You sort of sense a bad session though. I lost 5 of the first 6, ugh, but the first £5.50 one, I exited in Level ONE, lol. A chap was playing "quite fast", potting it pre every hand, & potting every street. He was dangerous. He was going to bust the whole table in no time, or bust himself. I decided to sit quietly, & watch tricks. I could win this baby without even playing a hand. It was awesome to watch, too. Pot pot pot, amazing scenes & he was getting to showdown with a really eclectic range of stuff. But then I found the old A-A-K-2, Double Suited....... I tried to find the fold, but failed, & we went pot pot ppot pre, & got the lot in. You know the rest. He had four hearts in his hand, Q-J-9-6, then flopped the straight & turned the flush. I did feel rather silly, " wp lads, gl all " sorta thing as I exited, tail firmly between legs. Posted by Tikay10
Hi TK - another question: you seem to only be considering folding or raising in a spot like this... what about just callind a raise in the early stages rather than getting it in vs a player like this, since you know you have no fold equity? I know this is about as big a hand as you can get, but your still only have just under 70% equity against his exact hand. My guessing is that he played badly postflop too, so if you flop well, can still get a decent amount of chips on average.
Played MUCH better last night, won 4 of 5 @ £11 for the 2nd successive night, & won the game count at each of the three levels, (£3.30, £5.50, & £11) by a total of 21-9.
I had 139 Reward Points on the board by 9pm, so I was heading for a 200 Reward Point evening, which I wanted as I can't play tomorrow (working) but the session had to be truncated early, as we all know.
Still, I was £45 ahead at the time, a huge night for me, & I recovered the lost ground from the last 2 nights, & it's possible I'd have given some of that back, so I guess I should not be displeased, & I'm not.
I have not included the games I was sat in when the DYM's were paused, as I've been refunded my Buy-In on those, so they don't count & have not been included. (See next post).
Anyway, we are going along nicely again, & I need to push on from here. 3,000 Reward Points (which gives me a 50% increases in my payment) is now well in sight, & I should cover that easily, & I'm making a bit of profit, too.
Big session planned for tonight, as I can't play tomorrow, so I want to try & reach 2,600 Reward Points by close of play tonight. Be nice to make a profit, too, but that, as we know, is down to Lady Variance, who remains as unpredictable as ever.
So, the wheels fell off last night, & a lot of people are a bit cross, quite understandably.
And when these things happen - mercifully rarely these days, especially compared to the early days - therev are always people who have been disadvantaged.
Those who bust out early ask for their money back, those with big stacks say "I would have won". And that's understandable, too. Whether it is logical, is another matter.
Here's the postion in one of my "Paused" (then Voided) DYM's last night.
6 players remain, despite it being Level 8. Two have been "AWAY" from the very start, & have not been able to play a hand.
Blinds are 400-800.
Stack sizes.....
5,190
45 (AWAY)
2,200
560 (AWAY)
2,685 (Me)
1,320
So yeah, I reckon I was about 90% certain to "win". The two "AWAY" stacks had zero chance, & one player had 1.5 Bigs, & about to Post his BB.
My Buy-In was Voided, of course, so I could take the view "I was robbed", as so many others have.
But was I?
What if the two "AWAY" players (AWAY through no fault of their own) had been sat in from the start. Would the stack sizes still favour me?
Well we will never know. That's how it is, there is no way of knowing, & no way of settling these things in a manner satisfactory to all.
Just one of those things, & we have to roll with the punches.
Early in last night's session I had 7 Tables going, & so had not noticed that on one of my Tables was the Big Man himself, Lol-Dylan12.
Once things calmed down a bit, & I was down to 4 Tables, we chatted a bit in the Chat-Box as you do. (Another player did not approve, I gather, as whilst we were chatting, he typed "zzzz, yorn". I assume he meant "yawn", but that's another story).
Anyways, Lol-Dylan had over 5,000 chips. How do these things happen? Lol-Dylan, with 5,000 Chips in a DYM. WHAT? He must have got VERY lucky.
And then it happened, the old "spite call".
