The rake is hideous too. I will get rofl'd at no doubt but I'm pretty sure a lot of nl10 tables are unbeatable with the 7.5% rake. If they are beatable winrates will be small. Table selection is important. 'On the positives' it's going to make the mental transition to 20nl easier. 'Only' 5% rake will make such a big difference. This is the most interesting spot I could remember from yesterday... Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Agreed. Jumping off tables when you find 4-5 nitty regs have sat down is imperative if you're to beat the rake. Are never likely to have enough of an edge against even the worst regs (ok, maybe against me) to be a long term winning game.
re: the hand, not sure I want to be 3-betting here unless I am expecting to get a lot of folds.
Pretty spew spot when board pairs but then a decent reg may well be stabbing 1/2 pot with semi/bluffs here after floating turn... as well as figuring that things like AT could be betting for value.
What is an ABC call 3b range here though? 99-QQ, AT+, T9s+, KJ and maybe a few other pairs and suited connectors and perhaps a slow played AA. QQ/AA and Jx hands probably check back turn, so either crushed or facing Tx (other than T9/TJ) or AK/AQ (assuming they wouldn't float if they had called 3b with weaker hands).
In play I almost certainly call and hope river is c/c (sigh call if river is blank)... because I'm a weak fish... but thinking it over there is probably a good case for folding given how much of oppos range has us drawing dead. Turn may have even helped us dodge a cold KQ shaped bullet.
In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : What is an ABC call 3b range here though? 99-QQ, AT+, T9s+, KJ and maybe a few other pairs and suited connectors and perhaps a slow played AA. Posted by shakinaces
I've had many a debate with friends about this kind of thing recently and everytime we disagree.
They would probably offer up a similar range to what you have suggested when in reality it's probably just stuff like 99/TT/JJ/QQ/AK/AQs.
Maybe I gave the guy too much credit saying he's abc too. He's probably still way too tight, he's just not 'as' tight as some.
They say playing players with really narrow ranges is easy, and I agree, but not when I'm always assigning them wider ranges than they ever have.
I'm not going to say it's easier to play better players because that's absurd and I'll get owned in a totally different way, but it's really tough to actually believe that their ranges are so narrow time and time again and play accordingly.
If I was to sum up my recent experiences at micro stakes I'd definitely say it's a battle with yourself rather than against the other players.
In the hand I check/shoved, mainly due to the stack sizes, and the fact I was a fish and couldn't look beyond my own hand.
I think he just 'knuckles back' and takes the equity with all the stuff I can beat, and he doesn't have any pure floats/bluffs either.
I was drawing dead v Jacks.
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20h Weekend Challenge final report.
We failed.
Miserably.
I woke up Sunday feeling ok, played an hour, then hit the biggest wall of tiredness yet. Couldn't even keep my eyes open.
Was horrible because due to the heat/humidity I couldn't sleep either.
Indonmia !
Total For weekend = 9 Hours 50 Minutes of volume for a total of - £1.02
So yah, don't even know what I can say about that.
So I wont try.
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Played an impromptu mtt session last night.
Around 10 mtts with an average buyin of around £1.50
I was approaching the money in the £2r turbo, with £100 for the winner, then played this hand for a top 3 stack with 15 left.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancereverend22 Small blind 600.00 600.00 31823.00 jondabar Big blind 1200.00 1800.00 5740.50 Your hole cards 6 A pedros99 Fold DOHHHHHHH Raise 2400.00 4200.00 21174.00 alanna701 Call 2400.00 6600.00 23015.00 reverend22 Fold jondabar Fold Flop 6 7 6 DOHHHHHHH Bet 2400.00 9000.00 18774.00 alanna701 Call 2400.00 11400.00 20615.00 Turn J DOHHHHHHH Bet 6000.00 17400.00 12774.00 alanna701 Call 6000.00 23400.00 14615.00 River 9 DOHHHHHHH All-in 12774.00 36174.00 0.00 alanna701 Call 12774.00 48948.00 1841.00 DOHHHHHHH Show 6 A alanna701 Show J J alanna701 Win Full House, Jacks and 6s 48948.00 50789.00
I know exactly what you mean about playing against nitty regs, that's why I jumped over to omaha :P I used to be a massive donk against them - winning tons of small pots but then spewing against them trying to get them to fold strong hands. These days the few times I play omaha I'm just m-r pre an absolute ton and then being very selective in my 2 and 3 barrel ranges.
