This level is easy I dunno what all the fuss was about! lol Day 20 Had a shocking session, losing every 60/40 and getting coolered, lost 4 buy ins.  The pocket 2's guy was back again and got it in pre twice and held against my AK. I mean SERRIOUSLY, how can he not fold??? How can this level be beaten it's impossible, they just wont fold !!!!! Day 21 Decided to treat myself to a primo sat. Then another 1. Done most of my roll before finally qualifying. Bust to a 1 outer on the bubble, sooooo sick. Really feel I can compete in these fields though. Only 2 buy ins left now but I can recover. Day 22 Having a day off to recover from yesterdays primo tilt. Will start again tomorrow. Attempted the record for most hands posted in the poker clinic in a day. Feel the feedback will really help me recover. Day 23 Lost a buy in first hand of session and logged off. How can he call ffs???? Day 24 BT cut me off again, the B*****s!!! Day 31 Back with my last buy in, I can do this!!! F this right off. I open the button with AK, bb calls, flop is 10 high and he shoves into me. I fold, and stand. I'm taking my 2 quid roll back over to grind tournys on pokerstars. Blandie can you close this thread for me plz! ---------------------------------------------- Until next time Sky Poker, I have been THE don! ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH


      LMAO, PMSL, ROFL,  JJ what can i say, absolutely awesome post m8 and well don Don for taking it in the spirit in which i am sure it was intended.

       But on a more serious note, please listen to the advice you are given this time Don.

     p.S.  One thing you forget JJ was the bottle of milk.
  • rossjb14rossjb14 Member Posts: 700
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Day 1 Decided to start tomorrow instead. Day 2 4 tabled for an hour, lost 17 flips but broke even. Day 3 Logged on to sky but then heard about a freeroll sat into the Icelandic WSOP in Rekjavic so played that instead. Lost a flip on the bubble, and felt too tilted to play nl4 after. Day 4 BT cut me off, forgot the bill again! Day 18 Back r efreshed, been working at my game whilst away. Logged on to sky but nl4 was full of regs, so decided to give it a miss.  Will start again tomorrow. Day 19 Finally got a decent session in and played well. Made 2 buy ins playing solid ABC. Really feel like I'm starting to crack it. One guy got 100xbb in pre 4 different times with pocket 2's! I had an overpair every time and held all 4 times! This level is easy I dunno what all the fuss was about! lol Day 20 Had a shocking session, losing every 60/40 and getting coolered, lost 4 buy ins.  The pocket 2's guy was back again and got it in pre twice and held against my AK. I mean SERRIOUSLY, how can he not fold??? How can this level be beaten it's impossible, they just wont fold !!!!! Day 21 Decided to treat myself to a primo sat. Then another 1. Done most of my roll before finally qualifying. Bust to a 1 outer on the bubble, sooooo sick. Really feel I can compete in these fields though. Only 2 buy ins left now but I can recover. Day 22 Having a day off to recover from yesterdays primo tilt. Will start again tomorrow. Attempted the record for most hands posted in the poker clinic in a day. Feel the feedback will really help me recover. Day 23 Lost a buy in first hand of session and logged off. How can he call ffs???? Day 24 BT cut me off again, the B*****s!!! Day 31 Back with my last buy in, I can do this!!! F this right off. I open the button with AK, bb calls, flop is 10 high and he shoves into me. I fold, and stand. I'm taking my 2 quid roll back over to grind tournys on pokerstars. Blandie can you close this thread for me plz! ---------------------------------------------- Until next time Sky Poker, I have been THE don! ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Absolute quality, had to make a vid using JJ's script, apologies for the Don impersonation, video diary
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited August 2011
    I thought that post was Dohhhh,s diary at first

    How you getting on Don  - Have you started yet?
     

    Will probably c u on there - been playing a few to many satelites recently

    Just stay away from MTT,s for a while and you,ll do well
  • MachkaMachka Member Posts: 4,627
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Absolute quality, had to make a vid using JJ's script, apologies for the Don impersonation, video diary
    Posted by rossjb14
    Your link was too subtle Ross!

    Don's video diary
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited August 2011
    Day One

    Little bit hungover today but have decided to power through it like a true man. Taken some advice on board and decided to start 2 tabling NL4 for 2 hours. Will update with progress at 1PM
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited August 2011

    Day One - Update

    A session that started well but ended in loss i thinks the only way really to talk about this one. I think the fact im an MTT player started to show. Typically we;re good for the first little while and then struggle. I felt this big time. First hour i played really good poker, aswell as big hands holding helps. First half hour of the second hour however i made a large number of BASIC errors. I realised this while playing and adapted but in the end it wasnt enough to recover to break even, but reduced the loss sizes.

