Been playing these for a week and a half now and seen a tonne of these spots - sometimes the decision is obvious, sometimes less so. Pretty sure this one's an easy fold though right??
defo right seems easy when looking at it but at the time i never know what im going to click lol
in this case id opt to fold as short is possible to lose 600 in next 2 hands.
im absolute **** at %'s and odds and mainly go off HOPE.
could go for the steal as would be nice wee boost to your stack but id say most of the time your only getting called by better. id fold and hope short goes in next 2 hands.
:O I'm snapping that in no?? you have insane fold equity and that extra 600 chips surely increases your chances of cashing a fair whack? DYM crushers please help, I'm giving up DYM's for good if that's an easy fold
(x, y and z being that we are technically chip leader. Can even afford to fold an orbit maybe two. A clash has to be imminent (like immediately imminent) and even if hands fold through or go raise-fold we will struggle to find ourselves at immediate risk before at least one of the other players)
Congratulations to you more like @Essexphil - absolutely bossing these things, gg.
It does take a while to adapt from MTT play. It has taken me quite a while to be better than break-even at these. I'm still not as good as I should be, and GrumpyJac always reminds me how bad I am.
I remember chatting with MattBates at an SPT. He was mentioning how he loved being on my table in qualifiers, as he could exploit my "correct" ICM play all day. Realising that has certainly helped my DYM play.
It is fun exploiting some very good MTT players in these....
Congratulations to you more like @Essexphil - absolutely bossing these things, gg.
It does take a while to adapt from MTT play. It has taken me quite a while to be better than break-even at these. I'm still not as good as I should be, and GrumpyJac always reminds me how bad I am.
I remember chatting with MattBates at an SPT. He was mentioning how he loved being on my table in qualifiers, as he could exploit my "correct" ICM play all day. Realising that has certainly helped my DYM play.
It is fun exploiting some very good MTT players in these....
Good stuff Phil - can you elaborate on this a little?... or will that give be giving away too much info?
Congratulations to you more like @Essexphil - absolutely bossing these things, gg.
It does take a while to adapt from MTT play. It has taken me quite a while to be better than break-even at these. I'm still not as good as I should be, and GrumpyJac always reminds me how bad I am.
I remember chatting with MattBates at an SPT. He was mentioning how he loved being on my table in qualifiers, as he could exploit my "correct" ICM play all day. Realising that has certainly helped my DYM play.
It is fun exploiting some very good MTT players in these....
Good stuff Phil - can you elaborate on this a little?... or will that give be giving away too much info?
Sure.
People start by thinking what is the correct play with their cards. When they get better, they start putting people on ranges, and then start exploiting players based on that.
However, at least as important is knowing what other people behind you should be doing (and whether they know this), particularly in qualifiers and DYMs.
It is common for people to say "they are only calling with better" in the example you gave earlier. But that is not true if people are playing optimally. A3-A10 (poss more), KQ, 22-77 (or more) should all be folding against your shove. In other words, more than half of the "better" hands should fold (even more for the SB).
Play when there are 4 left is VERY player-dependant. As an example, my streak last week ended when someone called my 6BB shove with...9 6 off, when we were 2nd and 3rd with 4 left. My AK didn't look so clever after the flop.
Absolutely Phil - I understand all that - (or would like to think that I do) was just wondering if Matt had reads/exploits tailored for you specifically in these spots (rather than just baseline ICM exploits)... and what they were/are...
The thing about the above spot that had me a little confused was that future game scenario should dictate that we mostly still cash from this position when we fold here (which we did in the very next hand I believe - not being results oriented at all). I thought from a risk/reward standpoint we potentially punt when they make the incorrect ICM calls.
£1.10 - Played:19 Binks:11 Bricks:8 Bink%:57.89 (no streak improvement) £2.20 - Played:14 Binks: 9 Bricks:5 Bink%:64.28 (no streak improvement)
Enjoyable (and profitable ) session but unfortunately no improvements on the streaks
Felt the most comfortable I've felt at these DYM tables (apart from in the spot with the KJs maybe ) since I started playing last week - partly riding the wave of confidence generated by last night's streak and I guess simply having more experience in the format can only be helping rather than hindering as well (assuming I'm making more correct adjustments than incorrect ones over all of course).