I don't like the pf play either - quite happy to just flat this hand and see a flop. Once you 3b and flop a straight I'm c/r here I think just cause it's a board like you said that will hit his range a fair bit and with quite a few potential scare cards that can come by the river I want to GII by the turn. As played I think you have to c/c turn and re-eval river.
Please beat the sh*te out of your doctor and get him to treat you seriously.
It's an easy excuse to blame things on excess alcohol and often is correct. But the new you negates all that. Life is tough enough as it is without having to suffer unnecessarily. Insist absolutely that they sort you out now. Agree to a billion tests if necessary.
Please beat the sh*te out of your doctor and get him to treat you seriously. It's an easy excuse to blame things on excess alcohol and often is correct. But the new you negates all that. Life is tough enough as it is without having to suffer unnecessarily. Insist absolutely that they sort you out now. Agree to a billion tests if necessary. Do it Now Please Posted by GELDY
This is not a good place for any of us to dispense medical advice, but.......
It's just wrong that a young man should be so tired, so often, something is definitely wrong there, & you ought to (try to) get it sorted.
Also, one typical piece of advice from me to what should be a sprightly young man - how often do you get out of the house, for a bit of exercise & fresh air? As a regular reader of this Diary, you very rarely mention going out. Fresh air & exercise might sound yawn-worthy advice from a grumpy old so & so, but it's solid.
A good balanced diet is important, too, with plenty of fruit, & maybe cut down on "pop" & fizzy drinks. Water, even flavoured water, beats pop by a mile.
Dohhhhhhhh, This is not a good place for any of us to dispense medical advice, but....... It's just wrong that a young man should be so tired, so often, something is definitely wrong there, & you ought to (try to) get it sorted. Also, one typical piece of advice from me to what should be a sprightly young man - how often do you get out of the house, for a bit of exercise & fresh air? As a regular reader of this Diary, you very rarely mention going out. Fresh air & exercise might sound yawn-worthy advice from a grumpy old so & so, but it's solid. A good balanced diet is important, too, with plenty of fruit, & maybe cut down on "pop" & fizzy drinks. Water, even flavoured water, beats pop by a mile. Best regards, Marjorie Proops. Posted by Tikay10
Daily Mirror Agony Aunt I think. Pretty sure it was Dear Deidre in the Sun. Think the Sun thread was a little racier.
In Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : Daily Mirror Agony Aunt I think. Pretty sure it was Dear Deidre in the Sun. Think the Sun thread was a little racier. Posted by Jac35
Correct, & something of a celebrity in her time. Got a gong, too (OBE).
Oddly, her first name was actually Rebecca.
Back in the pre-internet days, people like Marj were huge stars, as Newspapers were so much more important then.
Hi, sorry if this thread has become overly dominated by the tiredness stuff. Recent replies suggest it may have.
I don't mean to blag on about it but it's hard to write up how poker is going without mentioning it abit when it has such a big impact.
TK all the things you mention above have improved alot over the last 4 months.
I don't drink fizzy pop at all. Haven't had a fizzy non alcoholic drink for 10 years, have cut out all suger in teas/coffee etc completely and I must drink >8 litres of cold water a day.
Have had 1 single takeaway in 4 months when it used to be a weekly thing.
I've tried all the so called super foods, even started drinking green tea and eating stuff like chia and flaxseeds as well as trying vitamin B and numerous other supplements.
My exercise both in and outdoors has increased out of sight over that period too.
I can honestly say I've tried everything I can possibly try myself to improve things and if anything it's getting worse.
If anyone has any ideas of other things I can eat or buy from the chemist that might help, please lmk!