I shoved. Can't remember my exact hand, but I had something like A-A-K-2 Double Suited. Ooohhhh.
"Come on Lol-Dylan, call THAT sonny boy", I'm thinking.
And he did call. (There ought to be a Station called "Dylan Station").
Hi Tikay, here is one for you showing the joys of Omaha HL Cash. It is from yesterday evening on another site (sacrilege I know but HL cash is a little sparse on here).
I have As Ah Ks 2d and 4 bet pre flop - I get called by one player. The flop comes down 6d 10s Js to give me an overpair, the nut flush draw and nut low back door draw. All the money goes in on the flop and my opponent turns over........ 5s 6c Ks 2d to show 3rd pair, second nut flush draw and bad backdoor low draw. I am loving life until......
turn is a 5h giving him 2 pair and river is a 9d, so he scoops me.
On the flop I was something like 75% for the high and 90% to win any low.
It was, of course, the biggest pot I played all night and the £140 made the difference between winning £10 and winning £150 over the session.
I typed 'nh, nice pot' and went to have my tea......
Not entirely sure my Game-Count figures are 100% accurate, what with some being refunded etc, & I got a bit confused. But they are right within 1 or 2. The main thing is that the Account Balance is correct, that one is accurate, & that's the one that matters, the bottom line.
No poker-playing for me tonight, am doing the Show with Miss Fowler of the Anna. Normal service resumes tomorrow.
Plenty of games last night, but almost all were £3.30, just a sprinkling of £5.50, but not a single £11-er ran.
Ran VERY well early, & won the first 5 games on the bounce. Easy game.
Then LOST the next SEVEN on the bounce. This variance thing is really quite something, eh?
It was all up & down after that.
Despite the problems,the vast majority of the PLO8 DYM regulars were in good heart, & we organised a bit of Karoake in the chat box, told stories, & discussed Cambridge United's big day at Wembley today.
That hand against Melty, last post on the previous page.
First up, not the best shove from me (K-K-7-4) but you know how it is, sometimes you gotta do these things. As 80% of my shoves don't get called, it's not so bad though.
It was a good call by you. Personally, I rarely call with a pure low only, but that's just me.
The game-dynamic in that game was incredible, & I was loving it.
You had position, but I had "first to open" advantage, sort of reverse position. And we both knew that the fella behind you was not folding to anything, so no good bluffing or shoving into him with spanners. So I had no choice but to shove into you.
And I knew that you knew that I knew, etc.
Most enjoyable.
PS - Fold next time. Calling my bets is disrespectful.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Hi TK - another question: you seem to only be considering folding or raising in a spot like this... what about just callind a raise in the early stages rather than getting it in vs a player like this, since you know you have no fold equity? I know this is about as big a hand as you can get, but your still only have just under 70% equity against his exact hand. My guessing is that he played badly postflop too, so if you flop well, can still get a decent amount of chips on average. Posted by chicknMelt
You are probably right, yeah.
Don't forget, though, when I raise pre with any big hand, & I get called, I KNOW that 90% (?) of the time, the caller is drawing to a low. 2 High Cards on the flop, he cheacks, I c-Bet, game over, send me the chips. The amount of chips I gather in thst way is huge, & does more than compensate for when it goes wrong sometimes.
I sort of "pre-programme" myself when 6 & 8 Tabling to do certain things in certain spots. If I had given thought, yes, I may have done that.
I sort of over-do the "never limp or peel" thing a bit sometimes. You make a fair point.
Mind you, on the rare occasions I do limp (usually a misclick), the chat-box explodes. OOH, KENDALL LIMPED!
I got busted in a game last night, & the guy who bust me typed "tut tut, you of all people bluffing". Which sort of miffed me a bit, but I was on 8 Tables, so could not really reply.
I had decent aces, two suits, & A-3. I potted every street. My river bet was dubious, I had ONE pair (Aces) on a flushing board, & A-3 for 2nd nut low. He can't have nut nut very often, can he? He did this time. Whoops.
