In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : do you play NL4? if yes then this prove my point, you have over thousand posts here so i take it you have been here a while? Question is why are you still on NL4? cash and sns are different granted, but theres more thinking in sit n gos at lower levels, thinking that helps with cash as well as sng Posted by WHOAMI196
I started playing on this site in January.
I came here to concentrate on cash as it's what I enjoy playing the most yet I had no idea of how to play it. I built up my roll fairly quickly and moved from NL4 upto NL10 within a month.
I then spent the next few months playing NL10 and took shots at NL20. I then suffered a downturn and realised I still had lots to learn about cash.
I've been really busy with work the past few months so when I've had the time to play, i've just been playing for fun so I've been playing NL4 again.
Tbh I really don't understand people who get frustrated at playing NL4 as it's great fun. To get paid off so many times when you've got the nuts and it's quite obvious you've got the nuts is brilliant.
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : I started playing on this site in January. I came here to concentrate on cash as it's what I enjoy playing the most yet I had no idea of how to play it. I built up my roll fairly quickly and moved from NL4 upto NL10 within a month. I then spent the next few months playing NL10 and took shots at NL20. I then suffered a downturn and realised I still had lots to learn about cash. I've been really busy with work the past few months so when I've had the time to play, i've just been playing for fun so I've been playing NL4 again. Tbh I really don't understand people who get frustrated at playing NL4 as it's great fun. To get paid off so many times when you've got the nuts and it's quite obvious you've got the nuts is brilliant. Posted by AcidMan27
Why would anyone want to take on NL4?, if i had a bank roll of around 30 quid(not sure what you have don) i would play 1-1 or 6 max sit n gos, improving my game and making profit.....playing NL4 has no strategy involved imo and so you will not improve on your game! Gl with playing at this level m8, But seriously if you wish to make money! keep to tournies and sit n gos avoid all the lowest stakes cash games like the plague and once you get a bank roll like 150 quid or sumthing start taking shots at NL10 and 5 quid tourneys! Posted by WHOAMI196
I used to think it doesn,t improve your game, but it teaches you so much discipline and cn also help you multi-table and there is a strategy at every level or discipline
As long as you know how to change your strategy for the higher levels its fine
if you can sit there for hours just for a cpl of quid and strill play your A game your doing well. similar to playing a Freeroll . you should learn to ply you A game in whatever stakes your playing
Now for another 60-90 min sesh on the NL4 3-4tabling - Just want to see if i get to 2k points really without playing anything else
Firstly WHOAMI196 calm yaself down right now mate.
You are talking 100% 21 carrot bull poop.
I have played every type of game on this site from DYM's to MTT's (only deepstacks) and finally Cash. DYM's as far as I'm concerned are pure evil and should be removed as soon as is physically possible, I grinded them for along time stupidly thinking there was a decent profit to be made from them, how wrong I was, it's just a way of learning the game paying a small amount and treading water.
MTT's are what I really love about poker and enjoy a lot, however a little thing called variance stops you consistently making money at these, unless you play lots, which takes the enjoyment away for me.
Then there's cash, you say what's the point in playing it well news flash some people don't have a choice. At first of course you're just earning pennies a £1 if you're lucky lol but you have to build up gradually, no point jumping to the top. I started off at NL4 like I'm sure almost everyone did, moved through NL8 and at the top end of NL10 now hoping to be playing NL20 consistently by the end of next month, but without NL4 I wouldn't have been able to build up this hard outer shll of discipline and concentration which I presume is vital at all levels.
TBH if anything I'm dreading the time when I have to start thinking I love playing like a souless zombie just clicking buttons, as long as I keep finishing sessions/months in profit does it really matter?
What you doin cooking and playing Don? I,ve had to stop watching Hollyoaks while playing as I can,t concentrte How many hours did u play and howe many table? Posted by MP33
Hey Dude, I'm playing 4 tables at a time now at 4NL and pretty comfortable with it. I do wanna step up to 8NL but I reckon I can comfortably handle 6 tables so do ya think I should do 6 tables at 4NL for a bit or just go to 8NL.
AND when ya move up a level, would you suggest playing a couple of sessions with 1 or 2 tables just til you get used to it?
Hey Dude, I'm playing 4 tables at a time now at 4NL and pretty comfortable with it. I do wanna step up to 8NL but I reckon I can comfortably handle 6 tables so do ya think I should do 6 tables at 4NL for a bit or just go to 8NL. AND when ya move up a level, would you suggest playing a couple of sessions with 1 or 2 tables just til you get used to it? Posted by Lambert180
Well with some quite passionate advice about just skipping NL8 completely and playing NL10 I did do this but did so with only 17 BI's at the level (which I personally didn't like one bit and felt it was too soon), went on to lose £22 in two sessions early on (bigger BR this doesn't faze me one bit) and so had a rethink and decided to just play NL8 and if there wasn't enough running add a few NL4's in there to top up the numbers but basically get on EVERY NL8 table up to however many you can play.
