Cheers guys. Yeah I'm definitely getting some momentum going now. I have noticed you around the 4NL tables recently TinTin but there's usually enough tables to go around cos I only play 6 and I'm playing between like 9pm - midnight where there are plenty.
Quite shocked at my C4P aswell, I know it's not exactly ground breaking but ages ago I used to struggle to even make the 500 points at 4NL, but think it should be fairly easy this month, and even easier next month if I'm 6tabling 8NL by then. I know C4P aint that important at microstakes but aint gonna say no to 2 free BIs
Was quite a bad day today for the most part, was down about 3 BI's until I won a 500bb pot with a FH vs a spew monkey who lost 250bb w KQ on a KJJAx board. I had AJ,
Yeah you're back ahead of me for now Splashies, although I'm glad to see you're catching up with me in terms of the number of hands played.
Something occured to me the other day... ya know they always say how like 90% of players are long-term losing players. well it just made me feel alot better about my game, and how forunate I am to actually be a winning player even if it's only by a small amount. Well it's not fortunate, it's hard work etc but yeah, should be more confident and stop putting down my game so much.
Quote of the day:
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win" Sun-Tzu
I've decided that I am perhaps being slightly nitty in waiting to get to £400 before diong 8NL and after a recent experiment of trying to play some 8NL, I realised how few tables there are at that level. So I'm now going to playing as much 8NL as possible and if I can't get 6 tables of it going, I'll top up to 6 tables with 4NL.
So tonight I managed to get going on 3 x 8NL and 3 x 4NL. Somehow I managed to make a profit, how? I'll never know. I played absolutely terribly, calling too much pre, opening too wide, calling too much post flop and on river with weak holdings, just really really bad. It was only due to a few really lucky hands which helped me make a profit, one of which involved cracking AA with my AK.
In total I made £11.12 profit which I'm really happy with especially as I'd have been happy to break even after how bad I played. This does mean it's now my 10th session in a row of making profit.
Hands Played: 17,580 Bankroll: £278.50 Profit/Loss: +£74.34 Poker Points: 319
That does mean that I have just went ahead of Splashies by a nose. No doubt he'll be back ahead after his next session though.
Hey man, you're waiting til £400 for 8nl? £10nl is easily beatable with £200 i would strongly advice you to step up to this limit now with 28 buyin's, u will NOT lose.
Hey man, you're waiting til £400 for 8nl? £10nl is easily beatable with £200 i would strongly advice you to step up to this limit now with 28 buyin's, u will NOT lose. Gl regardless, Stu Posted by Dumbmofo
I can't bear to go through this debate again lol, so I'll summarise.
I'm not waiting anymore to play 8NL, I'm playing it from now onwards. As for the £500 for 10NL, I'm sticking to that. I play 6 tables and have never played 10NL or any higher for any prolonged period, so it's gonna be a learning curve for me, while also 6tabling. Even if I was playing brilliantly, it's still pretty likely that I could drop 5 BIs at some point while 6tabling. I know what I'm like and if I have a smaller BR and lose 5 BIs, I will go on tilt.
Having the bigger BR helps me avoid tilting, it also gets me in the good habits because as I move up levels, there's no way 30 BIs will be enough to comfortably 6table. It also allows me to try new things as I'm learning, and take aggressive lines sometimes without worrying that losing a few BIs is gonna be a sizeable chunk of my roll. Having a smaller roll always causes me to play more defensively and I don't wanna give up any edge and lower my win-rate to try to reduce variance.
You can have a BR that's too small, but there's no such thing as one that's too big
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months ------ Current Bankroll = £278.50 : I can't bear to go through this debate again lol, so I'll summarise. I'm not waiting anymore to play 8NL, I'm playing it from now onwards. As for the £500 for 10NL, I'm sticking to that. I play 6 tables and have never played 10NL or any higher for any prolonged period, so it's gonna be a learning curve for me, while also 6tabling. Even if I was playing brilliantly, it's still pretty likely that I could drop 5 BIs at some point while 6tabling. I know what I'm like and if I have a smaller BR and lose 5 BIs, I will go on tilt. Having the bigger BR helps me avoid tilting, it also gets me in the good habits because as I move up levels, there's no way 30 BIs will be enough to comfortably 6table. It also allows me to try new things as I'm learning, and take aggressive lines sometimes without worrying that losing a few BIs is gonna be a sizeable chunk of my roll. Having a smaller roll always causes me to play more defensively and I don't wanna give up any edge and lower my win-rate to try to reduce variance. You can have a BR that's too small, but there's no such thing as one that's too big Posted by Lambert180
He is right though imo
You would crush 10nl.....by playing tight ABC poker. The only difference between 10nl and 4nl is that you dont get as many dumb calls, you have the roll to take a shot and I'm 100% certain you will beat it.