But the thing is, the VERY essence of PLO8 is pressuring players who are drawing, ususlly to the Low. You get chips by forcing folds. It goes wrong sometimes, but it goes right more often than not.
Yup. Can't remember it EXACTLY, but it was something like...... 7-7-7-8 Worst hand ever ever ever, bad high hand, nut bad low hand. I looked it up. The 28,937 best ranked hand in PLO8. Out of 29,000. HE CALLED ME WITH 7-7-7-8. OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Tikay10
lol, your memory is terrible but it did feel good to bust you ;-)
With the outage friday night I tried everything to open the table but couldn't, all I could see in the lobby was my chips decreasing and yours increasing, arrrrgh!!
I thought there had been some threads written on the forum regarding a few issues with tables uploading and when I saw them I was happy enough then as I knew it wasn't a problem my end so I closed down and was going to contact CS Saturday morning about a refund but there was no need, full repayment received into my sky account so that made me happy but what made me even happier was the fact that you didn't actually 'double' your money from me :-)
Early in last night's session I had 7 Tables going, & so had not noticed that on one of my Tables was the Big Man himself, Lol-Dylan12. Once things calmed down a bit, & I was down to 4 Tables, we chatted a bit in the Chat-Box as you do. (Another player did not approve, I gather, as whilst we were chatting, he typed "zzzz, yorn". I assume he meant " yawn ", but that's another story). Anyways, Lol-Dylan had over 5,000 chips. How do these things happen? Lol-Dylan, with 5,000 Chips in a DYM. WHAT? He must have got VERY lucky. And then it happened, the old "spite call". I shoved. Can't remember my exact hand, but I had something like A-A-K-2 Double Suited. Ooohhhh. "Come on Lol-Dylan, call THAT sonny boy ", I'm thinking. And he did call. (There ought to be a Station called "Dylan Station"). Guess his hand. Posted by Tikay10
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Hi TK - another question: you seem to only be considering folding or raising in a spot like this... what about just callind a raise in the early stages rather than getting it in vs a player like this, since you know you have no fold equity? I know this is about as big a hand as you can get, but your still only have just under 70% equity against his exact hand. My guessing is that he played badly postflop too, so if you flop well, can still get a decent amount of chips on average.
Friday 21st March
Played 30
Won 21
Lost 9
Split....
£3.30 - Played 18, Won 13, Lost 5
£5.50 - Played 7, won 4 lost 3
£11.00 - Played 5, won 4, Lost 1
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £45.10
PROFIT/LOSS per game £1.50
REWARD POINTS = 139
BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,324.59
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 2,431 (= £24.31)
March to date........
Played 527
Won 307
Lost 220
Win-rate, January, 58.25%
PROFIT/LOSS in March, £174.23
Profit/Loss per game February = £0.33
An interesting evening.
First, the numbers.
Played MUCH better last night, won 4 of 5 @ £11 for the 2nd successive night, & won the game count at each of the three levels, (£3.30, £5.50, & £11) by a total of 21-9.
I had 139 Reward Points on the board by 9pm, so I was heading for a 200 Reward Point evening, which I wanted as I can't play tomorrow (working) but the session had to be truncated early, as we all know.
Still, I was £45 ahead at the time, a huge night for me, & I recovered the lost ground from the last 2 nights, & it's possible I'd have given some of that back, so I guess I should not be displeased, & I'm not.
I have not included the games I was sat in when the DYM's were paused, as I've been refunded my Buy-In on those, so they don't count & have not been included. (See next post).
Anyway, we are going along nicely again, & I need to push on from here. 3,000 Reward Points (which gives me a 50% increases in my payment) is now well in sight, & I should cover that easily, & I'm making a bit of profit, too.
Big session planned for tonight, as I can't play tomorrow, so I want to try & reach 2,600 Reward Points by close of play tonight. Be nice to make a profit, too, but that, as we know, is down to Lady Variance, who remains as unpredictable as ever.
So, the wheels fell off last night, & a lot of people are a bit cross, quite understandably.
And when these things happen - mercifully rarely these days, especially compared to the early days - therev are always people who have been disadvantaged.
