I played 6tables of 8NL tonight for 1hr 30 mins, was a pretty up and down session, but I'm pleased to say there were more ups than downs, so I made another £11.67 profit, so I'm now in profit since starting 8NL and have reached my highest profit so far. Still a bit of catching up to do with Splashies but I'll get there...
Finally broke the 500 points barrier too which is always a nice free bonus. In good shape to be £300+ by the end of the month, which puts me in good shape to meet my target of being rolled for 10NL (by my standards lol - 50BIs) by the end of October.
I find it weird that you stepped up to NL8 with approximately 30 BI's yet you won't step up to NL10 without 50?!
NL10 is full of mugs, just as many if not more than NL8 due to more tables running. Just run good and you'll crush it. If not just keep dropping down until you get a bit of run good and bob's your uncle. I think people need to stop this perception of the mystical step-up - there are mugs at every stake and just because the buy-in is bigger doesn't mean the standard is better.
You're right that it doesn't necessarily mean the standard is always better (or if it is, it's not always much) but what is different is the amount of BIs I have.
I'm not gonna move up and rely on running good, I'm gonna move up when I can afford to take the ups and downs of that level and know that no matter how I run, if I play well, I will make money because my BR can handle it (short of some horrendous runbad). I moved up a bit earlier to 8NL just because I've played it before and there is little difference between that and 4NL, but there is a noticeable difference at 10NL... that's not to say there aren't alot of weak players, but it's certainly nothing like 4NL where you get called down super light so often. Some players do it, just less of them.
So yeah, I could probably go and play 20NL and 'if I run good', bob's your uncle there too, but if I don't, it's just a needless gamble I don't need to take. It's not exactly like this is really slowing me down. It's took me 3-4 weeks to make £80+ almost exclusively from 4NL, and my profits should only go up now at 8NL so as I am, I think I'll have 50BIs for 10NL by the end of October, so it's not like it's gonna take forever and I'm really stunting my progress.
Plus, the higher I go, the more vital it will be to have 50BIs+ especially when 6tabling and not just playing like a complete nit (which is not my intention).
good things come to those who wait lamber. I thought about jumping up and back in the day i used to but im sticking to low buy ins mainly until i spin it upto enough so i can then jump up a level. It feels like a struggle to make a profit worth having but eventualy it should pay off. The old story of the tortoise and the hair and all that. To me its frustrating as i wanna make a quick profit but the risks are to high and i wanna do it when im ready to do it. So stick with your plan lambert and eventualy we will both get there and win big
Yeah my thoughts exactly Dazler, slow and steady wins the race Too many people are in a rush to make it big and then end up 'doing a Donk' lol.
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“Whenever you want to achieve something, keep your eyes open, concentrate and make sure you know exactly what it is you want. No one can hit their target with their eyes closed.” ― Paulo Coelho
Little interesting snippet I read about how small bits of negative variance and the added impact of how your opponent is running can have a massive effect in the short term...
Say you play cash poker and flop a FD 100 times in a week, so you should make your flush about 33 times in the week. Let's say if you're running good you hit 40 flushes, and if you're running bad you only hit 25.
So if you're running bad and only hit 25 (so 8 less than normal) and your opponent is running good and hits 40 (7 more than normal). That all adds up to 15 pots you've lost more than you 'should' have in 1 week.
Even at 8NL, 15 pots could easily be £60+ and that's just flush draws, just ONE of many many situations in poker.
Little interesting snippet I read about how small bits of negative variance and the added impact of how your opponent is running can have a massive effect in the short term... Say you play cash poker and flop a FD 100 times in a week, so you should make your flush about 33 times in the week. Let's say if you're running good you hit 40 flushes, and if you're running bad you only hit 25. So if you're running bad and only hit 25 (so 8 less than normal) and your opponent is running good and hits 40 (7 more than normal). That all adds up to 15 pots you've lost more than you 'should' have in 1 week. Even at 8NL, 15 pots could easily be £60+ and that's just flush draws, just ONE of many many situations in poker. Posted by Lambert180
Little interesting snippet I read about how small bits of negative variance and the added impact of how your opponent is running can have a massive effect in the short term... Say you play cash poker and flop a FD 100 times in a week, so you should make your flush about 33 times in the week. Let's say if you're running good you hit 40 flushes, and if you're running bad you only hit 25. So if you're running bad and only hit 25 (so 8 less than normal) and your opponent is running good and hits 40 (7 more than normal). That all adds up to 15 pots you've lost more than you 'should' have in 1 week. Even at 8NL, 15 pots could easily be £60+ and that's just flush draws, just ONE of many many situations in poker. Posted by Lambert180
I never think of things like this i just play as good a poker as i can on the day 1 game at a time, the rest as they say is UP TO THE POKER GODS
@ Dazler and Rancid - It's not supposed to be negative lol. It's just a little illustration of how much just one tiny little thing like that can affect your short term results, so really short term results are meaningless.