Gl whatever you do though, I read this thread on a reg basis and it is always a good read
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months ------ Current Bankroll = £278.50 : He is right though imo You would crush 10nl.....by playing tight ABC poker. The only difference between 10nl and 4nl is that you dont get as many dumb calls, you have the roll to take a shot and I'm 100% certain you will beat it. Gl whatever you do though, I read this thread on a reg basis and it is always a good read Posted by waller02
Thanks Waller, you probably are right, but I wanna be quite strict on my BRM if nothing else but to get me in good habits for the higher levels where it will be essential. I know it might take me a bit longer this way, but I'm still young so got plenty of time, and it can't have any negative affect on my plans, will just give me more experience and more opportunity to hone the foundations at a lower risk.
I got my longest session in for a while and it was my first full session of 6tabling 8NL... so trust me to have a mare of it lol...
Biggest sigh of the night was this hand
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
cal98521
Small blind
£0.04
£0.04
£6.64
JINTY
Big blind
£0.08
£0.12
£18.58
Your hole cards
10
10
madmoney19
Fold
Lambert180
Raise
£0.24
£0.36
£10.82
9_fingers
Fold
cal98521
Fold
JINTY
Call
£0.16
£0.52
£18.42
Flop
2
10
J
JINTY
Bet
£0.52
£1.04
£17.90
Lambert180
Raise
£1.28
£2.32
£9.54
JINTY
Raise
£3.84
£6.16
£14.06
Lambert180
All-in
£9.54
£15.70
£0.00
JINTY
Call
£6.46
£22.16
£7.60
JINTY
Show
Q
J
Lambert180
Show
10
10
Turn
J
River
J
JINTY
Win
Four Jacks
£20.76
£28.36
I could post alot more, but it would only get boring and this was the worst of the lot. Bit of a shame that this 1 hand alone would have put me in profit if not for runner runner quads lol, but hey I'm sure I'll do the same to someone else at some point. So I was about 5BIs down within the first hour, then spent the next 2.5 hrs grinding back as much as possible, so in the end I made a loss of £16.14 and while that feels like alot compared to previous session results, I know it's only really 2 BIs at the new level, and quite an accomplishment I think from how bad the session started.
Hands Played: 19,260 Bankroll: £262.36 Profit/Loss: +£58.20 Poker Points: 444
Wow I earned about 130 points tonight, pretty impressive for microstakes, although I did 6table through the happy hour AND did alot of early birding.
Was really frustrating, I was having to start up tables, and paly short handed for ages, then the table would be up and running with 4-6 players, and they'd all leave again. I REALLY need to work on my short handed cash game!
hi Paul, haven't posted here for a while.... kinda busy myself. lol
nice to see that b/r of yours creeping up ,well played. also good luck at the new nl8 level. i deffo think you are right in that you should wait until you have the full 50 buy-ins (£500) in your b/r b4 moving up to the nl10 level.,personally i think that is a bit on the low side myself. i've played there b4,not for very long admittedly,but i can tell you from experience just how easily you could lose not only 5 buy-ins a session,but even 7 or 8 or more. and trust me buddy,if you 'ain't rolled for it properly,it hurts.
best wishes dev
ps,glad you took my advice regarding posting less hands,it is imo anyway,so much better now than it was before.
Thanks for the input Dev, and glad to see you're enjoying it.
Yeah I think less of the moaning is better for me and all the readers... although I did have to post that beauty from last night because I think it's the worst outdraw I've ever had (to my memory) lol.
Good BRM is definitely really important, and even more so when in the near future I should be moving up to levels I've never played before so will be a real learning curve.
