taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

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Posted by DOHHHHHHH

He's gave up again ?

WHOAMI196

Why would anyone want to take on NL4?, if i had a bank roll of around 30 quid(not sure what you have don) i would play 1-1 or 6 max sit n gos, improving my game and making profit.....playing NL4 has no strategy involved imo and so you will not improve on your game!

Gl with playing at this level m8, But seriously if you wish to make money! keep to tournies and sit n gos avoid all the lowest stakes cash games like the plague and once you get a bank roll like 150 quid or sumthing start taking shots at NL10 and 5 quid tourneys! 

AcidMan27

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Why would anyone want to take on NL4?, if i had a bank roll of around 30 quid(not sure what you have don) i would play 1-1 or 6 max sit n gos, improving my game and making profit.....playing NL4 has no strategy involved imo and so you will not improve on your game! Gl with playing at this level m8, But seriously if you wish to make money! keep to tournies and sit n gos avoid all the lowest stakes cash games like the plague and once you get a bank roll like 150 quid or sumthing start taking shots at NL10 and 5 quid tourneys! 
Posted by WHOAMI196

I really don't mean any offence here but that's rubbish.

Of course you can have a strategy to play and beat NL4. Many players who now play much higher on this site started off at NL4.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : I really don't mean any offence here but that's rubbish. Of course you can have a strategy to play and beat NL4. Many players who now play much higher on this site started off at NL4.
Posted by AcidMan27

haha was expecting this, what strategy lol Tight? if you want to play NL4 then do it for the right reasons i.e getting introduced to poker and learning the absolute basic, ..........Not to be a reg at this level and try to beat it!

Might as well wack 100 quid in your accout and play NL10 than wasting long hours of your day grinding to 2 quid profit ....
 
Also there is much more to learn in 1-1 sit n gos and 6 max since you are forced to play and not to sit back and wait for AA.........Honestly listen to me here ..i talk S hit a lot of the time but this time im right!

AcidMan27

I don't agree at all sorry.

Also much of the same strategy you use to play NL4 profitably you should be doing to play NL10 profitably.

So to say stick £100 in your account and then go and play NL10 is a bit wrong. You would have 10 buyins. If you're still learning how to play cash then that's not enough.

Heads up is totally different to 6max cash. S'nG games are totally different too.

DOHHHHHHH

People under-estimate how much money there is to be made at nl4. 

+10 buy in sessions should be pretty frequent if you can multi table properly. 

Few sessions a week and you're looking at 100 quid.

Do it for a couple of months and you have a ready made nl20 bankroll. - OR a few hundred quid spending money, if you're just playing for fun.

So wether ur just messin about to fund tourny entries, or u wanna build and go through the levels, nl4 is the way to go!!!

Those 4 quids add up....

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

I don't agree at all sorry. Also much of the same strategy you use to play NL4 profitably you should be doing to play NL10 profitably. So to say stick £100 in your account and then go and play NL10 is a bit wrong. You would have 10 buyins. If you're still learning how to play cash then that's not enough. Heads up is totally different to 6max cash. S'nG games are totally different too.
Posted by AcidMan27

Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did.......

I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash.

ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......

AcidMan27

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did....... I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash. ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......
Posted by WHOAMI196

You said play heads up or SnG's to learn to play proper poker. What is proper poker ?

Those two disciplines require different skills just the same as playing cash requires different skills.

Then as you work through the cash levels you need to adjust your cash game again.

Don is a great MTT player and seems to be a good HU player too so to improve his cash game he needs to start from the bottom and work his way up.

I agree with you that when you first start playing then SnG's are great and probably the best way to learn the basics.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did....... I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash. ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......
Posted by WHOAMI196

I'm with AcidMan, I think you're completely wrong that there's no point playing ay 4NL. As Doh said you can make a very decent profit from it, it's a brilliant way to lay down the foundations of being a solid player, and it can give new comers a chance to master these basic disciplines and get comfortable with multi-tabling at minimum risk.

You'll need to adapt your strategy in all formats of poker whether it's SnGs, MTTs, cash at micro stakes, or cash at higher levels but if there was no winning strategy at 4NL then surely there would be no consistent winners at 4NL which obviously is not the case

Alot of people do not want to just whack £100 into a poker website when they're very new to the game. 4NL is an excellent way of learning the basics and building up a bankroll so you can step up the levels using good BRM as everyone should. I've used it to get from £20 to £200, now I'm moving onto 8NL and 10NL, I don't see the problem. I'll probably beat 8NL and 10NL until I get to around £400-£500, which shouldn't take more than a month or two, then have a go at 20NL, what is the problem with this?

On a side point, some people just play for fun and actually don't WANT to move up the levels and play 4NL, leave them to it.

The_Don90

Day Three - Update

I forgot to upload results from yesterday so this is a little catch up. Im also going to use this post to reply to some recent comments.

Yestdarday happened to be my mates 21st so i was confident of getting some play in however much though was a mystery. He came up in the morning to drop off the lager and while he was away at his mums for his meal i got on the grind.