Cheers Geldy, I think I've dechiphered the message lol. And yeah, I think you've summed it up, the key is being true to yourself, and I naturally am not a very gambly person, so will always take the slow and steady route.
Well tonight was a bit disappointing... I got in my longest session for ages, to try and take advantage of Friday night but just ran horribly all night. Kept thinking it would change eventually but it was not to be. Quite a few coolers like KK into AA pre flop, 2nd nut flush v nut flush etc, a few nasty outdraws but the most frustrating thing was just missing every single flop. I played 6tables for 3.5 hours and I flopped a set either once or twice all night, got dealt AK probably 50 times (!) but missed the flop virtually every time lol.
But enough moaning, I did manage to win a few medium sized pots, and did manage to take down alot of pots by just c-betting. I was dreading checking my balance at the end of the session to see how much I'd lost but was really relieved when I saw it was only £10.86 which I think is pretty great considering how it went. I also took down a few cheeky pots V donk cos I know he loves to try and bluff me and thinks I'm a complete nit, so it's easy to use that against him...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Lambert180
Big blind
£0.08
£0.08
£16.50
Your hole cards
6
6
IDONKCALLU
Raise
£0.24
£0.32
£8.92
rainman397
Fold
Lambert180
Raise
£0.64
£0.96
£15.86
IDONKCALLU
Call
£0.48
£1.44
£8.44
Flop
9
J
5
Lambert180
Bet
£0.74
£2.18
£15.12
IDONKCALLU
Call
£0.74
£2.92
£7.70
Turn
2
Lambert180
Check
IDONKCALLU
Bet
£1.28
£4.20
£6.42
Lambert180
Call
£1.28
£5.48
£13.84
River
K
Lambert180
Bet
£2.21
£7.69
£11.63
IDONKCALLU
Fold
Lambert180
Muck
Lambert180
Win
£5.06
£16.69
Lambert180
Return
£2.21
£0.42
£18.90
It's also nice to know that in what felt like a horrible session, I only lost just over 1 BI and I made abuot £1.50 of that back just in C4P, so hardly anything to get worried about.
I have no idea what you're repping in that hand but as it's not in the clinic I'll let you off, and to ppl who thought I was referring to myself helping lambert in my earlier post, that's not true.. he's gone with someone a tad better, just a little, tiny. bit.
Didn't really post the hand for analysis, more just for sh*tz and giggles with Donk. Got another one for you actually Donk lol...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
nky_225
Small blind
£0.04
£0.04
£5.02
Lambert180
Big blind
£0.08
£0.12
£15.87
Your hole cards
Q
A
IDONKCALLU
Raise
£0.24
£0.36
£8.25
rainman397
Fold
Brightie22
Fold
nky_225
Call
£0.20
£0.56
£4.82
Lambert180
Call
£0.16
£0.72
£15.71
Flop
9
7
4
nky_225
Check
Lambert180
Check
IDONKCALLU
Bet
£0.40
£1.12
£7.85
nky_225
Fold
Lambert180
Call
£0.40
£1.52
£15.31
Turn
6
Lambert180
Check
IDONKCALLU
Check
River
3
Lambert180
Check
IDONKCALLU
Bet
£0.64
£2.16
£7.21
Lambert180
Raise
£1.28
£3.44
£14.03
IDONKCALLU
Fold
Lambert180
Muck
Lambert180
Win
£2.59
£16.62
Lambert180
Return
£0.64
£0.21
£17.26
I've only played a small amount of 10NL but I'd be hard pushed to say it's easier than 4NL, but yeah easier or not is kinda irrelevant to what my BR can handle. If 50NL was by a mile the easiest level of the site, and I could completely crush it, still doesn't mean I would play it with my BR.
