craigcu12 diary.

calcalfold

But you didnt know he had a set of aces until show down.

And the fact villian had aces and what they did with them is totally irrelevant when considering how to play that hand most optimally, or any hand for that matter.

You are losing to AA and JK alone, and then then you have the redraw vs JK.

Bet, raise, go nuts!!!!! So many worse hands will call you down and even stack off - this is 4nl!!!

craigcu12

i was watching the sky poker tv and i think tk is right with what he says. people seem to be always trying to trap. the number of times i see AA-JJ limping in and sets just waiting until the river. it's no wonder bad beat happen.
as for myself well i believe that if i am OTB i can call with most hands because even when they have already put most money into the pot some will still see the need to fold a raise or shove.

scorpio006	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.25
potty116	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.42
	Your hole cards	J A
dso260	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£3.45
LoveChops	Fold
x	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£3.59
scorpio006	Fold
potty116	Fold
Flop
		10 Q 2
craigcu12	Bet		£0.19	£0.57	£3.26
x	Call		£0.19	£0.76	£3.40
Turn
		K
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£0.57	£1.33	£2.83
craigcu12	Call		£0.57	£1.90	£2.69
River
		4
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£1.44	£3.34	£1.39
craigcu12	All-in		£2.69	£6.03	£0.00
x	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£4.42		£4.42
craigcu12	Return		£1.25	£0.36	£5.67

craigcu12

In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary:

But you didnt know he had a set of aces until show down. And the fact villian had aces and what they did with them is totally irrelevant when considering how to play that hand most optimally, or any hand for that matter. You are losing to AA and JK alone, and then then you have the redraw vs JK. Bet, raise, go nuts!!!!! So many worse hands will call you down and even stack off - this is 4nl!!!
Posted by calcalfold

if you think so many worst hands will call me down then can you explain to me why i keep getting folds to most my bets and raises

WhodaThunk	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.64
toddy23	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£11.34
	Your hole cards	7 10
bokata	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£6.81
DoyleBrun	Fold
WhodaThunk	Fold
toddy23	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£11.22
Flop
		3 Q 4
toddy23	Bet		£0.08	£0.42	£11.14
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.58	£6.65
toddy23	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.46		£7.11
craigcu12	Return		£0.08	£0.04	£7.19

golden7613	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.46
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.63
	Your hole cards	8 4
ArfurDaley	Fold
wiganway	Fold
Ky11ar	Fold
x	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£3.84
golden7613	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£4.51
Flop
		Q 4 8
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£0.20	£0.54	£3.64
craigcu12	Raise		£0.94	£1.48	£3.57
x	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.68		£4.25
craigcu12	Return		£0.74	£0.06	£4.99

Glorf1ndel	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.11
i_HitLots	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.72
clubhammer	Sit out
	Your hole cards	6 8
Whitstar	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.73
mrmark7522	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.65
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.34	£2.93
Glorf1ndel	Call		£0.18	£0.52	£8.93
i_HitLots	Fold
Whitstar	Call		£0.16	£0.68	£3.57
mrmark7522	Fold
Flop
		3 J 7
Glorf1ndel	Check
Whitstar	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.34	£1.02	£2.59
Glorf1ndel	Fold
Whitstar	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.62		£3.21
craigcu12	Return		£0.34	£0.06	£3.55

calcalfold

"if you think so many worst hands will call me down then can you explain to me why i keep getting folds to most my bets and raises"

What is wrong with winning a small pot.

Unless you have the mortal nuts, the sole objective in every hand is not to create a huge pot.

It is making the right decision.

You might not agree, but imo the best thing to do in both the QQ and KK hand is to bet when you are likely to be ahead (granted you were not with QQ, but thats irrelevant). You bet to make people pay for draws with incorrect odds.

Letting people chase free draws is totally the worse play.

If they fold then great, you won the pot.

Anybody want to add to this, either letting myself or craig know who is correct?