Thanks for the input Dev, and glad to see you're enjoying it. Yeah I think less of the moaning is better for me and all the readers... although I did have to post that beauty from last night because I think it's the worst outdraw I've ever had (to my memory) lol. Good BRM is definitely really important, and even more so when in the near future I should be moving up to levels I've never played before so will be a real learning curve. Posted by Lambert180
yes m8, think that's deffo in the 'bad beat' club.
i once had playing nl4...Q9 flop came QQ9 not to bad then a 10 came, bet bet etc, all-in all-in. then a 4 came on river. opponent had Q 10 (think i was a bit upset for a while) lol
had the same problems myself recently when moving up levels on my DYM challenge,admittedly it wouldn't normally of happened to me as am a b/roll nit,probably even more so than yourself, but lost £130 one night (playing £5's & £11's too)when my b/r was only at £230 so b/r dropped back to £100
Just been an unreal couple of sessions, hitting huge and getting paid in most spots. It all started on the Tuesday session while I was following the Northampton Town match in which we won. Must have been my lucky day
The run good continued in this evenings session too. I may be moving up to nl8/10 soon too if i nail a few more winning sessions.
Not quite back ahead of you yet but did have a winning session at 8NL tonight, and I will catch you soon... still plenty of time til Xmas. Only played for 1hr (6tabling) because I had someone watching me on TV. I made £11.51 profit in the end tonight which aint too bad for only 1 hrs play.
Hands Played: 19,740 Bankroll: £273.87 Profit/Loss: +£69.71 Poker Points: 473
On the brink of getting some C4P, will easily break 500+ on my next session. Quote of the Day "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit" Aristotle
While I agree you should be playing NL8 with that roll, It doesn't mean you should not have a look/shot at NL10.
Find a level you feel comfortable at, be it NL4 or NL8, then load up 5 of them tables and 1 of nl10 for example.
You may find NL10 is really no differant but for the sake of en extra £2 you get to have a look, see how it plays and see how you do.
FWIW I do this all the time, and find it a lot easier instead of just saying ok I have 40bi so I am just going to step up
Gradual steps is better imo
plus you may just find that nl10 is just the same, but no point people telling you this - you have to go on the learning curve yourself
imo to be a winner at cash poker you just have to find a level that you feel comfortable and beat, before you start to move up - but seriously dont' expect anyhing upto NL20 to be anyting but straight forward poker
I'm not a cash player myself but i've always thought reading posts about moving up etc that a player's game can evolve better by gradual immersion in the pond of 'deeper'levels ie higher. A bit like try a B.I at a higher level concentrating solely on that to see any apparent differences making notes. Return to your usual feeding ground and compare. Do this on a regular basis and i suspect that the jump would have a more well-founded base instead of the 'eyes shut' bound. It's only a thought but good luck anyway...
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Quite shocked at my C4P aswell, I know it's not exactly ground breaking but ages ago I used to struggle to even make the 500 points at 4NL, but think it should be fairly easy this month, and even easier next month if I'm 6tabling 8NL by then. I know C4P aint that important at microstakes but aint gonna say no to 2 free BIs
Something occured to me the other day... ya know they always say how like 90% of players are long-term losing players. well it just made me feel alot better about my game, and how forunate I am to actually be a winning player even if it's only by a small amount. Well it's not fortunate, it's hard work etc but yeah, should be more confident and stop putting down my game so much.
Quote of the day:
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win"
Sun-Tzu
So tonight I managed to get going on 3 x 8NL and 3 x 4NL. Somehow I managed to make a profit, how? I'll never know. I played absolutely terribly, calling too much pre, opening too wide, calling too much post flop and on river with weak holdings, just really really bad. It was only due to a few really lucky hands which helped me make a profit, one of which involved cracking AA with my AK.
In total I made £11.12 profit which I'm really happy with especially as I'd have been happy to break even after how bad I played. This does mean it's now my 10th session in a row of making profit.
Hands Played: 17,580
Bankroll: £278.50
Profit/Loss: +£74.34
Poker Points: 319
That does mean that I have just went ahead of Splashies by a nose. No doubt he'll be back ahead after his next session though.
I'm not waiting anymore to play 8NL, I'm playing it from now onwards. As for the £500 for 10NL, I'm sticking to that. I play 6 tables and have never played 10NL or any higher for any prolonged period, so it's gonna be a learning curve for me, while also 6tabling. Even if I was playing brilliantly, it's still pretty likely that I could drop 5 BIs at some point while 6tabling. I know what I'm like and if I have a smaller BR and lose 5 BIs, I will go on tilt.