    Hands shown are either a major talking point or have winnings/losses =/> 50p.

    Winning hands.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.80 mickwill Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £5.36 eddiegri02 Big blind  £0.04 £0.10 £3.96  Your hole cards A A    chaper Fold     eddiegri02 Check     IrishWOLF Fold     rifleman22 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £1.33 The_Don90 Raise  £0.28 £0.42 £3.52 mickwill Fold     eddiegri02 Fold     rifleman22 Call  £0.26 £0.68 £1.07 Flop  10 K 9    The_Don90 Bet  £0.51 £1.19 £3.01 rifleman22 Call  £0.51 £1.70 £0.56 Turn  4    The_Don90 Bet  £0.56 £2.26 £2.45 rifleman22 All-in  £0.56 £2.82 £0.00 The_Don90 Show A A    rifleman22 Show J J    River  6    The_Don90 Win Pair of Aces £2.60  £5.05

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceinabit Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.50 Macacan Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.20  Your hole cards A A    ben170583 Fold     The_Don90 Raise  £0.28 £0.34 £3.72 M247 Fold     DUDLYE888 Fold     inabit Fold     Macacan Call  £0.24 £0.58 £2.96 Flop  3 J 6    Macacan Bet  £0.58 £1.16 £2.38 The_Don90 Raise  £1.89 £3.05 £1.83 Macacan Call  £1.31 £4.36 £1.07 Turn  9    Macacan Check     The_Don90 All-in  £1.83 £6.19 £0.00 Macacan All-in  £1.07 £7.26 £0.00 The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £0.76 £6.50 £0.76 Macacan Show 8 8    The_Don90 Show A A    River  10    The_Don90 Win Pair of Aces £6.01  £6.77

    1. Talking hand id like to focus on bet sizing please.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceIrishWOLF Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.88 The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.17  Your hole cards Q 5    mickwill Call  £0.04 £0.10 £8.91 woodford Fold     craig06 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £2.26 IrishWOLF Fold     The_Don90 Check     Flop  10 8 9    The_Don90 Bet  £0.24 £0.38 £3.93 mickwill Call  £0.24 £0.62 £8.67 craig06 Call  £0.24 £0.86 £2.02 Turn  J    The_Don90 Bet  £0.65 £1.51 £3.28 mickwill Call  £0.65 £2.16 £8.02 craig06 Fold     River  8    The_Don90 Bet  £1.62 £3.78 £1.66 mickwill Fold     The_Don90 Muck     The_Don90 Win  £1.99  £3.65 The_Don90 Return  £1.62 £0.17 £5.27

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancegingpete05 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.84 ALLYM1372 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £0.41  Your hole cards A A    LOMAXKING Call  £0.04 £0.10 £0.44 VWBAYVAN Call  £0.04 £0.14 £3.96 The_Don90 Raise  £0.32 £0.46 £3.62 gingpete05 Fold     ALLYM1372 All-in  £0.41 £0.87 £0.00 LOMAXKING Fold     VWBAYVAN Call  £0.41 £1.28 £3.55 The_Don90 Call  £0.13 £1.41 £3.49 Flop  J 7 A    VWBAYVAN Check     The_Don90 Bet  £1.06 £2.47 £2.43 VWBAYVAN Fold     The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £1.06 £1.41 £3.49 ALLYM1372 Show K J    The_Don90 Show A A    Turn  K    River  10    The_Don90 Win Three Aces £1.30  £4.79

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancealdo1977 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £13.58 KIPKOP99 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.41  Your hole cards A J    chefben07 Fold     The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £4.07 swinian Fold     aldo1977 Call  £0.18 £0.44 £13.40 KIPKOP99 Call  £0.16 £0.60 £4.25 Flop  J 2 5    aldo1977 Check     KIPKOP99 Check     The_Don90 Bet  £0.45 £1.05 £3.62 aldo1977 Fold     KIPKOP99 Call  £0.45 £1.50 £3.80 Turn  7    KIPKOP99 Bet  £0.04 £1.54 £3.76 The_Don90 Raise  £0.83 £2.37 £2.79 KIPKOP99 Fold     The_Don90 Muck     The_Don90 Win  £1.46  £4.25 The_Don90 Return  £0.79 £0.12 £5.04