I know the doctors will 'snap' put it down to alcohol withdrawl, (despite me having Zero withdrawl symptoms since day 1) or some other thing but I will give them another ring this week and try.
fwiw I've been keeping a diary recently of my food and drink intake and I think eating eggs may be making me feel worse.
Or it could just be fatigue variance.
Either way, gg eggs.
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Had a decently productive day at poker yesterday.
I watched some videos, and then did a skype call for a couple of hours with friends playing some 10/20nl.
Did some work on ranges and discovered some pretty alarming stuff about how we can play big hands pre flop in cash games.
A friend of mine who is also a very good player shared the data from his spreadsheet too.
Over decent samples, he's a big winning player on skypoker at 4nl, 20nl (over 10xbb/100), 30nl, and 50nl.
He's a very slight losing player at 10nl.
I was both surprised and also releived to hear that.
It just shows how much the rake impacts your results at that level. Although of course the samples are still small enough for there to be lots of variance.
I wont be playing 10nl here again.
Plan is to get the roll to £1k using t'other sites and go to 20nl on SP.com from there.
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MTTs again yesterday for abit.
Fun hand.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
AJStranger
Small blind
40.00
40.00
949.00
darryn1973
Big blind
80.00
120.00
7403.00
Your hole cards
A
A
DOHHHHHHH
Raise
240.00
360.00
3365.00
britbull01
Fold
yelvy
All-in
1635.75
1995.75
0.00
ulsterfr30
All-in
2166.00
4161.75
0.00
AJStranger
Fold
darryn1973
Fold
DOHHHHHHH
Raise
3321.75
7483.50
43.25
DOHHHHHHH
Unmatched bet
1395.75
6087.75
1439.00
DOHHHHHHH
Show
A
A
yelvy
Show
A
J
ulsterfr30
Show
Q
Q
Flop
K
10
Q
Turn
10
River
2
ulsterfr30
Win
Full House, Queens and 10s
6087.75
6087.75
HOLD FOR 2 HEADS.
OK HOLD FOR 1 HEAD.
'AYAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH'
I cba to convert balances in other currencies to £.
"...Hi, sorry if this thread has become overly dominated by the tiredness stuff. Recent replies suggest it may have.
I don't mean to blag on about it but it's hard to write up how poker is going without mentioning it a bit when it has such a big impact.
TK all the things you mention above have improved a lot over the last 4 months.
That's all great news, & I'm very glad to hear it. All the more reason, then, to persist with proper medical consultations. It's just not right, this tiredness is nature's way of trying to tell you something. At my age, we can expect to feel tired, at your age, no way.
As to the Diary being "dominated by tiredness", it might be just me (very likely is) but I cant & don't read "poker only" Diaries, they bore me (& I suspect a few others) to tears. I like better balance to diary & conversation. I've never once commented on this Diary as to whether a play with AK in early position or whatever was right or wrong, it does not interest me one dot, unless of course it is to assist a newbie to the game, in which case yes, I'm all over that. There's a whole lot more to life than the silly, but wonderful, game of poker.
Anyway, listen to Grandad, & go see Mr Quack again.
In a weird way bringing it up in here has made me feel abit better about it too. Even though I know it isn't, it's nice to be told it's not normal and something can be done about it. Also feels good that it's 'out there' and not just in my head 24/7. Meh.
Reception guy has left a message with my GP asking her to contact me when she's back in surgery tomorrow.
Best possible result.
Feels like I've done something about it and if it doesn't end up getting me anywhere, at least I don't feel dejected until tomorrow
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'On the negatives'. Just lost 6 Euros on Unibet 10nl without playing a pot above €0.50c.
In a weird way bringing it up in here has made me feel abit better about it too. Even though I know it isn't, it's nice to be told it's not normal and something can be done about it. Also feels good that it's 'out there' and not just in my head 24/7. Meh. Reception guy has left a message with my GP asking her to contact me when she's back in surgery tomorrow. Best possible result. Feels like I've done something about it and if it doesn't end up getting me anywhere, at least I don't feel dejected until tomorrow Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Stopped reading after that bit. I'm chuffed to bits. The little team of well meaning naggers on here may have helped a bit.
