In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 4NL to 20NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 20NL within 12 months ------ Current Bankroll = £743.25 : All this stuff you say about poker and people 3 betting a narrow range, this is the essence of poker dude. Adjust, adapt, exploit - it's not easy unless your stacking fish tbh ) I could write you a book about tight robotic regs, but they are winners. Yes it's pretty predictable and boring and pretty much relies on coolers and stacking fish but hey cmon Paul how easy is it to adjust to someone that doesn't adjust. This stuff above is the fun in poker dude - your missing it ) Can I just say that for someone who does spreadsheets, thinks about c4p - and has grinded forever - Try not looking at your BR amount or any spreadshets for a month. Just play and concentrate on making good choices at the table. Look at hands etc.. examine them - go to deueces cracked try the 7 day trail - watch videos - may breath some life into your game and open your mind a bit Posted by rancid
Well yeah if only we could just stack fish all day lol. It's more frustration with myself a lot of the time, because you know yourself it can be a bit of a grind and I'm confident I'm better than most players at the levels I play like 90% of the time, but 10% of the time I have a lapse in concentration, stack off to a player who always has it and get so frustrated cos I've blown what it took an hour to grind up in 30 seconds. It's definitely a mental thing, there's no one to blame but me.
That last bit may be a decent idea, I'm fanatical about that kinda thing and it's really hard to stop, like even mid session I've mentally remembered how much I've topped up for etc so I havea rough idea of whether I'm up or down, gotta get out of that habit. Maybe click on hide balance for a month and never look for the whole month.
Oh by the way, I meant to reply to your post Benc. I meant 20 hours a month, not a week lol. I already do like 40 huors a week in work, add 20 hours poker per week + sleep and I don't think I'd ever see my girlfriend/kids lol.
Yeah a good amount of my roll has been built from playing HU SnGs, I'm sure I could go back to them, just dunno what I wannd ao atm. By the way, you've been doing pretty amazing in your diary, can't believe how quickly you've built a 4 figure roll!
simple answer is it is a lot lot easier than online. It is more swingy so if you are thinking of that you need to address the hurt losing a relatively small number of buy ins has caused you.
a low-mid game at a casino is beatable for a winning online player of cash (which you are) a nice home game if you can find one will be a lovely little goldmine for anybody with solid fundamentals.
i used to grind omaha cash online on another site for silly hours a few years back in the good old days. I was profitable (mainly from a superb cake deal) but was it fun no not in a million years.
these days i am certainly not a winning holdem player online at anything above nl10 but am quite happy to play nl100-200 or bigger in the home game or at certain casinos.
above all even if you play live a lot it is good fun
Cheers Bugaloo. Yeah I find playing live a million times for fun than I ever have online, and yeah I've thought about trying to get out to more live events (and get some cash in too) this year. I've played a few home games in my time, only played cash at a casino once, usually play MTTs if I'm going live.
I can handle the losing, although obviously losing at 100NL for instance would be new to me and would probably hurt a little at first. My tilt/frustration usually comes from being angry with myself after a slightly lapse in concentration for a minute causes me to pay off some nit reg robot when if I was fully focussed I could fold
lol dunno why i didn't consider that 20 hours a week was alot for someone in full time work with a normal life (as opposed to the slack student life i lead, although i dunno how my gf puts up with the hours i put in at times), makes alot more sense. Yeah it's going well but i think i have that same competitive side where it's never enough just want to get higher and higher, makes me a better player but also means that the lows always outweigh the highs, its a sick game. As i say i reckon getting back to crushing HUSNG and watching your scope grow will be good for your game and your confidence, you have 100bi for 5.25s and can easily beat that level.
Think it's too early to conclude 'you can't make money @ cash' Paul.
It's a knee jerk reaction to a bad session.
Splash has already mentioned a couple of the stack offs were total spew, and you've agreed with him.
That's nothing to do with ability.
If you give up on it now, think of all the time, effort and money (coaching) you will have wasted on trying to make it work. As a nit, surely you can't put that much in and then fold
Give it a few more months. Play more, post less, see if you can get somewhere.
I think they should bring back MC nl10 again or at least a deep table. As they removed them and i dont mind playing 200bb deep at 10nl, playing 200bbdeep at 20nl can tilit u so much when you're nt used to losing £40 pots. Hope you grind it back up. Fwiw i lost aout £140 odd he other day so withdrew and gonna restart again once its in the bank :P Have a few days break ur self and restart. Otherwise you start thinking "i need to get bk to £750 asap" i always got told poker is a never ending game and you have all the time to win you're money back. gl
I said the same to devonfish in a other thread i`ve played with both of you at cash many times before and you`s are more than capable of beating cash so don`t write it off just yet especially with a small sample.
also I think nearly us all have had sessions like you have no big deal it happens at least you were honest to yourself and admitted you tillted like 8bi`s away and did not cover it up by making excuses we learn from our mistakes and we move on and improve from them.
just take few days off and start bak at 10nl and play only 10nl for the month see how u get on.