Tintin / Lambert specifcally.

craigcu12

what i find most confusing is why do villians call a flop but then make a fold on the turn even if that card was a blank
here for instance what differance has that 2h make to the board other than improved 22?

x	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.04
TINTIN	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.02
	Your hole cards	9 9
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£11.74
Flushpair	Fold
x	Call		£0.14	£0.36	£2.90
TINTIN	Fold
Flop
		3 J 7
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.18	£0.54	£11.56
x	Call		£0.18	£0.72	£2.72
Turn
		2
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.36	£1.08	£11.20
x	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.66		£11.86
craigcu12	Return		£0.36	£0.06	£12.22

if you think that i don't show aggression well i do know when to be mega aggressive this hand proves it

0602	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.98
x	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.82
	Your hole cards	9 9
jimbo111	Fold
fishsmoke	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.27
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£3.60
usoges24	Fold
0602	Fold
x	Call		£0.12	£0.38	£3.70
fishsmoke	Call		£0.12	£0.50	£5.15
Flop
		10 9 7
x	Check
fishsmoke	Bet		£0.38	£0.88	£4.77
craigcu12	Raise		£1.01	£1.89	£2.59
x	All-in		£3.70	£5.59	£0.00
fishsmoke	Fold
craigcu12	All-in		£2.59	£8.18	£0.00
x	Unmatched bet		£0.10	£8.08	£0.10
x	Show	2 10
craigcu12	Show	9 9
Turn
		J
River
		3
craigcu12	Win	Three 9s	£7.47		£7.47

here i went for a shove easily

bogavill21	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.02
	Your hole cards	Q Q
Scratville	Fold
ladd02	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.64
BLUECAT	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.86
bogavill21	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.30	£2.86
ladd02	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£5.48
BLUECAT	Call		£0.16	£0.62	£4.70
Flop
		9 2 10
craigcu12	Bet		£0.31	£0.93	£2.55
ladd02	Raise		£0.62	£1.55	£4.86
BLUECAT	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.31	£1.86	£2.24
Turn
		2
craigcu12	All-in		£2.24	£4.10	£0.00
ladd02	Call		£2.24	£6.34	£2.62
craigcu12	Show	Q Q
ladd02	Show	10 J
River
		A
craigcu12	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 2s	£5.86		£5.86

calcalfold

First hand could easily be floating 2 non J broadway cards to see if they hit the turn. or to see if you were just making a standard continuation on the flop and giving up the turn.

Generally what I would credit there. or second pair perhaps, hoping you to check back the turn

Any number of things depending on villain.

NColley

You post far too many hands. I dunno how much time you spend going through each pot and posting but it prob adds up to a lot over the course of a week. Spend this time more wisely by studying properly to improve your game. It's fine to post some hands but a lot of your hands aren't really interesting especially with it being 4nl and all that jazz.

LARSON7

Hey Craig,

It's your diary mate, post whatever you want/ what hands you feel are interesting to you and others.

Good luck, hope is going well with you

craigcu12

In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary:

You post far too many hands. I dunno how much time you spend going through each pot and posting but it prob adds up to a lot over the course of a week. Spend this time more wisely by studying properly to improve your game. It's fine to post some hands but a lot of your hands aren't really interesting especially with it being 4nl and all that jazz.
Posted by NColley

them hands i posted from from the AJ onwards were just for calford really.
the main hands i posted for interest on this page was the QQ which i thing i went too aggressively on the turn the quads because it is basically a rare hand  TBH i could have posted another quad kings because i did get two in one day and missed out on a 3rd. the 33 i posted as i believe it was a good bit of play and allowed me to hit a straight.

craigcu12

i decided to play a few MTT today and managed to do quite well in them
first i entered the £500BH BI 5.75 and finished 7th winning £14.77 + HP£6.32 from two heads i also decided to play in the £500BH for BI 2.30 finished 25th winning £2.16+HP £1.69 2heads and i went into the £200hurricane BH for 3.45 finished 7th in that winning 7.57 +HP £3.94 2heads.
in my cash games i made a profit of £4.43 due to one table getting a loss of £10.83 their was one table i was constantly seeming to get good starting hands and i started off well with this A6sOTB