I made the step up to nl8 on Thursday evening. Since then I've had two break evenish sessions along with a +£30 session today. As less tables run at nl8 im sure we'll come across each other on the tables. Can't believe that we havent even been on the same table yet in this challenge!
You're either miles miles better than me or on some serious rungood Splashies!! Don't think I've seen you post a losing session yet that's been over 1/2 a BI lol. You've made twice as much profit in half as many hands! Well played mate.
And yeah, we'll deffo be seeing each other cos I play 6 tables, and @ 8NL there's usually only about 6 tables running!
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I played 6tables of 8NL tonight for 1hr 30 mins, was a pretty up and down session, but I'm pleased to say there were more ups than downs, so I made another £11.67 profit, so I'm now in profit since starting 8NL and have reached my highest profit so far. Still a bit of catching up to do with Splashies but I'll get there...
Hands Played: 20,460
Bankroll: £285.63
Profit/Loss: +£81.38
Poker Points: 520 (£4.16)
Finally broke the 500 points barrier too which is always a nice free bonus. In good shape to be £300+ by the end of the month, which puts me in good shape to meet my target of being rolled for 10NL (by my standards lol - 50BIs) by the end of October.
Paul
NL10 is full of mugs, just as many if not more than NL8 due to more tables running. Just run good and you'll crush it. If not just keep dropping down until you get a bit of run good and bob's your uncle. I think people need to stop this perception of the mystical step-up - there are mugs at every stake and just because the buy-in is bigger doesn't mean the standard is better.
I'm not gonna move up and rely on running good, I'm gonna move up when I can afford to take the ups and downs of that level and know that no matter how I run, if I play well, I will make money because my BR can handle it (short of some horrendous runbad). I moved up a bit earlier to 8NL just because I've played it before and there is little difference between that and 4NL, but there is a noticeable difference at 10NL... that's not to say there aren't alot of weak players, but it's certainly nothing like 4NL where you get called down super light so often. Some players do it, just less of them.
So yeah, I could probably go and play 20NL and 'if I run good', bob's your uncle there too, but if I don't, it's just a needless gamble I don't need to take. It's not exactly like this is really slowing me down. It's took me 3-4 weeks to make £80+ almost exclusively from 4NL, and my profits should only go up now at 8NL so as I am, I think I'll have 50BIs for 10NL by the end of October, so it's not like it's gonna take forever and I'm really stunting my progress.
Plus, the higher I go, the more vital it will be to have 50BIs+ especially when 6tabling and not just playing like a complete nit (which is not my intention).
Quote of the Day
“Whenever you want to achieve something, keep your eyes open, concentrate and make sure you know exactly what it is you want. No one can hit their target with their eyes closed.”
― Paulo Coelho
Say you play cash poker and flop a FD 100 times in a week, so you should make your flush about 33 times in the week. Let's say if you're running good you hit 40 flushes, and if you're running bad you only hit 25.
So if you're running bad and only hit 25 (so 8 less than normal) and your opponent is running good and hits 40 (7 more than normal). That all adds up to 15 pots you've lost more than you 'should' have in 1 week.
Even at 8NL, 15 pots could easily be £60+ and that's just flush draws, just ONE of many many situations in poker.
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Cheers Geldy, I think I've dechiphered the message lol. And yeah, I think you've summed it up, the key is being true to yourself, and I naturally am not a very gambly person, so will always take the slow and steady route.
But enough moaning, I did manage to win a few medium sized pots, and did manage to take down alot of pots by just c-betting. I was dreading checking my balance at the end of the session to see how much I'd lost but was really relieved when I saw it was only £10.86 which I think is pretty great considering how it went. I also took down a few cheeky pots V donk cos I know he loves to try and bluff me and thinks I'm a complete nit, so it's easy to use that against him...
Hands Played: 22,140
Bankroll: £274.77
Profit/Loss: +£70.52
Poker Points: 643 (£5.14)
and yeah Lambert, short term means nothing )
How many times do you semi bluff and win with a FD )
How many times do you not go all in ?
such is life -_-
And yeah, we'll deffo be seeing each other cos I play 6 tables, and @ 8NL there's usually only about 6 tables running!