Also as for moving up at all yep fewer tables at first is a smart idea, I did it at NL8 and then again at NL10, not 1 lol but defo 2 just while you're making notes as you'll most likely see a LOT of new players REGS and FISH alike which can be overwhelming 4+ tabling.
TBH even now I can only 3 table as am trying to constantly look back at HH for big pots (ones I'm not in, big thanks to DOHHH for this, never thought to do it myself lol) to get specific hand reads which of course help when in tricky spots like TPTK getting minraised on the flop lolz.
Firstly WHOAMI196 calm yaself down right now mate. You are talking 100% 21 carrot bull poop. I have played every type of game on this site from DYM's to MTT's (only deepstacks) and finally Cash. DYM's as far as I'm concerned are pure evil and should be removed as soon as is physically possible, I grinded them for along time stupidly thinking there was a decent profit to be made from them, how wrong I was, it's just a way of learning the game paying a small amount and treading water. MTT's are what I really love about poker and enjoy a lot, however a little thing called variance stops you consistently making money at these, unless you play lots, which takes the enjoyment away for me. Then there's cash, you say what's the point in playing it well news flash some people don't have a choice. At first of course you're just earning pennies a £1 if you're lucky lol but you have to build up gradually, no point jumping to the top. I started off at NL4 like I'm sure almost everyone did, moved through NL8 and at the top end of NL10 now hoping to be playing NL20 consistently by the end of next month, but without NL4 I wouldn't have been able to build up this hard outer shll of discipline and concentration which I presume is vital at all levels. TBH if anything I'm dreading the time when I have to start thinking I love playing like a souless zombie just clicking buttons, as long as I keep finishing sessions/months in profit does it really matter? @ Don - Keep going mate you WILL do it ! Posted by Dudeskin8
Calm myself down? WTF do you think you are....what i say is my opinion...i have been through it and lets just say my br is very healthy m8! in my opening thread on this topic was that if i had 30quid in my br, this is what i would DO! you say you like playing like a mindless zombie..this is because it is true......if you play at this level for too long winning or losing your never gonna progress.....the higher the levels the more you need to think.... you need to be thinking about ranges + pot odds + position + table selection + your perceived range to ur oppo + etc ..........I jumped straight into NL10 after a brief spell on NL4 .... when i went up the levels i was sometimes nearly made broke ...because i had bad habbits from playing the low stakes...playing too many hands, playing oop ..not being able to lay big hand down, calling three bets light.....you need to learn to shake off this trend and you aint gonna if you play NL4 for long.......i stick to what i have said in the previous posts end of. ..
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Calm myself down? WTF do you think you are....what i say is my opinion...i have been through it and lets just say my br is very healthy m8! in my opening thread on this topic was that if i had 30quid in my br, this is what i would DO! you say you like playing like a mindless zombie..this is because it is true......if you play at this level for too long winning or losing your never gonna progress.....the higher the levels the more you need to think.... you need to be thinking about ranges + pot odds + position + table selection + your perceived range to ur oppo + etc ..........I jumped straight into NL10 after a brief spell on NL4 .... when i went up the levels i was sometimes nearly made broke ...because i had bad habbits from playing the low stakes...playing too many hands, playing oop ..not being able to lay big hand down, calling three bets light.....you need to learn to shake off this trend and you aint gonna if you play NL4 for long.......i stick to what i have said in the previous posts end of. .. ....just my opinion Posted by WHOAMI196
Jesus, all those traits are things playing at NL4 should batter out of you not install you fool !
If this is how you are playing I'd advise you take a few weeks down there.
In terms of playing higher it's pretty obvious playing the range I do at NL4-10 won't work at NL20-30 (although I haven't tried it yet so can't comment).... When you do move up you start playing the player more as you are forced to play REG's more, if people at those levels had a choice I'm sure they'd LOVE to play brain dead zombies who don't understand the rules but that never happens due to not enough people with £20/30/50 to burn but more at micro obvz.
Hang on, one of the bad habits you had to lose from 4NL was playing too many hands??? Well that's a bad habit in 4NL, if anything I'd say you'd be opening up your range as your game improves and as you go up the levels. 4NL is all about having a tight range and playing it aggressively, so you should not be 'playing too many hands'.