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancechefben07 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.07 The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £5.00  Your hole cards A A    swinian Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.26 KIPKOP99 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £3.56 chefben07 Fold     The_Don90 Raise  £0.32 £0.46 £4.68 swinian Fold     KIPKOP99 Call  £0.32 £0.78 £3.24 Flop  Q 7 7    The_Don90 Bet  £0.59 £1.37 £4.09 KIPKOP99 Call  £0.59 £1.96 £2.65 Turn  2    The_Don90 Bet  £0.98 £2.94 £3.11 KIPKOP99 Fold     The_Don90 Muck     The_Don90 Win  £1.81  £4.92 The_Don90 Return  £0.98 £0.15 £5.90

    2. Bad call on river by own admittance. Little voice in my head said call so i called.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £5.52 teddy991 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.88  Your hole cards Q J    wallace227 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £5.13 KIPKOP99 Fold     saker Fold     The_Don90 Call  £0.02 £0.12 £5.50 teddy991 Check     Flop  6 Q 8    The_Don90 Bet  £0.09 £0.21 £5.41 teddy991 Fold     wallace227 Call  £0.09 £0.30 £5.04 Turn  10    The_Don90 Bet  £0.15 £0.45 £5.26 wallace227 Call  £0.15 £0.60 £4.89 River  7    The_Don90 Check     wallace227 Bet  £0.60 £1.20 £4.29 The_Don90 Call  £0.60 £1.80 £4.66 wallace227 Show 6 K    The_Don90 Show Q J    The_Don90 Win Pair of Queens £1.66  £6.32

    Losing hands

    3. Really annoyed with this one. this was early into the second hour of play and really think pre i can fold.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancestoneyb515 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.06 Macacan Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £6.07  Your hole cards K Q    ben170583 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.70 The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.30 £6.91 M247 Raise  £0.40 £0.70 £2.84 DUDLYE888 Fold     stoneyb515 Fold     Macacan Fold     ben170583 Fold     The_Don90 Call  £0.20 £0.90 £6.71 Flop  5 7 K    The_Don90 Check     M247 Bet  £0.68 £1.58 £2.16 The_Don90 All-in  £6.71 £8.29 £0.00 M247 All-in  £2.16 £10.45 £0.00 The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £3.87 £6.58 £3.87 The_Don90 Show K Q    M247 Show A A    Turn  6    River  5    M247 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 5s £6.08  £6.08

    4. Again i think i can fold river but would value opinions

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.90 M247 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £5.35  Your hole cards A 10    DUDLYE888 Raise  £0.08 £0.14 £4.36 stoneyb515 Fold     The_Don90 Call  £0.06 £0.20 £3.84 M247 Call  £0.04 £0.24 £5.31 Flop  6 5 6    The_Don90 Check     M247 Check     DUDLYE888 Check     Turn  10    The_Don90 Bet  £0.18 £0.42 £3.66 M247 Fold     DUDLYE888 Call  £0.18 £0.60 £4.18 River  J    The_Don90 Check     DUDLYE888 Bet  £0.68 £1.28 £3.50 The_Don90 Call  £0.68 £1.96 £2.98 DUDLYE888 Show 6 5    The_Don90 Muck A 10    DUDLYE888 Win Full House, 6s and 5s £1.81  £5.31
    5. made to look like a right idiot. easy fold isnt it.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancestoneyb515 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £0.80 Gibbo77 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.83  Your hole cards 8 8    The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.70 M247 Fold     DUDLYE888 Fold     stoneyb515 Fold     Gibbo77 Call  £0.16 £0.42 £3.67 Flop  6 7 Q    Gibbo77 Check     The_Don90 Bet  £0.21 £0.63 £3.49 Gibbo77 Call  £0.21 £0.84 £3.46 Turn  A    Gibbo77 Check     The_Don90 Check     River  4    Gibbo77 Bet  £0.42 £1.26 £3.04 The_Don90 Call  £0.42 £1.68 £3.07 Gibbo77 Show J J    The_Don90 Muck 8 8    Gibbo77 Win Pair of Jacks £1.55  £4.59

