In Response to Re: craigcu12 diary : i do...i'm having the same problem atm. i tend to usually get off to a bad start for some reason losing big hands v big hands then it settles down to something like normal,and then i usually win it back,showing a good profit on each table. i also top up all the time as i like to lose the maximum whenever possible. lol it is surprising how the little 22p here and 18p there,etc all add up. so in my case anyway,can't speak for Craig obviously,it seems like a vicious circle. (* *) ^ dev Posted by devonfish5
+1 like devon says i will usually have needed to top up again either before i even started. or like friday getting so unlucky from things ike this
Well obv that kind of hand is not the problem, they are hitting quads so rarely its totally +ve your play.
I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here.
Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it.
A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot.
Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead.
Well obv that kind of hand is not the problem, they are hitting quads so rarely its totally +ve your play. I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here. Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it. A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot. Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead. Posted by calcalfold
it is down to bad luck or hard to spot hands
craigcu12
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£0.02
£0.02
£4.10
mrmobius
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£5.42
Your hole cards
8
8
dini1984
Fold
Chiddy2114
Fold
mojo1
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.71
dale1965
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£6.81
craigcu12
Call
£0.02
£0.16
£4.08
mrmobius
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Flop
Q
8
K
craigcu12
Bet
£0.12
£0.28
£3.96
mrmobius
Fold
mojo1
Fold
dale1965
Raise
£0.42
£0.70
£6.39
craigcu12
Raise
£1.05
£1.75
£2.91
dale1965
Raise
£1.50
£3.25
£4.89
craigcu12
All-in
£2.91
£6.16
£0.00
dale1965
Call
£2.16
£8.32
£2.73
craigcu12
Show
8
8
dale1965
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10
J
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A
Groper607
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£0.02
£0.02
£1.91
liane17
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£0.04
£0.06
£1.98
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J
J
emad1960
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£6.06
spursutd
Fold
connaig
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£10.34
craigcu12
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£0.20
£0.34
£3.80
Groper607
Call
£0.18
£0.52
£1.73
liane17
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emad1960
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connaig
Call
£0.16
£0.68
£10.18
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4
7
9
Groper607
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connaig
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.51
£1.19
£3.29
Groper607
Fold
connaig
Call
£0.51
£1.70
£9.67
Turn
Q
connaig
Bet
£1.70
£3.40
£7.97
craigcu12
Call
£1.70
£5.10
£1.59
River
K
connaig
Check
craigcu12
All-in
£1.59
£6.69
£0.00
connaig
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£1.59
£8.28
£6.38
connaig
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9
4
craigcu12
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J
J
it is main down to bad luck because like i said on friday lots of them big losses were from villians who held weak hands or jammed and hit the lucky card JJv 94 i lost kkvs36s but i lost as he hit two pair and AKo vs AJo AK lost on friday the only heavy losses which would happen most times were AKsvs KK and 1010vs JJ on a 9 high flop.
"it is main down to bad luck because like i said on friday lots of them big losses were from villians who held weak hands or jammed and hit the lucky card"
Dude. no
The above hand with jacks, you played it bad. Fact. Please understand this. Stop blaming "luck" and "villans with weak hands"
FWIW what did you pot villain on when you called the turn and shoved the river?
Logically villain must have had a hand that beat a pair of queens, or else he wouldnt have donked out a pot bet on the turn, would he!? Futhermore why are you then shipping the river? There are so so so many hands that beat you, and hardly any worse hands that are calling. Scratch that. There are no worse hands that are calling.
Lets cut to brass tacks, you shipped the river because you refused to lay down jacks out of imo pure defiance, and didnt know where you were and didnt want to face a tough decision if (when) villain shipped had you checked. Am I right or am I right.....
I do pretty well at 4nl, and I think I play a good ABC game. It would be a cold day in **** before I even considered calling that turn bet. Let alone shove the river.
All these players that have "weak holdings" will play hands with me just as much as they play with you. I think the difference is, I have the ability to fold hands that might look pretty, but are clearly beat.
Please take this in the constructive way that it was written.
with that hand i did not have a clue because A he just called preflop and the flop and when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ. the point i am saying is this is mainly guess work because far to often bets are made later on. as for my donk on the river that came after the villian had already checked so i could not see him holding a flush and most these villians don't build the pots with draws only once they hit the flush the build them up and the number of villians i see fold as soon as they see a bet made when the flush hits i just went with a bluff. but that hand TBH should have lost me most my money because had he made a bet right away i would have certainly reraised because he could have held A9 or 1010 or even went for a semi bluff. if you think i don't have the ability to fold then look at this the chances are i didn't know that villian well. but i do fold some strong hands.