One thing you can learn at 4NL is discipline and good BRM, something you're clearly not doing if you nearly went broke.
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Quote of the year IMO. quality! Posted by splashies
Do u watch it? - They were doing a naked calendar
1 more hour completed t NL4 ( 4 tables )- very quiet - 1 hnd over £2 profit. Picked up kk 3x at the end - Ran it into aces on one of them though but got paid on last one below which made me a cpl of quid profit on the session and almost 20 pts which means I,m gonna have to do about 4 hours a day for 4 days
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Do u watch it? - They were doing a naked calendar 1 more hour completed t NL4 ( 4 tables )- very quiet - 1 hnd over £2 profit. Picked up kk 3x at the end - Ran it into aces on one of them though but got paid on last one below which made me a cpl of quid profit on the session and almost 20 pts which means I,m gonna have to do about 4 hours a day for 4 days Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance KidPoker93 Big blind £0.04 £0.04 £0.96 chigsey Big blind £0.04 £0.08 £1.56 Your hole cards K K Abi222 Call £0.04 £0.12 £0.53 MP33 Raise £0.16 £0.28 £5.07 chigsey Raise £0.24 £0.52 £1.32 marc1960 Fold KidPoker93 Call £0.24 £0.76 £0.72 Abi222 Call £0.24 £1.00 £0.29 MP33 Raise £1.20 £2.20 £3.87 chigsey All-in £1.32 £3.52 £0.00 KidPoker93 All-in £0.72 £4.24 £0.00 Abi222 All-in £0.29 £4.53 £0.00 MP33 Call £0.24 £4.77 £3.63 KidPoker93 Show 8 A Abi222 Show J 10 MP33 Show K K chigsey Show K Q Flop 3 9 J Turn 6 River 3 MP33 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 3s £4.41 £8.04 BR - £150 1450 pts BR - £171.84 1694pts Posted by MP33
Sit on tables with stacks at least £2 imo these spots are so crucial you canny be winning just pennies.
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Sit on tables with stacks at least £2 imo these spots are so crucial you canny be winning just pennies. Posted by Dudeskin8
Good point - Was thinking that myself during that last hand
Just won £25 on a £5 risk free bet after Barca won 2-0 but still gonna do a 2- 3 hour sesh and get some more points
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Good point - Was thinking that myself during that last hand Just won £25 on a £5 risk free bet after Barca won 2-0 but still gonna do a 2- 3 hour sesh and get some more points Are you playing tonight Don? Posted by MP33
Just done 2 hours at NL4 - Waasn,t picking up anything but ended up 2 tabling at Omaha ( I wasn,t aware you could play at 2p/4p Omaha ) - only played for about anhour but found it slightly easier and won a cpl of buy in pots to end up £14 -
What you doin cooking and playing Don? I,ve had to stop watching Hollyoaks while playing as I can,t concentrte How many hours did u play and howe many table? Posted by MP33
To be fair i had anything from 1 hour to 3 hours while my mate was at his mums to cook and get a small session in. In the end i got an hour n a half
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : To be fair i had anything from 1 hour to 3 hours while my mate was at his mums to cook and get a small session in. In the end i got an hour n a half Posted by The_Don90
Something else I thought I might add is when my BR was fairly small like yours now I used to have rather small sessions in terms of hands the average being around 170-180 and on the odd occasions if you run like god for say an hour and are 1-2 BI's up I found it good to just shut up shop lock in the profit going to bed with that job well done feeling. Of course if your BR is better doing this is bad as you will most likely win even more keep playing but when small the confidence boost is great.
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Just done 2 hours at NL4 - Waasn,t picking up anything but ended up 2 tabling at Omaha ( I wasn,t aware you could play at 2p/4p Omaha ) - only played for about anhour but found it slightly easier and won a cpl of buy in pots to end up £14 - BR £150 - 1450 pts BR £185.49 1708 pts Posted by MP33
Just had my worse sesh in a while - played for 6 hours 3 tabling NL4 which in hindsight was to long - lost focus after after bout 3-4 hours and made cpl of basic errors. Only picked up aces once which got bt by qaud 9,s
definately won,t be plying that long again without a break - suprised i,m only £6 down - Thought it was more
BR £150 1450pts
BR £179.33 1776 pts - It didn,t help when i realised i was playing on some 3 player tbles where you don,t get any points. there has to be 4 players in the hand
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Just had my worse sesh in a while - played for 6 hours 3 tabling NL4 which in hindsight was to long - lost focus after after bout 3-4 hours and made cpl of basic errors. Only picked up aces once which got bt by qaud 9,s definately won,t be plying that long again without a break - suprised i,m only £6 down - Thought it was more BR £150 1450pts BR £179.33 1776 pts - It didn,t help when i realised i was playing on some 3 player tbles where you don,t get any points. there has to be 4 players in the hand Posted by MP33
after a break and something to eat decided to put nother hour in - 3 tabling as there were omly 3 tbles running t NL4 and despite a cpl of early bad bets had a good run to finish £11up. Less than 200pts to go with 2 nights left
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I came here to concentrate on cash as it's what I enjoy playing the most yet I had no idea of how to play it. I built up my roll fairly quickly and moved from NL4 upto NL10 within a month.