TINTIN	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
Dragonix	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.00
	Your hole cards	6 A
x	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£7.59
ohidiho	Fold
slandphil	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.01
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.34	£3.74
TINTIN	Fold
Dragonix	Call		£0.16	£0.50	£3.84
x	Call		£0.16	£0.66	£7.43
slandphil	Call		£0.16	£0.82	£1.85
Flop
		Q 7 3
Dragonix	Check
x	Check
slandphil	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.41	£1.23	£3.33
Dragonix	Fold
x	Call		£0.41	£1.64	£7.02
slandphil	Fold
Turn
		4
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.40	£2.04	£2.93
x	Call		£0.40	£2.44	£6.62
River
		5
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£1.22	£3.66	£1.71
x	Call		£1.22	£4.88	£5.40
craigcu12	Show	6 A
x	Muck	K Q
craigcu12	Win	Straight to the 7	£4.51		£6.22

on that table i was constantly getting premium hands with 4  out of 8 hands hand getting me AKs AKs AQs and KK overall that table wone me £7 overall my table winnings added up to £21.65  while the losses were -£17.22
as for my hand history
the winnings were
£4.40
£3.81 £3.60  £3
£2-£3 6 hands
£1-£2 10 hands
losses were
£1-£2 7 hands
£2.01 £2.69
£3.26 £3.33 £3.56
£4.78 £4.04
£5.35
ii think i should have looked more carefully with this hand rather than just my own straight another thing this hand did too was cause me to get timed out with QQ so i folded that preflop although it was folded all the way to the BB so i would probably only won 6p with the QQ

wayne1958	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.09
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.31
	Your hole cards	8 7
JAM888	Fold
BLUECAT	Fold
daz69	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£4.35
philc8502	Call		£0.08	£0.22	£6.01
wayne1958	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.04	£0.26	£5.27
Flop
		6 9 10
craigcu12	Bet		£0.13	£0.39	£5.14
daz69	Call		£0.13	£0.52	£4.22
philc8502	Call		£0.13	£0.65	£5.88
Turn
		4
craigcu12	Check
daz69	Check
philc8502	Check
River
		K
craigcu12	Check
daz69	Check
philc8502	Bet		£0.80	£1.45	£5.08
craigcu12	Raise		£3.05	£4.50	£2.09
daz69	Fold
philc8502	Raise		£4.50	£9.00	£0.58
craigcu12	All-in		£2.09	£11.09	£0.00
philc8502	Unmatched bet		£0.16	£10.93	£0.74
craigcu12	Show	8 7
philc8502	Show	Q J
philc8502	Win	Straight to the King	£10.11		£10.85

craigcu12

as for my BR today it is £137.42

craigcu12

it's not very often i expect to be folding AKs but from the looks of this i can't even see him holding QQ or KK because i have seen how tight he normally is and when i consider how big our cash stacks were i got the feeling he saw this as a chance to get a mega win while i was chasing a flush straight or KK with AKs/o and a set with QQ and KK.
i have to admit that i would have even folded KK and QQ here not once could i remember him reraising or jamming right away before this one and i even saw him just check call KK on a flop that had an A on it.

Glorf1ndel	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£7.03
x	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£8.20
	Your hole cards	K A
truelove	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.52
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£10.91
beepy	Fold
Glorf1ndel	Call		£0.18	£0.48	£6.85
x	All-in		£8.20	£8.68	£0.00
truelove	Fold
craigcu12	Fold
Glorf1ndel	Fold
x	Muck

craigcu12

thing today went quite well but i did do a few bad mistake which cost me bigoverall i won £12.13 with 12 tables winning a total of £28.71 while i lost a total of £16.58 on 11 tables
as for my hand history that went like this
losses were
£5.88 £5.63 and £5.30
£4.25
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 13 hands
my winnings were
£4.80 £4.66
£3-£4 4hands
£2-£3 10 hands
£1-£2 19 hands
my worst ones were
on the flop i thought he could be holding AK but when he does another bet on the turn i think i should just fold it now