    6. think i played this badly alround. was folding on almost any other turn. Lost more than the min i think.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceGibbo77 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.15 ben170583 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £6.58  Your hole cards K J    The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.97 M247 Fold     DUDLYE888 Fold     stoneyb515 Fold     Gibbo77 Call  £0.18 £0.44 £3.97 ben170583 Call  £0.16 £0.60 £6.42 Flop  9 A 2    Gibbo77 Check     ben170583 Check     The_Don90 Check     Turn  10    Gibbo77 Bet  £0.45 £1.05 £3.52 ben170583 Call  £0.45 £1.50 £5.97 The_Don90 All-in  £3.97 £5.47 £0.00 Gibbo77 Fold     ben170583 Call  £3.52 £8.99 £2.45 ben170583 Show 9 9    The_Don90 Show K J    River  A    ben170583 Win Full House, 9s and Aces £8.31  £10.76





    Closing balance: £29.65

    No idea why i cant get itialics off sorry. I think this session was rewarding as i learnt alot about my game and the level thats taken me way to long to get. I have two other talking hands but put them in the clinic to give them a thread to themselves. Pleased that i got the full session that i wanted in. More of the same and a few profits to come in the next one i hope.

  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2011
    Don its far to hard at work to comment on each individual hand i imagine you have spoke to JJ ? if not may have bit of time to look at tonight

    also see proves my theory your a card rack how many times do you want Aces?? run better lol
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    1- maybe less on flop, pot turn
    2- river prob a c/f dont hate the call though
    3- fold pre, cant see why you are shoving flop
    4- river is easy fold when he bets that big
    5 - meh its prob a fold
    6 flat turn
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    4 lots of AA in a 2 hour period on 2 tables!!! At this level, AA is almost a cert to get someone's stack.
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited August 2011
    It just shows its not as easy as ppl think - 4 lots of aces and still no profit

    GL next sesh
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    It just shows its not as easy as ppl think - 4 lots of aces and still no profit GL next sesh
    Posted by MP33
    Well I wouldnt say that. If he'd have just not made that terrible shove in the last hand, he'd have saved his stack and it would have been a profitable session. As it was he was £3 down.

    It's one thing I've been learning about at 4NL. Getting value out of your good hands is only as important as losing the minimum on your non-winning hands. I used to do it all the time, get my £4 BI up to £8-£10 then blow it on a few bad shoves/calls looking to win a big pot.

    I think if you play 4NL right, it's a very patient game and it may take some time but you will eventually find great spots and take people's stacks but people find it a nightmare to get money off you. I think here you're really only putting the money in with your made hands, you're never bluffing, so if you have an idea where you are, you should rarely lose big pots...apart from obviously when you get badly outdrawn.
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    It just shows its not as easy as ppl think - 4 lots of aces and still no profit GL next sesh
    Posted by MP33
    It is MP33 once you get the right mindset, playing a certain style tight abc poker. bet big when you got it and lose minimal when you dont, easy game really
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    That shove on last hand is pretty horrific and looks like tilt to me, also is very similar to a hand Deuceslive posted a good while ago where he shoved with a draw. It doesn't take long to realise bluffs almost NEVER work at this level and trying them is pretty much setting fire to money.

    88 ,QJ and A10 hands have to fold, and KQ pre after minreraise is fold.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    That shove on last hand is pretty horrific and looks like tilt to me, also is very similar to a hand Deuceslive posted a good while ago where he shoved with a draw. It doesn't take long to realise bluffs almost NEVER work at this level and trying them is pretty much setting fire to money. 88 ,QJ and A10 hands have to fold, and KQ pre after minreraise is fold.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    the KJ wasnt tilt just an idiot play, not sure why i done it. i can assure you i got through this session tilt free.
  • Payney1978Payney1978 Member Posts: 75
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : i play mostly 3000+ runner low stake tournaments with an ROI% of 285% on another site. Ive won HU winner takes all 128 runner tournaments as an example of probably my hardest. Also a direct link to my sharkscope graph. not the best but for 3000 runner top heavy prize pools pretty ok http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/graphhl.png/ over 280 games btw.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Hi Don, slightly off topic but out of interest how long do these tournies last? I would like to play some but I'm sure I saw in the lobby of one that it went on for about 12 hours and that was only a $1 or $2 buy in!
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    **Brag Alert**

    Well I played in a tourney like that about 4 years ago, it was only 10 cents buy-in with 3500+ runners, I came 2nd for just over $200 and that took me from 8pm til about 6am so that was 10 hours.

    I was in work the same day as well so got practically no sleep that day but I was well happy, it was my first big result. So yeah 10-12 hours sounds about right.

    Again though Don, if you're getting a good ROI on these and it's only low stakes, couldn't you fund them yourself then you wouldn't have to share your profit and you could take a bit of your profit to set up a proper BR for Sky cash tables.
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