You do the poker advice, we'll look after the more mundane matters of life & death, ok?
Literally a 'yawn update'. Doc been in touch, gotta go to DRI for (yet another) full set of bloods. If it is anything physical causing the problems then it 'should show on the results'. If there is nothing Dennis Amiss, it could be depression. I find that hard to believe. If it is I blame the 10nl regs. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I've been around guys with depression before, and if you do have it, then, well... you deal with it remarkably well! GLGL
Hello Dohhhhhhh I to get tired in fact had to reduce my hours of work and did have about 18 months off work, does your body ache in lots of places and does your skin tingle if so you might have fibromyalgia although some people just get the tiredness. Some doctors don't believe this is a condition and just think you are a malingerer which I know not to be true I have been to a clinic for this and also chronic fatigue which has similar symptoms but there is no test for it they just come to this conclusion when they have ruled everything else out. You have to make lifestyle changes so you can lead a reasonable life without being tired all the time at poker I play mostly cash and if I play for 2 hours that is a long game for me. I also use this as an excuse as to why I am so poor at tournaments but I think the real problem is that I am just bad, if I do play tournaments it will only be 1 or 2 very rarely 3 at a time but I can be quite happy playing just one. I do lead a good life thanks to my wife and the medication I take so please don't anyone feel sorry for me and one of the reasons I got into poker was to fill some of the day while off work because its not to strenuous and if you pick the right type of game you can play as you like and it's a great game. Ask your doctor about these conditions and I hope your better soon.
reason 1) you only have 6 combos of 44, and he might even have some A4s combos, so it's not like you have significantly more 4x than villain. Villain still has a range advantage ott despite hero having slightly more 4x simply because he has so many overpairs, so it's not a spot we can go crazy.
reason 2) you probably raise sets otf a decent %, well, I think you should be, and even if you're not, villain might be thinking this, making your bluff less successful.
reason 3) the flush draw missed. It's simply too easy for villain to reasonably think, ok, flush draw missed, he hasn't got very many 4x, he might raise sets otf, I call. Also, not that it's hugely relevant in these games, but bluffing with an overpair like this means you're bluffing significantly too much. I would only make this move if I was so sure villain overfolds vs aggression, and I'd really have to be positive because if you're not, then it's total spew.
** your actual line is fine, but not with this hand **
*** one more edit - I'm very willing to rail you playing zoom for a short while and make notes to help you. I won't talk while you're playing because that's a distraction, and when you've finished I'll type them to you/chat about it***
Thought I'd just pop in as you mentioned that eating eggs might be making it worse. Your other symptoms don't match up with this (I don't think) but have you got any history of gall stones in the family?
Both my mum and one of my brothers have had to have their gall bladders removed. Earlier this year I started getting awful pains around thirty minutes after eating (without ever actually getting diarhrea or vomiting). It took a while because at first I thought it was an allergy to something but I managed to narrow it down to eggs and when I did some research I found this to be a symptom of gall bladder disease and/or stones. I've since cut eggs from my diet and I'm dramatically better so far, touch wood! I've also read that sometimes gall stones can appear/grow/cause problems when a dramatic healthy change is made to your diet, depressing I know! So perhaps your health kick could have triggered this. Although if your not in any pain perhaps feel free to discard all of this!
I haven't been to a doctor so all of this is self diagnosis so don't take it as gospel but might be worth mentioning the egg thing to the doctor
Your symptoms are similar to my father in law's. I'm assuming you can go to bed, have a good 8hrs sleep and still feel exhausted in the morning??
He suffered for months before he was eventually diagnosed with sleep apnoea. He now sleeps with a mask on to maintain his airflow during the night and he says he feels like a new man.
Google the symptoms for yourself and if they sound familiar then demand a test. My father in law spent the night in hospital hooked up to various monitors in order to be diagnosed. It's all good and well getting 8hrs sleep but with sleep apnoea you are rarely having a good quality deep sleep that the body and mind require. Might be worth looking into.