This was a largley disappointing session tbh. I was cooking while playing and hit Auto post and wait for Big Blind. This is the result of that.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Yell4Yella	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.90
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	A A
maria882	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.52
steve63	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.11
trueguns	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£5.33
Yell4Yella	Call		£0.02	£0.20	£3.88
The_Don90	Check
Flop
		4 6 4
Yell4Yella	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.15	£0.35	£3.81
maria882	Fold
steve63	Call		£0.15	£0.50	£1.96
trueguns	Fold
Yell4Yella	Fold
Turn
		7
The_Don90	Check
steve63	Bet		£0.50	£1.00	£1.46
The_Don90	Call		£0.50	£1.50	£3.31
River
		J
The_Don90	Check
steve63	All-in		£1.46	£2.96	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.46	£4.42	£1.85
The_Don90	Show	A A
steve63	Show	2 4
steve63	Win	Three 4s	£4.08		£4.08

Probably could have avoiding stacking given the pre flop circumstances. I didnt hear the little bleeper and as a result got back to see the SB acting post flop. whoops.

However the session did get better and some winning moment did come.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
JaY1970	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.18
	Your hole cards	9 9
JPW33	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.72
mallrat12	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£3.08
dirtygirty	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£0.36
denty765	Call		£0.04	£0.22	£3.96
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.54	£3.62
JaY1970	Fold
JPW33	Call		£0.30	£0.84	£3.42
mallrat12	Fold
dirtygirty	All-in		£0.36	£1.20	£0.00
denty765	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.06	£1.26	£3.56
JPW33	Call		£0.06	£1.32	£3.36
Flop
		3 9 A
The_Don90	Bet		£0.99	£2.31	£2.57
JPW33	All-in		£3.36	£5.67	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£2.37	£8.04	£0.20
The_Don90	Show	9 9
JPW33	Show	A 4
dirtygirty	Show	A Q
Turn
		5
River
		8
The_Don90	Win	Three 9s	£7.43		£7.63

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.08
purehuni	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.68
	Your hole cards	A A
maria882	Fold
Guvnor24	Fold
Yell4Yella	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.18
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.34	£3.84
purehuni	Call		£0.22	£0.56	£4.46
Yell4Yella	Fold
Flop
		10 9 J
The_Don90	Bet		£0.42	£0.98	£3.42
purehuni	Call		£0.42	£1.40	£4.04
Turn
		3
The_Don90	Check
purehuni	Bet		£1.00	£2.40	£3.04
The_Don90	Call		£1.00	£3.40	£2.42
River
		10
The_Don90	Check
purehuni	Bet		£2.55	£5.95	£0.49
The_Don90	All-in		£2.42	£8.37	£0.00
purehuni	Unmatched bet		£0.13	£8.24	£0.62
The_Don90	Show	A A
purehuni	Show	K J
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 10s	£7.62		£7.62

The hand above id like some comments on please. Number marked as 1.

However as always theres losing and winning.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
sounddd	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.29
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.43
	Your hole cards	A 10
breamchamp	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.53
deuce22	Fold
purehuni	Fold
sounddd	Fold
The_Don90	Check
Flop
		4 6 A
The_Don90	Bet		£0.10	£0.20	£5.33
breamchamp	Raise		£0.40	£0.60	£3.13
The_Don90	Call		£0.30	£0.90	£5.03
Turn
		5
The_Don90	Check
breamchamp	Bet		£0.45	£1.35	£2.68
The_Don90	Call		£0.45	£1.80	£4.58
River
		3
The_Don90	Check
breamchamp	Check
The_Don90	Show	A 10
breamchamp	Show	8 A
breamchamp	Win	Flush to the 8	£1.66		£4.34

Again comments on this please. Number marked 2.

This hand below (number marked 3.) i see situations alot like this and is it standrad for me to call the shove with the stacks the way they are, or should i just past my card to the dealer ?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
krash999	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.66
purehuni	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	10 A
thecueman	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.82
SONOFZORRO	Fold
june32	Fold
krash999	All-in		£0.66	£0.92	£0.00
purehuni	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.48	£1.40	£3.34
krash999	Show	K 7
The_Don90	Show	10 A
Flop
		K Q 7
Turn
		7
River
		9
krash999	Win	Full House, 7s and Kings	£1.29		£1.29

And hand marked 4. In particular i was annoyed at this.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
denty765	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.86
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£7.59
	Your hole cards	J A
JaY1970	Fold
mallrat12	Fold
denty765	Raise		£0.18	£0.24	£3.68
The_Don90	Call		£0.16	£0.40	£7.43
Flop
		9 3 A
denty765	Bet		£0.20	£0.60	£3.48
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£7.23
Turn
		6
denty765	Bet		£0.40	£1.20	£3.08
The_Don90	Call		£0.40	£1.60	£6.83
River
		4
denty765	Bet		£2.88	£4.48	£0.20
The_Don90	Call		£2.88	£7.36	£3.95
denty765	Show	K A
The_Don90	Muck	J A
denty765	Win	Pair of Aces	£6.80		£7.00

Looking back ive not posted all hands from winning or losing but more the ones that could be discussed. I think ive made a large chunk of errors. Obviously not helped by firstly cooking and secondly eating.


