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RNG gets worse

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    CATCH-22CATCH-22 Member Posts: 270
    looks like lives rng not being too kind some there
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    ImplicityyImplicityy Member Posts: 65
    edited February 2018
    whats the chance of this run out?

    A35hhh - 2h, 4h (straight flush on board)

    Hand History #1251305121 (20:37 11/02/2018)

    just happened in a SPT quarter satellite but when I copy paste the hh it doesn't let me paste it :(
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    Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,481

    is it just me that doesn't like seeing that sort of stuff? (could well be!?)

    I love animals & I know its nature, I dunno, just kinda uncomfortable to watch....

    Not just you
    I preferred the thread when it was about dodgy Rngs
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    bongo69bongo69 Member Posts: 198
    I think the RNG is getting better.

    I spent all weekend on the wrong end of 3 out turn and river suck outs. Today it's 2 outers.

    So that's an improvement, right?
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268
    bongo69 said:

    I think the RNG is getting better.

    I spent all weekend on the wrong end of 3 out turn and river suck outs. Today it's 2 outers.

    So that's an improvement, right?

    Think that might be due to the bitterly cold weather.



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    bongo69bongo69 Member Posts: 198
    Possibly Tony.

    That or my ongoing refusal to blow whoever is the designated recipient at Sky of favour-garnering BJs, so as to be spared these seemingly endless bad beats.

    On a more serious note...it appears that Sky's RNG hasn't been audited in more than eight years. Have their been any updates to the RNG's codebase in that time? Is it possible to find out when the next audit is due?
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268
    bongo69 said:

    Possibly Tony.

    That or my ongoing refusal to blow whoever is the designated recipient at Sky of favour-garnering BJs, so as to be spared these seemingly endless bad beats.

    On a more serious note...it appears that Sky's RNG hasn't been audited in more than eight years. Have their been any updates to the RNG's codebase in that time? Is it possible to find out when the next audit is due?

    No idea @bongo69, but the Gaming Commission require Sky Poker to undergo an Annual Audit, & that audit includes third party certificate validating the RNG.

    The Audit takes place each year, & the GC continue to give Sky Poker a clean bill of health, so I surmise from that the Sky Poker RNG meets the requirements of the GC & AGCC.
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268
    bongo69 said:

    Possibly Tony.

    That or my ongoing refusal to blow whoever is the designated recipient at Sky of favour-garnering BJs, so as to be spared these seemingly endless bad beats.

    On a more serious note...it appears that Sky's RNG hasn't been audited in more than eight years. Have their been any updates to the RNG's codebase in that time? Is it possible to find out when the next audit is due?

    I don't know, but it's required Annually, so presumably it will be within that timeframe, as it is every year.

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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,111
    edited February 2018


    That or my ongoing refusal to blow whoever is the designated recipient at Sky of favour-garnering BJs, so as to be spared these seemingly endless bad beats.

    On a more serious note...it appears that Sky's RNG hasn't been audited in more than eight years. Have their been any updates to the RNG's codebase in that time? Is it possible to find out when the next audit is due?

    "Favour-garnering BJs"? Sky Rewards has upped its game :)
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268

    ^^^^^

    As a general rule, I do whatever Sky Poker request of me. However, there is a limit.
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    bongo69bongo69 Member Posts: 198
    @Tikay10 when you say Sky is audited annually and "that audit includes third party certificate validating the RNG", this page suggests that the certification is less frequent: https://support.skypoker.com/s/article/Sky-Poker-House-Rules

    Specifically, "TST certified Sky Poker's RNG in September 2009"

    So either that page needs updating, or the certification does, right?

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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268
    bongo69 said:

    @Tikay10 when you say Sky is audited annually and "that audit includes third party certificate validating the RNG", this page suggests that the certification is less frequent: https://support.skypoker.com/s/article/Sky-Poker-House-Rules

    Specifically, "TST certified Sky Poker's RNG in September 2009"

    So either that page needs updating, or the certification does, right?

    Possibly, @bongo69, I've no idea, & I've always been a bit perplexed why players get so obsessed with this.

    The Audit is annual, & includes, presumably, some adequate assurance that the RNG has not changed since it was last Certified. RNG's don't degrade or improve, once the code is written, it stays the same unless it gets changed. And if it gets changed, presumably it gets re-certified.

    When the Download Client was introduced in, I think, around 2011 or '12, I distinctly recall that it all had to be approved by the then regulatory body, AGCC. (Later, most but not all Regulatory oversight was by the GC of course).

    So yes, the page may need updating, but it's not something that I would suggest anyone needs to get fixated about.

    Sky Poker is a small - VERY small, probably about 1%, give or take, part of SB&G as a whole, which is a very very valuable & successful Business, & a Business which takes Regulatory stuff extremely seriously. So - personally - I don't worry about it one bit, as it would be suicidal of the Business not to have all this stuff tickity-boo. And - I'm just guessing here - but I assume the same RNG is deployed right across SB&G, in, say, Vegas, Casino, Bingo etc.

    Fortunately, after over a billion hands, & in the 12th year of operation, there has never been any evidence to suggest there is anything amiss, & the GC, who are really baring their teeth these days, remain100% satisfied. That'll do for me.

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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,268

    Hard to believe this thread has run to 9 pages. All because the OP suggested something had happened 4 times in a brief spell, which WOULD have been at the extremes of probability, but it was later shown only to have happened twice, which was perfectly normal. And then he deleted all his posts. And I'm still, politely & patiently, answering all the questions that have arisen from it.
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    EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    Tikay10 said:


    Hard to believe this thread has run to 9 pages. All because the OP suggested something had happened 4 times in a brief spell, which WOULD have been at the extremes of probability, but it was later shown only to have happened twice, which was perfectly normal. And then he deleted all his posts. And I'm still, politely & patiently, answering all the questions that have arisen from it.

    Forum thread RNG is getting worse
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    allibone03allibone03 Member Posts: 99
    Maybe look on the bright side eh? Look at the fun people have had and the,still ongoing,discussion that has arisen from it? I did suggest deleting the thread however this was ignored. Tikay considering you claim to be all about positivity you seem **** bent on reiterating the negative points from the OP even though apologies were issued.
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    allibone03allibone03 Member Posts: 99
    h e l l bent
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    MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    When fake news is spread it does no good for online poker so it is hard to be particularly positive about potentially damaging fake information being spread. Players (often losing ones) want a reason why they are not doing as well at poker as they think they should. It wont be that they are not as good as they think or that they should work on their understanding of the game.
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    allibone03allibone03 Member Posts: 99
    im not getting into the same old debates again it achieves nothing. Ive said what i said ive accepted i was wrong yet people still want to come on and repeat the same things theyve already said.
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    allibone03allibone03 Member Posts: 99
    One last point regarding players(particularly losing ones). Be wary how literally sharkscope is interpreted. I know my own omits a couple of tournaments where ive made a profit and includes a 400 pounds win in a UKOPS semi which then creates the massive downswing on my graph. This was an entry fee to play at dtd which i never attended so how this is viewed as a loss is confusing. The 80 quid i won when i qualified for the manchester SPT the other week doesnt show neither the 220 entry fee which wasnt used. Whats the diff? Just be wary of labelling people losing players if thats the level of accuracy on peoples beloved sharkscope.
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    goldongoldon Member Posts: 8,546
    It's the nature of the beast ..... pet it stroke it ...... it bites you back.
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