Hey Liam yeah i think they got rid of them when tey had a revamp on the cash tables. Should def bring back the mc and deep 10nl. Mayb ill pm one of the sky people
Aint posted here for a little while. Still been playing but no cash (up until tonight), just had a few days of just playing whatever I feel like. Played some DYMs (dunno why but I fancied it lol), played some HU SnGs (sticking to Turbos to keep the variance down), and mostly MTTs.
1988man 226000 1 £157.92 + £90.59 Head Prizes 8 DZIONIS 0 2 £96.33 + £19.22 Head Prizes 4 lilzane 0 3 £59.33 + £5.86 Head Prizes 1 StayOrGo 0 4 £47.74 + £31.24 Head Prizes 5 127RIBEROT 0 5 £40.68 + £18.16 Head Prizes 2 Lambert180 0 6 £35.03 + £27.66 Head Prizes 6
Pretty sigh that one cos I had a great stack approaching the FT and ran into AA and KK (in the clinic) to leave me as the shorty on the FT. £5.75 Speed BH
omegga2 80000 1 £37 + £39.43 Head Prizes 10 aub 0 2 £22 + £3.76 Head Prizes 2 Baish 0 3 £15 + £5.64 Head Prizes 3 supersuper 0 4 £11 + £4.22 Head Prizes 2 Lambert180 0 5 £8 + £6.57 Head Prizes 3
Again a bit frustrating to not go deeper
Also got down to the final 3 today in one of them small speeds, can't remember if it was £30 or £50 GTD but down to final 3 with top 2 paid... stacks are 11k (me), 8k and 2k @ 200/400 and somehow I manage to bubble, have no idea how!! Started out by doubling up the shorty jamming BvB J9 into his QQ... always sickening when these people who just wait for hands get one just in the nick of time.
Decided to play some cash tonight too just to get back on the horse, try to go back to basics and get some confidence back. I recently downloaded a snes emulator and was playing that alongside my cash cos I wanted distraction to force me to play a bit tighter but couldn't be bothered mass tabling. Left the table with £50 odd quid (no top ups) so £30odd up there.
BR is £606 atm but I'm gonna take some advice, not post up my BR all the time/not check it all the time. Ignore all the stats/figures and just try to play well.
Did a live sweat with some of the other cash regs watching me tonight (Bearly, EP and Dohhhh). It was good fun, some helpful comments from two of 'em.... dunno where Dohhh disappeared to about 1 hour in.
Finished about £40 up on cash but played a few £5.25 Turbo HU SnGs on the side and won 1/3 so lost about £5 there so about +£35 for the day. Which nearly cancels out the -£40 ish day I had on cash the other day. Frustratingly about £15 of that £40 loss was courtesy of a misclick where I bet £21 instead of £2.10 (I posted this in the FB Forum DTD group).
I even mixed in 1 table of 30NL tonight where I finished +£15, all the same regs I usually see @ 20NL just mentally adjusting to the amounts involved which aren't that different to 20NL anyway.
BR = £597.66
P.S. Pingu - For some reason my points all seemed to come through at the end of the session so finished on about 1250 points.
Just wondering when did you stop playing on the 4p tables?
And what did you start with as a bank roll, to build it up?
I'm thinkin about leavin the cash games for a bit, cause it's so swingy. Was thinking about maybe sticking to £1 DYM, and some MTT's, one good run would really set me on the way.
And atleast it would be a bit more constant than just playing cash.
Well I did start out with just my £20 deposit to get where I am now but had a bit of luck early on to get me off to a good start. A few years ago on 861 they used to give away 1 ME seat rather than 4-5 mini seats which personally I thought was a lot better. Most people can afford £5 anyway, especially a lot of the people who post into the show but not everyone can afford to be playing £30-£50 MTTs on a regular basis. Anyway, I won entry to the Primo soon after starting here and mincashed for £50odd which helped.
I've played pretty much everything at some point or another. If you go back to Page 1 of this I was playing HU SnGs (Turbo ones) and think I had abuot £150ish when I started them.