I then spent the next few months playing NL10 and took shots at NL20. I then suffered a downturn and realised I still had lots to learn about cash.
I've been really busy with work the past few months so when I've had the time to play, i've just been playing for fun so I've been playing NL4 again.
Tbh I really don't understand people who get frustrated at playing NL4 as it's great fun. To get paid off so many times when you've got the nuts and it's quite obvious you've got the nuts is brilliant.
As long as you know how to change your strategy for the higher levels its fine
if you can sit there for hours just for a cpl of quid and strill play your A game your doing well. similar to playing a Freeroll . you should learn to ply you A game in whatever stakes your playing
Now for another 60-90 min sesh on the NL4 3-4tabling - Just want to see if i get to 2k points really without playing anything else
You are talking 100% 21 carrot bull poop.
I have played every type of game on this site from DYM's to MTT's (only deepstacks) and finally Cash. DYM's as far as I'm concerned are pure evil and should be removed as soon as is physically possible, I grinded them for along time stupidly thinking there was a decent profit to be made from them, how wrong I was, it's just a way of learning the game paying a small amount and treading water.
MTT's are what I really love about poker and enjoy a lot, however a little thing called variance stops you consistently making money at these, unless you play lots, which takes the enjoyment away for me.
Then there's cash, you say what's the point in playing it well news flash some people don't have a choice. At first of course you're just earning pennies a £1 if you're lucky lol but you have to build up gradually, no point jumping to the top. I started off at NL4 like I'm sure almost everyone did, moved through NL8 and at the top end of NL10 now hoping to be playing NL20 consistently by the end of next month, but without NL4 I wouldn't have been able to build up this hard outer shll of discipline and concentration which I presume is vital at all levels.
TBH if anything I'm dreading the time when I have to start thinking I love playing like a souless zombie just clicking buttons, as long as I keep finishing sessions/months in profit does it really matter?
@ Don - Keep going mate you WILL do it !
I,ve had to stop watching Hollyoaks while playing as I can,t concentrte
How many hours did u play and howe many table?
AND when ya move up a level, would you suggest playing a couple of sessions with 1 or 2 tables just til you get used to it?
Also as for moving up at all yep fewer tables at first is a smart idea, I did it at NL8 and then again at NL10, not 1 lol but defo 2 just while you're making notes as you'll most likely see a LOT of new players REGS and FISH alike which can be overwhelming 4+ tabling.
TBH even now I can only 3 table as am trying to constantly look back at HH for big pots (ones I'm not in, big thanks to DOHHH for this, never thought to do it myself lol) to get specific hand reads which of course help when in tricky spots like TPTK getting minraised on the flop lolz.
Also it's Carl
If this is how you are playing I'd advise you take a few weeks down there.
In terms of playing higher it's pretty obvious playing the range I do at NL4-10 won't work at NL20-30 (although I haven't tried it yet so can't comment).... When you do move up you start playing the player more as you are forced to play REG's more, if people at those levels had a choice I'm sure they'd LOVE to play brain dead zombies who don't understand the rules but that never happens due to not enough people with £20/30/50 to burn but more at micro obvz.
Now breath......
One thing you can learn at 4NL is discipline and good BRM, something you're clearly not doing if you nearly went broke.
1 more hour completed t NL4 ( 4 tables )- very quiet - 1 hnd over £2 profit. Picked up kk 3x at the end - Ran it into aces on one of them though but got paid on last one below which made me a cpl of quid profit on the session and almost 20 pts which means I,m gonna have to do about 4 hours a day for 4 days
BR - £171.84 1694pts
EDIT: It's just appeared, nevermind.
Good point - Was thinking that myself during that last hand
Just won £25 on a £5 risk free bet after Barca won 2-0 but still gonna do a 2- 3 hour sesh and get some more points
Are you playing tonight Don?
BR £150 - 1450 pts
BR £185.49 1708 pts