I did get 90 mins in before my mate returned.

Closing Balance: £39.20


In reply to the last few threads aswell. Im simly playing NL4 because im skint. I also need to work on the basics of my game. As some people have said ive played MTTs fr a long time and really ive forgotten the basics.

Lambert180

1. I also obviously raise massive pre but I assume you weren't at the table. I overbet the pot on the flop.

2. nh

3. Raise bigger pre, raise bigger flop, raise the turn. How many times can one guy get AA...

4. Don't know if you were away again but I raise pre. Overbet the flop as played. I might fold turn, I definitely c/f river.

5. I'm calling this, personally, short stacked people at this level should with ANYTHING sometimes. I've had people shove 3bet me with K4.

6. Ul to be up against AK but I fold river here to that massive overbet... you do only have top pair with an ok kicker (I know it's 4NL but still lol)

So was this a losing session in the end? or about break even?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

1. I also obviously raise massive pre but I assume you weren't at the table. I overbet the pot on the flop. 2. nh 3. Raise bigger pre, raise bigger flop, raise the turn. How many times can one guy get AA... 4. Don't know if you were away again but I raise pre. Overbet the flop as played. I might fold turn, I definitely c/f river. 5. I'm calling this, personally, short stacked people at this level should with ANYTHING sometimes. I've had people shove 3bet me with K4. 6. Ul to be up against AK but I fold river here to that massive overbet... you do only have top pair with an ok kicker (I know it's 4NL but still lol) So was this a losing session in the end? or about break even?
Posted by Lambert180

£2 down for the whole session. Remove that AA hand that i missed the start of and im break even.

Lambert180

That's not bad. Half a BI is barely anything really. That's one thing I've learnt since taking cash more serious. Like last night i 4 tabled for 2 hours and was 1 BI down, in the past I'd have been annoyed that I hadn't made profit but I've had about 6 sessions of profit in a row before that and really 1 BI is nothing, it could be soo much worse.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

People under-estimate how much money there is to be made at nl4.  +10 buy in sessions should be pretty frequent if you can multi table properly.  Few sessions a week and you're looking at 100 quid. Do it for a couple of months and you have a ready made nl20 bankroll. - OR a few hundred quid spending money, if you're just playing for fun. So wether ur just messin about to fund tourny entries, or u wanna build and go through the levels, nl4 is the way to go!!! Those 4 quids add up....
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

lol doh ..off the wacki backi m8 seriously!

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : You said play heads up or SnG's to learn to play proper poker. What is proper poker ? Posted by AcidMan27

Did I say that? those are strong words m8,   

What stakes do you play m8........how mutch money do you make? not mutch i take it players like you are prop stuck in a rut, afraid of taking chances, and are not progressing their game.

AcidMan27

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Did I say that? those are strong words m8,    What stakes do you play m8........how mutch money do you make? not mutch i take it players like you are prop stuck in a rut, afraid of taking chances, and are not progressing their game.
Posted by WHOAMI196

What has this got to do with how much money I make and what levels I play at ?

You came into a discussion about microstakes cash to tell people to forget playing microstakes cash and concentrate on SnG's and HU.

If you need to improve your cash game and  you're not rolled to play any higher levels then surely the best advice is to play NL4.


You can be more aggressive at taking shots at the next level once you're happy enough with your cash game.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary :  On a side point, some people just play for fun and actually don't WANT to move up the levels and play 4NL, leave them to it.
Posted by Lambert180

what u talkin about? im not referring to peeps who play for fun but players like don, Nl4 is not the best route to build a bankroll nor to enhance your poker attributes, its just mindless button pressing.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : What has this got to do with how much money I make and what levels I play at ? You came into a discussion about microstakes cash to tell people to forget playing microstakes cash and concentrate on SnG's and HU. If you need to improve your cash game and  you're not rolled to play any higher levels then surely the best advice is to play NL4. You can be more aggressive at taking shots at the next level once you're happy enough with your cash game.
Posted by AcidMan27

do you play NL4? if yes then this prove my point, you have over thousand posts here so i take it you have been here a while? Question is why are you still on NL4?

cash and sns are different granted, but theres more thinking in sit n gos at lower levels, thinking that helps with cash as well as sng

DOHHHHHHH

He's tried loads of times before to beat nl4, and failed.

He's got no chance playing higher up if he can't beat this level, it's just something you gotta do. 

It's easy, should only take a month tops.

Lambert180

Well lets say you can't afford to put £100 into a website as I said. What do you do? Sit at a level of cash where you can only afford 2-3 BIs? Or do you sit somewhere where you can afford 10-20 BIs and learn skills like adapting your game to the players on your table. For instance, the likes of things you see on High Stakes Poker from Negreanu would not work at 4NL and no doubt if he played at 4NL, he'd see how they play and adjust his game to a strategy that works. The same strategy that most regs are using at 4NL now.