I have grinded my way up the lower stakes cash, if you go down the cash route I'd recommend 2p/4p until you get to about £160 then try some 4p/8p but be prepared to move down if things don't start well. Imo 4p/8p is just as easy as 2p/4p but obviously things don't always go your way even when the opponents are terrible so if you lose like 4 BIs (£32) best to just step down for a bit.
The only thing I've never played loads of (surprisingly cos I think I'm quite good at them) is MTTs. In the last 3-4 years I've probably played less than 400 MTTs.
If you're decent which you seem to be, then DYMs are a good way of building a roll as long as you can afford to play £3.30s minimum because anything below that is 15%+ rake and the edge is too small in the games to be able to beat that kind of rake and walk away with much profit.
Alternatively you could play and I would recommend (in fact I did to someone else last night) playing HU SnGs. The rake is 5% on all games which isn't as great as some sites but much better than DYMs, you're still doubling your money same as a DYM but paying one third of the rake to do it (so the ROI is much better), playing terrible opponents and getting through games 10 times quicker.
I think it's pretty easy to develop a style to beat the low stakes HU SnGs on here cos most people that play them are just SO bad. PM if you want for advice, or if you go on FB or Skype, I can play a few HU games and screen share with you so you can see how they play.
Hey Paul, Just wondering when did you stop playing on the 4p tables? And what did you start with as a bank roll, to build it up? I'm thinkin about leavin the cash games for a bit, cause it's so swingy. Was thinking about maybe sticking to £1 DYM, and some MTT's, one good run would really set me on the way. And atleast it would be a bit more constant than just playing cash. Posted by LARSON7
He never ground his way through the cash. He is -£££ at cash, but managed some massively lucky binks in satellites which accounts for over £200 of his roll. I'd say he's up maybe £200 in years, if that.
^asking for advice off someone who doesn't win at cash and who wins a pathetic rate at everything else is bad IMO. even though he 'easily crushes' everything. without proving it.
I think they should bring back MC nl10 again or at least a deep table. As they removed them and i dont mind playing 200bb deep at 10nl, playing 200bbdeep at 20nl can tilit u so much when you're nt used to losing £40 pots. Hope you grind it back up. Fwiw i lost aout £140 odd he other day so withdrew and gonna restart again once its in the bank :P Have a few days break ur self and restart. Otherwise you start thinking "i need to get bk to £750 asap" i always got told poker is a never ending game and you have all the time to win you're money back. gl Posted by shaun09
i tougt this was just me i tilt so bad when i play 20nl.
but lambert i would suggest an buyin rule say two buyin per cash table if u go over leave.
judgin by ur posts it olny a matter of time before ur crushing cash
smitalol> read his 'diary' start to finish smitalol /> 'i know i'm easily better than 99% of the people at this level' smitalol /> etc smitalol /> little **** liamboi11 /> yeah maybe he thinks he better than most but I don`t, cos hes not, so y am i a mug
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That last bit may be a decent idea, I'm fanatical about that kinda thing and it's really hard to stop, like even mid session I've mentally remembered how much I've topped up for etc so I havea rough idea of whether I'm up or down, gotta get out of that habit. Maybe click on hide balance for a month and never look for the whole month.
Yeah a good amount of my roll has been built from playing HU SnGs, I'm sure I could go back to them, just dunno what I wannd ao atm. By the way, you've been doing pretty amazing in your diary, can't believe how quickly you've built a 4 figure roll!
I can handle the losing, although obviously losing at 100NL for instance would be new to me and would probably hurt a little at first. My tilt/frustration usually comes from being angry with myself after a slightly lapse in concentration for a minute causes me to pay off some nit reg robot when if I was fully focussed I could fold
Think it's too early to conclude 'you can't make money @ cash' Paul.
It's a knee jerk reaction to a bad session.
Splash has already mentioned a couple of the stack offs were total spew, and you've agreed with him.
That's nothing to do with ability.
If you give up on it now, think of all the time, effort and money (coaching) you will have wasted on trying to make it work. As a nit, surely you can't put that much in and then fold
Give it a few more months. Play more, post less, see if you can get somewhere.
Roll is still fine, gl.
Aint posted here for a little while. Still been playing but no cash (up until tonight), just had a few days of just playing whatever I feel like. Played some DYMs (dunno why but I fancied it lol), played some HU SnGs (sticking to Turbos to keep the variance down), and mostly MTTs.
Been running quite well in MTTs.