Whatever it is, I hope it gets sorted soon and it's good to see you back on the forum.
Ive been telling my brother for two years to go to the doctors about his SMOKERS cough,he kept brushing it aside,even a friend booked him in the doctors about 18 months ago,he didnt turn up
hes been diagnosed with lung cancer on monday tommorw he,ll find out what stage the progression is(personnally im expecting the worse) hes 46 ffs
hes not just me bro,hes my work partner and my best friend
idk if he was just affraid of going the docs fearing the worst but now its too late,thats why if your not feeling right get down the docs
Comments
re: the hand, not sure I want to be 3-betting here unless I am expecting to get a lot of folds.
Pretty spew spot when board pairs but then a decent reg may well be stabbing 1/2 pot with semi/bluffs here after floating turn... as well as figuring that things like AT could be betting for value.
What is an ABC call 3b range here though? 99-QQ, AT+, T9s+, KJ and maybe a few other pairs and suited connectors and perhaps a slow played AA. QQ/AA and Jx hands probably check back turn, so either crushed or facing Tx (other than T9/TJ) or AK/AQ (assuming they wouldn't float if they had called 3b with weaker hands).
In play I almost certainly call and hope river is c/c (sigh call if river is blank)... because I'm a weak fish... but thinking it over there is probably a good case for folding given how much of oppos range has us drawing dead. Turn may have even helped us dodge a cold KQ shaped bullet.
They would probably offer up a similar range to what you have suggested when in reality it's probably just stuff like 99/TT/JJ/QQ/AK/AQs.
Maybe I gave the guy too much credit saying he's abc too. He's probably still way too tight, he's just not 'as' tight as some.
They say playing players with really narrow ranges is easy, and I agree, but not when I'm always assigning them wider ranges than they ever have.
I'm not going to say it's easier to play better players because that's absurd and I'll get owned in a totally different way, but it's really tough to actually believe that their ranges are so narrow time and time again and play accordingly.
If I was to sum up my recent experiences at micro stakes I'd definitely say it's a battle with yourself rather than against the other players.
In the hand I check/shoved, mainly due to the stack sizes, and the fact I was a fish and couldn't look beyond my own hand.
I think he just 'knuckles back' and takes the equity with all the stuff I can beat, and he doesn't have any pure floats/bluffs either.
I was drawing dead v Jacks.
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20h Weekend Challenge final report.
We failed.
Miserably.
I woke up Sunday feeling ok, played an hour, then hit the biggest wall of tiredness yet. Couldn't even keep my eyes open.
Was horrible because due to the heat/humidity I couldn't sleep either.
Indonmia !
Total For weekend = 9 Hours 50 Minutes of volume for a total of - £1.02
So yah, don't even know what I can say about that.
So I wont try.
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Played an impromptu mtt session last night.
Around 10 mtts with an average buyin of around £1.50
I was approaching the money in the £2r turbo, with £100 for the winner, then played this hand for a top 3 stack with 15 left.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancereverend22 Small blind 600.00 600.00 31823.00 jondabar Big blind 1200.00 1800.00 5740.50 Your hole cards 6 A pedros99 Fold DOHHHHHHH Raise 2400.00 4200.00 21174.00 alanna701 Call 2400.00 6600.00 23015.00 reverend22 Fold jondabar Fold Flop 6 7 6 DOHHHHHHH Bet 2400.00 9000.00 18774.00 alanna701 Call 2400.00 11400.00 20615.00 Turn J DOHHHHHHH Bet 6000.00 17400.00 12774.00 alanna701 Call 6000.00 23400.00 14615.00 River 9 DOHHHHHHH All-in 12774.00 36174.00 0.00 alanna701 Call 12774.00 48948.00 1841.00 DOHHHHHHH Show 6 A alanna701 Show J J alanna701 Win Full House, Jacks and 6s 48948.00 50789.00
Was a wee bit demoralising!
But did 'ship' a gold medal on 888
http://i.imgur.com/bDVDY2N.png
Roll is at £933 going in to today.