JJJS01
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£0.02
£3.59
craigcu12
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£0.04
£0.06
£5.71
Your hole cards
A
A
cus2
Fold
snaptilt
Fold
JJJS01
Call
£0.02
£0.08
£3.57
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.24
£5.55
JJJS01
Call
£0.16
£0.40
£3.41
Flop
Q
8
7
JJJS01
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.30
£0.70
£5.25
JJJS01
Call
£0.30
£1.00
£3.11
Turn
3
JJJS01
Check
craigcu12
Bet
£0.50
£1.50
£4.75
JJJS01
Raise
£1.00
£2.50
£2.11
craigcu12
Call
£0.50
£3.00
£4.25
River
8
JJJS01
All-in
£2.11
£5.11
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
i hold an over pair and the board pairs but i still make a fold. here is another example
overall my progress today was up by £1.43 as for my hand history these were my losses £4.80 A9 vs 45 board was 239A it went all in on the turn 3.73 QQvs AA preflop £2.99 £2.90 QQvs88 £2.27 a bluff that failed £1-£2 6 hands as for my wins £4.04 £3.28 £3.03 £2-£3 5 hands £1-£2 8 hands
"when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ."
I think you need to appreciate that most other players are not thinking at level 2, most 4nl players will be thinking at level 1. He knows his hand and bets accordingly, your hand isnt given consideration.
Plus of course, on the turn, he is beating AA and KK anyway.
Oh, and if your not sure what I mean, google "levels of poker thought".
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And FWIW
Im never folding Kings on that JT7,
Could easily be a draw or a top pair scared of a draw.
Never heard of that player so im calling there everytime.
thing at the minute don't look too good and today i lost £12 which TBH is quite suprising when i have managed to get more winning hands over £1 than losses over £1 winnings £3.22 £2-£3 4 hands £1-£2 19 hands losses £3.75 £2.39 £2.10 £1-£2 11 hands TBH i think it is one of two possibilities i am either being to scare with my bets or calling too many of the min raises from the BB.
LARSON7
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£0.02
£6.26
craigcu12
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£7.01
Your hole cards
Q
A
Big_Baz49
Fold
Hawks62
Fold
Pavillion
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£5.37
davies1876
Call
£0.04
£0.14
£3.69
LARSON7
Call
£0.02
£0.16
£6.24
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.32
£6.85
Pavillion
Call
£0.16
£0.48
£5.21
davies1876
Call
£0.16
£0.64
£3.53
LARSON7
Fold
Flop
8
Q
3
craigcu12
Bet
£0.48
£1.12
£6.37
Pavillion
Call
£0.48
£1.60
£4.73
davies1876
Fold
Turn
7
craigcu12
Bet
£0.80
£2.40
£5.57
Pavillion
Call
£0.80
£3.20
£3.93
River
8
craigcu12
Check
Pavillion
Check
craigcu12
Show
Q
A
Pavillion
Muck
9
Q
craigcu12
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 8s
£2.96
£8.53
here an 8 might have came on the river but as value bets are so rare i might a well have still made a small bet. same can probably be said with this one
my best hand today was my QQQAA because atleast i did not let the risk of him holding AA AQ A2 A10 prevent me doubling my stack from those weaker hands that would still call
today i don't seem to be doing as bad with things and managed to win £3.26 and £7.88 on two of my 5 tables i did loose £6.80 on one table but the main cause was QQvAA allin preflop and set vs straight on the turn. the hand i liked best was this
bokata
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£0.02
£4.46
sunny1988
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£0.06
£3.04
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A
J
dersili
Fold
coco521
Fold
x
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£6.01
craigcu12
Call
£0.08
£0.22
£3.26
bokata
Fold
sunny1988
Call
£0.04
£0.26
£3.00
Flop
6
J
K
sunny1988
Check
x
Bet
£0.13
£0.39
£5.88
craigcu12
Call
£0.13
£0.52
£3.13
sunny1988
Fold
Turn
5
x
Bet
£0.52
£1.04
£5.36
craigcu12
Call
£0.52
£1.56
£2.61
River
2
x
Bet
£0.56
£2.12
£4.80
craigcu12
Raise
£1.90
£4.02
£0.71
x
Fold
craigcu12
Muck
craigcu12
Win
£2.47
£3.18
craigcu12
Return
£1.34
£0.21
£4.52
knowing how rare villians do bets with draws so called the flop and turn then used that 3rd diamond as a chance to bluff the river.