£5.50 FO
Lambert180 18000 1 £30
richie0710 0 2 £18
farahani 0 3 £12
£5.50 BH HU Shuffle
Lambert180 72500 1 £36.25 + £30.39 Head Prizes 8
£11 £1k BH
1988man 226000 1 £157.92 + £90.59 Head Prizes 8
DZIONIS 0 2 £96.33 + £19.22 Head Prizes 4
lilzane 0 3 £59.33 + £5.86 Head Prizes 1
StayOrGo 0 4 £47.74 + £31.24 Head Prizes 5
127RIBEROT 0 5 £40.68 + £18.16 Head Prizes 2
Lambert180 0 6 £35.03 + £27.66 Head Prizes 6
Pretty sigh that one cos I had a great stack approaching the FT and ran into AA and KK (in the clinic) to leave me as the shorty on the FT.
£5.75 Speed BH
omegga2 80000 1 £37 + £39.43 Head Prizes 10
aub 0 2 £22 + £3.76 Head Prizes 2
Baish 0 3 £15 + £5.64 Head Prizes 3
supersuper 0 4 £11 + £4.22 Head Prizes 2
Lambert180 0 5 £8 + £6.57 Head Prizes 3
Again a bit frustrating to not go deeper
Also got down to the final 3 today in one of them small speeds, can't remember if it was £30 or £50 GTD but down to final 3 with top 2 paid... stacks are 11k (me), 8k and 2k @ 200/400 and somehow I manage to bubble, have no idea how!! Started out by doubling up the shorty jamming BvB J9 into his QQ... always sickening when these people who just wait for hands get one just in the nick of time.
Decided to play some cash tonight too just to get back on the horse, try to go back to basics and get some confidence back. I recently downloaded a snes emulator and was playing that alongside my cash cos I wanted distraction to force me to play a bit tighter but couldn't be bothered mass tabling. Left the table with £50 odd quid (no top ups) so £30odd up there.
BR is £606 atm but I'm gonna take some advice, not post up my BR all the time/not check it all the time. Ignore all the stats/figures and just try to play well.
Finished about £40 up on cash but played a few £5.25 Turbo HU SnGs on the side and won 1/3 so lost about £5 there so about +£35 for the day. Which nearly cancels out the -£40 ish day I had on cash the other day. Frustratingly about £15 of that £40 loss was courtesy of a misclick where I bet £21 instead of £2.10 (I posted this in the FB Forum DTD group).
I even mixed in 1 table of 30NL tonight where I finished +£15, all the same regs I usually see @ 20NL just mentally adjusting to the amounts involved which aren't that different to 20NL anyway.
BR = £597.66
P.S. Pingu - For some reason my points all seemed to come through at the end of the session so finished on about 1250 points.
Hey Paul,
Just wondering when did you stop playing on the 4p tables?
And what did you start with as a bank roll, to build it up?
I'm thinkin about leavin the cash games for a bit, cause it's so swingy. Was thinking about maybe sticking to £1 DYM, and some MTT's, one good run would really set me on the way.
And atleast it would be a bit more constant than just playing cash.
I've played pretty much everything at some point or another. If you go back to Page 1 of this I was playing HU SnGs (Turbo ones) and think I had abuot £150ish when I started them.
I have grinded my way up the lower stakes cash, if you go down the cash route I'd recommend 2p/4p until you get to about £160 then try some 4p/8p but be prepared to move down if things don't start well. Imo 4p/8p is just as easy as 2p/4p but obviously things don't always go your way even when the opponents are terrible so if you lose like 4 BIs (£32) best to just step down for a bit.
The only thing I've never played loads of (surprisingly cos I think I'm quite good at them) is MTTs. In the last 3-4 years I've probably played less than 400 MTTs.
If you're decent which you seem to be, then DYMs are a good way of building a roll as long as you can afford to play £3.30s minimum because anything below that is 15%+ rake and the edge is too small in the games to be able to beat that kind of rake and walk away with much profit.
Alternatively you could play and I would recommend (in fact I did to someone else last night) playing HU SnGs. The rake is 5% on all games which isn't as great as some sites but much better than DYMs, you're still doubling your money same as a DYM but paying one third of the rake to do it (so the ROI is much better), playing terrible opponents and getting through games 10 times quicker.
I think it's pretty easy to develop a style to beat the low stakes HU SnGs on here cos most people that play them are just SO bad. PM if you want for advice, or if you go on FB or Skype, I can play a few HU games and screen share with you so you can see how they play.
smitalol /> 'i know i'm easily better than 99% of the people at this level'
smitalol /> etc
smitalol /> little ****
liamboi11 /> yeah maybe he thinks he better than most but I don`t, cos hes not, so y am i a mug