I have no idea what the plan is going forward with game selection or volume.
Apart from the last thing I want to load up when I log on to the PC is 10nl on skypoker.
gl to everyone on the grind this week.
^^^^
Dohhhhhhhh,
This is not a good place for any of us to dispense medical advice, but.......
It's just wrong that a young man should be so tired, so often, something is definitely wrong there, & you ought to (try to) get it sorted.
Also, one typical piece of advice from me to what should be a sprightly young man - how often do you get out of the house, for a bit of exercise & fresh air? As a regular reader of this Diary, you very rarely mention going out. Fresh air & exercise might sound yawn-worthy advice from a grumpy old so & so, but it's solid.
A good balanced diet is important, too, with plenty of fruit, & maybe cut down on "pop" & fizzy drinks. Water, even flavoured water, beats pop by a mile.
Best regards,
Marjorie Proops.
Oddly, her first name was actually Rebecca.
Back in the pre-internet days, people like Marj were huge stars, as Newspapers were so much more important then.
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MTTs again yesterday for abit.
Fun hand.
OK HOLD FOR 1 HEAD.
'AYAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH'
I cba to convert balances in other currencies to £.
But may have lost about 7 quid.
So roll into today = £925ish.
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Off to ring the Quacks!
GL all playing today.
Hi JJ,
You wrote.....
That's all great news, & I'm very glad to hear it. All the more reason, then, to persist with proper medical consultations. It's just not right, this tiredness is nature's way of trying to tell you something. At my age, we can expect to feel tired, at your age, no way.
As to the Diary being "dominated by tiredness", it might be just me (very likely is) but I cant & don't read "poker only" Diaries, they bore me (& I suspect a few others) to tears. I like better balance to diary & conversation. I've never once commented on this Diary as to whether a play with AK in early position or whatever was right or wrong, it does not interest me one dot, unless of course it is to assist a newbie to the game, in which case yes, I'm all over that. There's a whole lot more to life than the silly, but wonderful, game of poker.
Anyway, listen to Grandad, & go see Mr Quack again.
Stopped reading after that bit. I'm chuffed to bits. The little team of well meaning naggers on here may have helped a bit.
You do the poker advice, we'll look after the more mundane matters of life & death, ok?
+1 to TKz life / poker comment. Keep life coming
http://i.imgur.com/uCSgK2l.png
reason 1) you only have 6 combos of 44, and he might even have some A4s combos, so it's not like you have significantly more 4x than villain. Villain still has a range advantage ott despite hero having slightly more 4x simply because he has so many overpairs, so it's not a spot we can go crazy.
reason 2) you probably raise sets otf a decent %, well, I think you should be, and even if you're not, villain might be thinking this, making your bluff less successful.
reason 3) the flush draw missed. It's simply too easy for villain to reasonably think, ok, flush draw missed, he hasn't got very many 4x, he might raise sets otf, I call. Also, not that it's hugely relevant in these games, but bluffing with an overpair like this means you're bluffing significantly too much. I would only make this move if I was so sure villain overfolds vs aggression, and I'd really have to be positive because if you're not, then it's total spew.
** your actual line is fine, but not with this hand **
*** one more edit - I'm very willing to rail you playing zoom for a short while and make notes to help you. I won't talk while you're playing because that's a distraction, and when you've finished I'll type them to you/chat about it***
Your symptoms are similar to my father in law's. I'm assuming you can go to bed, have a good 8hrs sleep and still feel exhausted in the morning??
He suffered for months before he was eventually diagnosed with sleep apnoea. He now sleeps with a mask on to maintain his airflow during the night and he says he feels like a new man.
Google the symptoms for yourself and if they sound familiar then demand a test. My father in law spent the night in hospital hooked up to various monitors in order to be diagnosed. It's all good and well getting 8hrs sleep but with sleep apnoea you are rarely having a good quality deep sleep that the body and mind require. Might be worth looking into.
Whatever it is, I hope it gets sorted soon and it's good to see you back on the forum.