Although I have enjoyed this last week and a bit, I'm still unsure as to whether I am enjoying DYM's to the extent where I would be interested in pursuing them post Streak Week - I do love a league table (with all the added incentives/motivation/intrigue/excitement they bring) and blame the absence of one for my recent poor showings in Mini UKOPS Without a league-table-type-challenge-thing I really don't know how motivated I would be to play these regularly... having said that I think my interest in poker in general has passed its peak anyway and if Sky Poker (as we know it) is not long for this world it may be a timely nudge in the direction of other (perhaps less trivial) pursuits...
Very late starting again tonight - so much for getting in 50+ games a night, not sure where I plucked that figure from anyway
Not sure whether to just play £1.10 to get max volume in at that stake and try to get a streak for the leader-board or continue to plug away at 1.10 and 2.20 and then not be able to get very much volume in for either given tonight's late start...
What do you fine folks suggest(?) and how are any of you getting on tonight in the DYM streaks streets?
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Been playing these for a week and a half now and seen a tonne of these spots - sometimes the decision is obvious, sometimes less so. Pretty sure this one's an easy fold though right??
in this case id opt to fold as short is possible to lose 600 in next 2 hands.
im absolute **** at %'s and odds and mainly go off HOPE.
could go for the steal as would be nice wee boost to your stack but id say most of the time your only getting called by better. id fold and hope short goes in next 2 hands.
Well done on your £2.20 streak. Only a very good or very lucky player will beat that
And yes, if the blinds are competent, think I'm shoving here.
I remember chatting with MattBates at an SPT. He was mentioning how he loved being on my table in qualifiers, as he could exploit my "correct" ICM play all day. Realising that has certainly helped my DYM play.
It is fun exploiting some very good MTT players in these....
People start by thinking what is the correct play with their cards. When they get better, they start putting people on ranges, and then start exploiting players based on that.
However, at least as important is knowing what other people behind you should be doing (and whether they know this), particularly in qualifiers and DYMs.
It is common for people to say "they are only calling with better" in the example you gave earlier. But that is not true if people are playing optimally. A3-A10 (poss more), KQ, 22-77 (or more) should all be folding against your shove. In other words, more than half of the "better" hands should fold (even more for the SB).
Play when there are 4 left is VERY player-dependant. As an example, my streak last week ended when someone called my 6BB shove with...9 6 off, when we were 2nd and 3rd with 4 left. My AK didn't look so clever after the flop.
Hope that helps.
Absolutely Phil - I understand all that - (or would like to think that I do) was just wondering if Matt had reads/exploits tailored for you specifically in these spots (rather than just baseline ICM exploits)... and what they were/are...
The thing about the above spot that had me a little confused was that future game scenario should dictate that we mostly still cash from this position when we fold here (which we did in the very next hand I believe - not being results oriented at all). I thought from a risk/reward standpoint we potentially punt when they make the incorrect ICM calls.
End of session:
£1.10: ooxxoooxoxoooxoxxox
£2.20: oxoxooooxxooox
£1.10 - Played:19 Binks:11 Bricks:8 Bink%:57.89 (no streak improvement)
£2.20 - Played:14 Binks: 9 Bricks:5 Bink%:64.28 (no streak improvement)
Enjoyable (and profitable
Felt the most comfortable I've felt at these DYM tables (apart from in the spot with the KJs maybe
Although I have enjoyed this last week and a bit, I'm still unsure as to whether I am enjoying DYM's to the extent where I would be interested in pursuing them post Streak Week - I do love a league table (with all the added incentives/motivation/intrigue/excitement they bring) and blame the absence of one for my recent poor showings in Mini UKOPS
See you tomorrow evening.
Not sure whether to just play £1.10 to get max volume in at that stake and try to get a streak for the leader-board or continue to plug away at 1.10 and 2.20 and then not be able to get very much volume in for either given tonight's late start...
What do you fine folks suggest(?) and how are any of you getting on tonight in the DYM
streaksstreets?£1.10 or £2.20?
If only Sky Poker had anonymous tables, where the streaks have no name.
I like it Tikay but it doesn't really help me with my conundrum