my week end might have been bad but today things have been much better. although i lost 3.29 in the mini BH my cash tables won me 9.91 so overall i have gained 6.29 today my £1+ hand history winning and losses today were losses-£3.89, £3.76, £2.97, £2.40 £1.15 and £1.05 the profits were £3.26 £2.49 £2.48 £2.32 £1-£2 12 hands
the big losses i did get today were nearly all bad luck the only questionable one was this
after starting off so well this afternoon managing to only get 1 loss over £1 in comparison to 8 winnings over£1 tonight was awful. my BR has finished at £100.64 The hand history was losses of £4.82 £3.84 £2-£3 5 hands £1-£2 9 hands the winnings were £4.26 £3.59 £2-£3 4 hands £1-£2 10 hands with the last two hours getting me losses of £3.84 £2.15 £2.08 and 4 hands between £1-£2 while my wins were just £1.48 £1.32 and £1.20
their are three hand which probably reveal why things went wrong.
george3286
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£0.02
£0.02
£2.96
SINGA
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£0.04
£0.06
£2.89
Your hole cards
A
10
x
Raise
£0.16
£0.22
£3.81
craigcu12
Call
£0.16
£0.38
£3.30
george3286
Fold
SINGA
Fold
Flop
J
10
3
x
Bet
£0.19
£0.57
£3.62
craigcu12
Call
£0.19
£0.76
£3.11
Turn
6
x
Bet
£0.38
£1.14
£3.24
craigcu12
Call
£0.38
£1.52
£2.73
River
3
x
Bet
£0.76
£2.28
£2.48
craigcu12
Call
£0.76
£3.04
£1.97
HolyCowzz
Show
K
Q
craigcu12
Show
A
10
craigcu12
Win
Two Pairs, 10s and 3s
£2.81
£4.78
LuvNuts
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£2.72
Pavillion
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£6.53
Your hole cards
Q
K
x
Raise
£0.08
£0.14
£8.28
craigcu12
Raise
£0.20
£0.34
£3.64
LuvNuts
Fold
Pavillion
Call
£0.16
£0.50
£6.37
x
Call
£0.12
£0.62
£8.16
Flop
10
2
Q
Pavillion
Check
x
Bet
£0.62
£1.24
£7.54
craigcu12
Call
£0.62
£1.86
£3.02
Pavillion
Fold
Turn
K
x
Bet
£1.86
£3.72
£5.68
craigcu12
All-in
£3.02
£6.74
£0.00
x
Call
£1.16
£7.90
£4.52
x
Show
J
9
craigcu12
Show
Q
K
River
6
x
Win
Straight to the King
£7.30
£11.82
Scratville
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£4.88
y
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.42
Your hole cards
K
Q
x
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£2.60
narked
Fold
craigcu12
Raise
£0.16
£0.26
£2.45
wilfilson1
Fold
Scratville
Fold
y
Call
£0.12
£0.38
£2.30
x
Call
£0.12
£0.50
£2.48
Flop
Q
10
3
y
Bet
£0.50
£1.00
£1.80
x
All-in
£2.48
£3.48
£0.00
craigcu12
Fold
y
All-in
£1.80
£5.28
£0.00
x
Unmatched bet
£0.18
£5.10
£0.18
y
Show
9
Q
x
Show
5
K
Turn
K
River
10
during the day it seems rare for a villian to bet with his draws and if he does bet it is just the minimum so with these hand i went with the J9 being an over pair or QJ QK the KQ i was think would be Jx and the K5s i could only see that being Q10. but i guess at night villian are much more aggressive and have a much wider hand range that includes draws too.
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like devon says i will usually have needed to top up again either before i even started. or like friday getting so unlucky from things ike this
I can only assume there is some kind of underlying leak in your game. Probably in hands you think are insignificant and you dont post here.
Im sure it would be a pain, but if you were to write down every two cards you entered a pot with (and the amount and the position) I am pretty sure the leak would become clear. As I said, a lot of work, but if you cannot work out where you are losing money - this would probably highlight it.
A winning player is not only one that maximises their winnings when they have the best hand, it is a person that can realise when they are not, and save their chips for a better spot.
Perhaps you need to address the TAG aspect. Get even tighter when you have a marginal hand and even more aggressive when you are likely ahead.