RIVERACE0	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.25
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.84
	Your hole cards	6 6
shunto69	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.31
stfc_1953	Fold
RIVERACE0	Raise		£0.18	£0.28	£9.07
craigcu12	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£5.68
shunto69	Call		£0.16	£0.60	£2.15
Flop
		5 2 5
RIVERACE0	Bet		£0.60	£1.20	£8.47
craigcu12	Call		£0.60	£1.80	£5.08
shunto69	Fold
Turn
		J
RIVERACE0	Bet		£0.90	£2.70	£7.57
craigcu12	Raise		£1.80	£4.50	£3.28
RIVERACE0	All-in		£7.57	£12.07	£0.00
craigcu12	All-in		£3.28	£15.35	£0.00
RIVERACE0	Unmatched bet		£3.39	£11.96	£3.39
RIVERACE0	Show	J J
craigcu12	Show	6 6
River
		7
RIVERACE0	Win	Full House, Jacks and 5s	£11.06		£14.45

if i am going to fold AKs preflop i should be know here i am still probably behind i might hold a set and flush draw but when he check raises he must have had a flush

craigcu12	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£10.18
AyrGraeme	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.11
	Your hole cards	A A
walesboy	Fold
Funky17	Fold
always4551	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.26
craigcu12	Raise		£0.18	£0.28	£10.00
AyrGraeme	Fold
always4551	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£5.10
Flop
		2 7 K
craigcu12	Bet		£0.22	£0.66	£9.78
always4551	Raise		£0.44	£1.10	£4.66
craigcu12	Call		£0.22	£1.32	£9.56
Turn
		A
craigcu12	Check
always4551	Bet		£0.99	£2.31	£3.67
craigcu12	All-in		£9.56	£11.87	£0.00
always4551	All-in		£3.67	£15.54	£0.00
craigcu12	Unmatched bet		£4.90	£10.64	£4.90
craigcu12	Show	A A
always4551	Show	4 Q
River
		9
always4551	Win	Flush to the King	£9.84		£9.84

another reason why that hand was badly play was i already hand a simular one earlier

Cranzilla	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.53
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.21
	Your hole cards	8 8
JAM888	Fold
tc2713206	Fold
emad1960	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.72
45ten	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£8.52
Cranzilla	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.30	£4.05
emad1960	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£4.56
45ten	Call		£0.16	£0.62	£8.36
Flop
		6 8 10
craigcu12	Bet		£0.31	£0.93	£3.74
emad1960	Raise		£0.62	£1.55	£3.94
45ten	Fold
craigcu12	All-in		£3.74	£5.29	£0.00
emad1960	All-in		£3.94	£9.23	£0.00
emad1960	Unmatched bet		£0.51	£8.72	£0.51
craigcu12	Show	8 8
emad1960	Show	K J
Turn
		3
River
		7
emad1960	Win	Flush to the King	£8.06		£8.57

as for the rest of the losses they were mainly down to bad luck including AKs loosing to AJ.
AKo getting rivered when J9 called a flop AJ3 and hit his 9

craigcu12

my BR stands at £147

The_Don90

hi craig not really read much or your diary thought id have a quick read. gl. 

The 66 hand i see no need to go broke without very specific reads. you say above you thought he'd have AK, i think this is a mistake long term. 

UL with rest. 

calcalfold

Sorry, but your still in the same mentality and its not always bad luck.

Like that hand where you flopped a straight, imo bet too small on the flop is a little mistake, and not betting on the turn is a MASSIVE mistake.

Forget about your issues with thinking people will fold (so what) lets look at specifics

On that hand, you did this

Flop - holding the best possible hand - bet small
turn - holding thr best possible hand - check
river - holding the second best possible hand  - ship it all in

furthermore lots of players will pay lots to chase draws or call down random pairs. All your doing by shipping the river is making it easy to fold when they missed (gain no value here), and letting them stack you when they hit a better hand.

just wtf??