Having the bigger BR helps me avoid tilting, it also gets me in the good habits because as I move up levels, there's no way 30 BIs will be enough to comfortably 6table. It also allows me to try new things as I'm learning, and take aggressive lines sometimes without worrying that losing a few BIs is gonna be a sizeable chunk of my roll. Having a smaller roll always causes me to play more defensively and I don't wanna give up any edge and lower my win-rate to try to reduce variance.
You can have a BR that's too small, but there's no such thing as one that's too big
You would crush 10nl.....by playing tight ABC poker. The only difference between 10nl and 4nl is that you dont get as many dumb calls, you have the roll to take a shot and I'm 100% certain you will beat it.
Gl whatever you do though, I read this thread on a reg basis and it is always a good read
Biggest sigh of the night was this hand
Hands Played: 19,260
Bankroll: £262.36
Profit/Loss: +£58.20
Poker Points: 444
Wow I earned about 130 points tonight, pretty impressive for microstakes, although I did 6table through the happy hour AND did alot of early birding.
Was really frustrating, I was having to start up tables, and paly short handed for ages, then the table would be up and running with 4-6 players, and they'd all leave again. I REALLY need to work on my short handed cash game!
haven't posted here for a while....
kinda busy myself. lol
nice to see that b/r of yours creeping up ,well played.
also good luck at the new nl8 level.
i deffo think you are right in that you should wait until you have the full 50 buy-ins (£500) in your b/r b4 moving up to the nl10 level.,personally i think that is a bit on the low side myself.
i've played there b4,not for very long admittedly,but i can tell you from experience just how easily you could lose not only 5 buy-ins a session,but even 7 or 8 or more.
and trust me buddy,if you 'ain't rolled for it properly,it hurts.
best wishes
dev
ps,glad you took my advice regarding posting less hands,it is imo anyway,so much better now than it was before.
Yeah I think less of the moaning is better for me and all the readers... although I did have to post that beauty from last night because I think it's the worst outdraw I've ever had (to my memory) lol.
Good BRM is definitely really important, and even more so when in the near future I should be moving up to levels I've never played before so will be a real learning curve.
think that's deffo in the 'bad beat' club.
i once had playing nl4...Q9 flop came QQ9 not to bad
then a 10 came, bet bet etc, all-in all-in. then a 4 came on river.
opponent had Q 10 (think i was a bit upset for a while) lol
had the same problems myself recently when moving up levels on my DYM challenge,admittedly it wouldn't normally of happened to me as am a b/roll nit,probably even more so than yourself,
but lost £130 one night (playing £5's & £11's too)when my b/r was only at £230 so b/r dropped back to £100
a lesson learnt there for the future,me thinks.
best wishes,
dev
Not quite back ahead of you yet but did have a winning session at 8NL tonight, and I will catch you soon... still plenty of time til Xmas. Only played for 1hr (6tabling) because I had someone watching me on TV. I made £11.51 profit in the end tonight which aint too bad for only 1 hrs play.
Hands Played: 19,740
Bankroll: £273.87
Profit/Loss: +£69.71
Poker Points: 473
On the brink of getting some C4P, will easily break 500+ on my next session.
Quote of the Day
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit"
Aristotle
While I agree you should be playing NL8 with that roll, It doesn't mean you should not have a look/shot at NL10.
Find a level you feel comfortable at, be it NL4 or NL8, then load up 5 of them tables and 1 of nl10 for example.
You may find NL10 is really no differant but for the sake of en extra £2 you get to have a look, see how it plays and see how you do.
FWIW I do this all the time, and find it a lot easier instead of just saying ok I have 40bi so I am just going to step up
Gradual steps is better imo
plus you may just find that nl10 is just the same, but no point people telling you this - you have to go on the learning curve yourself
imo to be a winner at cash poker you just have to find a level that you feel comfortable and beat, before you start to move up - but seriously dont' expect anyhing upto NL20 to be anyting but straight forward poker
good luck, smal steps
I'm not a cash player myself but i've always thought reading posts about moving up etc that a player's game can evolve better by gradual immersion in the pond of 'deeper'levels ie higher. A bit like try a B.I at a higher level concentrating solely on that to see any apparent differences making notes. Return to your usual feeding ground and compare. Do this on a regular basis and i suspect that the jump would have a more well-founded base instead of the 'eyes shut' bound.
It's only a thought but good luck anyway...