JJv 94 i lost kkvs36s but i lost as he hit two pair and AKo vs AJo AK lost
on friday the only heavy losses which would happen most times were AKsvs KK and 1010vs JJ on a 9 high flop.
Dude. no
The above hand with jacks, you played it bad. Fact. Please understand this. Stop blaming "luck" and "villans with weak hands"
FWIW what did you pot villain on when you called the turn and shoved the river?
Logically villain must have had a hand that beat a pair of queens, or else he wouldnt have donked out a pot bet on the turn, would he!? Futhermore why are you then shipping the river? There are so so so many hands that beat you, and hardly any worse hands that are calling. Scratch that. There are no worse hands that are calling.
Lets cut to brass tacks, you shipped the river because you refused to lay down jacks out of imo pure defiance, and didnt know where you were and didnt want to face a tough decision if (when) villain shipped had you checked. Am I right or am I right.....
I do pretty well at 4nl, and I think I play a good ABC game. It would be a cold day in **** before I even considered calling that turn bet. Let alone shove the river.
All these players that have "weak holdings" will play hands with me just as much as they play with you. I think the difference is, I have the ability to fold hands that might look pretty, but are clearly beat.
Please take this in the constructive way that it was written.
with that hand i did not have a clue because A he just called preflop and the flop and when he goes on to bet the turn ok he might hold a Q but why does he go so big when their is still a chance i could hold AA KK or QQ.
the point i am saying is this is mainly guess work because far to often bets are made later on. as for my donk on the river that came after the villian had already checked so i could not see him holding a flush and most these villians don't build the pots with draws only once they hit the flush the build them up and the number of villians i see fold as soon as they see a bet made when the flush hits i just went with a bluff. but that hand TBH should have lost me most my money because had he made a bet right away i would have certainly reraised because he could have held A9 or 1010 or even went for a semi bluff.
if you think i don't have the ability to fold then look at this
the chances are i didn't know that villian well.
but i do fold some strong hands.
here is another example
some villians do donk with nothing
as for my hand history these were my losses
£4.80 A9 vs 45 board was 239A it went all in on the turn
3.73 QQvs AA preflop
£2.99
£2.90 QQvs88
£2.27 a bluff that failed
£1-£2 6 hands
as for my wins
£4.04
£3.28
£3.03
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 8 hands
I think you need to appreciate that most other players are not thinking at level 2, most 4nl players will be thinking at level 1. He knows his hand and bets accordingly, your hand isnt given consideration.
Plus of course, on the turn, he is beating AA and KK anyway.
Oh, and if your not sure what I mean, google "levels of poker thought".
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And FWIW
Im never folding Kings on that JT7,
Could easily be a draw or a top pair scared of a draw.
Never heard of that player so im calling there everytime.
Are you still saying the JJ / 94 hand was bad luck?
winnings
£3.22
£2-£3 4 hands
£1-£2 19 hands
losses
£3.75
£2.39 £2.10
£1-£2 11 hands
TBH i think it is one of two possibilities i am either being to scare with my bets or calling too many of the min raises from the BB.
same can probably be said with this one
How are things going?
today i don't seem to be doing as bad with things and managed to win £3.26 and £7.88 on two of my 5 tables i did loose £6.80 on one table but the main cause was QQvAA allin preflop and set vs straight on the turn.
the hand i liked best was this
my week end might have been bad but today things have been much better.
although i lost 3.29 in the mini BH my cash tables won me 9.91 so overall i have gained 6.29 today
my £1+ hand history winning and losses today were
losses-£3.89, £3.76, £2.97, £2.40 £1.15 and £1.05
the profits were
£3.26
£2.49 £2.48 £2.32
£1-£2 12 hands
the big losses i did get today were nearly all bad luck
the only questionable one was this
If he had a medium king hand or 2pair its going to be near impossible to win a decent pot unless you raise pre.
after starting off so well this afternoon managing to only get 1 loss over £1 in comparison to 8 winnings over£1 tonight was awful. my BR has finished at £100.64
The hand history was
losses of
£4.82
£3.84
£2-£3 5 hands
£1-£2 9 hands
the winnings were
£4.26
£3.59
£2-£3 4 hands
£1-£2 10 hands
with the last two hours getting me losses of £3.84 £2.15 £2.08 and 4 hands between £1-£2 while my wins were just £1.48 £1.32 and £1.20
their are three hand which probably reveal why things went wrong.
but i guess at night villian are much more aggressive and have a much wider hand range that includes draws too.