I bet made hands like a nutter (pretty much turning them face up to anybody with one iota of common sense), and through not much volume am up £85odd this month so pretty good evidence that people dont fold. It is the best way to crush 4nl and you need to stop thinking otherwise.

I wish you the best, but will not bring up this point again. to be honest I am being generous repeating this for a second time.

And the 66 hand, at 4nl set mine/fold is just so much simpler. Fold the flop, you are put them one thin hand that you could beat, no need to get creative, possibly call a weak continutation bet, but fold after that if they show strength.

TINTIN

i really like the way ive played all the hands my name appears, fold fold fold fold lol. right enough of the jokes.

the 66 hand is a bit of a car crash, youve played to set mine but then fell in love with an low overpair. theres some instances you can call a c bet there and evaluate the turn in position to the original raiser but here they have potted the flop and you still have another player to act behind you. the pot bet here usually signals big pair. as played yiu need to ask yourself honestly why you min raised the turn, you are never getting called by worse here and you have turned your hand into a bluff. the ship should have told you you were behind and there was no need to stick the rest in.

i agree with calcalfolds post above, flop straight donk bet then check the turn, you got to keep firing there. its a bad run out and i do my conkers in the hand but in a completely different way to how you played it. you get most of the value from players on the flop and the turn when they still think theres a card that can make them their hand, on the river theres no more cards and if they cant make a strongish hand then they aint paying off bets.

"I bet made hands like a nutter (pretty much turning them face up to anybody with one iota of common sense)" take note of this statement, it rings so true. 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary:

Sorry, but your still in the same mentality and its not always bad luck. Like that hand where you flopped a straight, imo bet too small on the flop is a little mistake, and not betting on the turn is a MASSIVE mistake. Forget about your issues with thinking people will fold (so what) lets look at specifics On that hand, you did this Flop - holding the best possible hand - bet small turn - holding thr best possible hand - check river - holding the second best possible hand   - ship it all in furthermore lots of players will pay lots to chase draws or call down random pairs. All your doing by shipping the river is making it easy to fold when they missed (gain no value here), and letting them stack you when they hit a better hand. just wtf?? I bet made hands like a nutter (pretty much turning them face up to anybody with one iota of common sense), and through not much volume am up £85odd this month so pretty good evidence that people dont fold. It is the best way to crush 4nl and you need to stop thinking otherwise. I wish you the best, but will not bring up this point again. to be honest I am being generous repeating this for a second time. And the 66 hand, at 4nl set mine/fold is just so much simpler. Fold the flop, you are put them one thin hand that you could beat, no need to get creative, possibly call a weak continutation bet, but fold after that if they show strength.
Posted by calcalfold

I dont know craigs issues, so wont comment on that.

However this has to be the best post ive seen you post, never mind that, its probably one of the best ive seen on NL4 strategy for a long time. 

craigcu12

what i am going to start doing is noting down which villian are aggressive and which are passive because that is what i am thinking causes all this.
if a villian is aggressive then i know i can check the turn

socks781	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.46
PoKerr2222	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£8.08
	Your hole cards	K K
Quadriga	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.74
MDFA	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£3.79
x	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£2.97
socks781	Call		£0.18	£0.68	£3.28
PoKerr2222	Fold
Quadriga	Call		£0.16	£0.84	£1.58
Flop
		5 K A
socks781	Check
Quadriga	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.20	£1.04	£3.59
x	Call		£0.20	£1.24	£2.77
socks781	Fold
Quadriga	Fold
Turn
		6
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£0.62	£1.86	£2.15
craigcu12	Call		£0.62	£2.48	£2.97
River
		3
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£1.24	£3.72	£0.91
craigcu12	All-in		£2.97	£6.69	£0.00

but in them other hands where the villians are going to wait until they hit then make a bet i know i will have to do bets every street.

The_Don90

Stop checking just BET!!!!