Those who bust out early ask for their money back, those with big stacks say "I would have won". And that's understandable, too. Whether it is logical, is another matter.
Here's the postion in one of my "Paused" (then Voided) DYM's last night.
6 players remain, despite it being Level 8. Two have been "AWAY" from the very start, & have not been able to play a hand.
Blinds are 400-800.
Stack sizes.....
5,190
45 (AWAY)
2,200
560 (AWAY)
2,685 (Me)
1,320
So yeah, I reckon I was about 90% certain to "win". The two "AWAY" stacks had zero chance, & one player had 1.5 Bigs, & about to Post his BB.
My Buy-In was Voided, of course, so I could take the view "I was robbed", as so many others have.
But was I?
What if the two "AWAY" players (AWAY through no fault of their own) had been sat in from the start. Would the stack sizes still favour me?
Well we will never know. That's how it is, there is no way of knowing, & no way of settling these things in a manner satisfactory to all.
Just one of those things, & we have to roll with the punches.
I tell you what DID annoy me though, & I was LIVID.
One of those AWAY stacks was my Latte Gopher, Dylan 12.
Unfair or not, I'd have LOVED him to have been blinded out & got nothing. I would, I would.
And I'll tell you why......
Early in last night's session I had 7 Tables going, & so had not noticed that on one of my Tables was the Big Man himself, Lol-Dylan12.
Once things calmed down a bit, & I was down to 4 Tables, we chatted a bit in the Chat-Box as you do. (Another player did not approve, I gather, as whilst we were chatting, he typed "zzzz, yorn". I assume he meant "yawn", but that's another story).
Anyways, Lol-Dylan had over 5,000 chips. How do these things happen? Lol-Dylan, with 5,000 Chips in a DYM. WHAT? He must have got VERY lucky.
And then it happened, the old "spite call".
I shoved. Can't remember my exact hand, but I had something like A-A-K-2 Double Suited. Ooohhhh.
"Come on Lol-Dylan, call THAT sonny boy", I'm thinking.
And he did call. (There ought to be a Station called "Dylan Station").
Guess his hand.
Yup.
Can't remember it EXACTLY, but it was something like......
7-7-7-8
Worst hand ever ever ever, bad high hand, nut bad low hand.
I looked it up. The 28,937 best ranked hand in PLO8. Out of 29,000.
HE CALLED ME WITH 7-7-7-8.
OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!
I have As Ah Ks 2d and 4 bet pre flop - I get called by one player.
The flop comes down 6d 10s Js to give me an overpair, the nut flush draw and nut low back door draw. All the money goes in on the flop and my opponent turns over........
5s 6c Ks 2d to show 3rd pair, second nut flush draw and bad backdoor low draw. I am loving life until......
turn is a 5h giving him 2 pair and river is a 9d, so he scoops me.
On the flop I was something like 75% for the high and 90% to win any low.
It was, of course, the biggest pot I played all night and the £140 made the difference between winning £10 and winning £150 over the session.
I typed 'nh, nice pot' and went to have my tea......
Saturday 22nd March
Played 31
Won 15
Lost 16
Split....
£3.30 - Played 23, Won 9, Lost 14
£5.50 - Played 8, won 5 lost 3
£11.00 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £8.70
PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.28
REWARD POINTS = 103
BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,315.29
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 2,534 (= £25.34)
March to date........
Played 558
Won 322
Lost 236
Win-rate, January, 57.70%
PROFIT/LOSS in March, £165.53
Profit/Loss per game February = £0.30
Hmm.
Well, the least said the better I suppose.
Not entirely sure my Game-Count figures are 100% accurate, what with some being refunded etc, & I got a bit confused. But they are right within 1 or 2. The main thing is that the Account Balance is correct, that one is accurate, & that's the one that matters, the bottom line.
No poker-playing for me tonight, am doing the Show with Miss Fowler of the Anna. Normal service resumes tomorrow.
Plenty of games last night, but almost all were £3.30, just a sprinkling of £5.50, but not a single £11-er ran.
Ran VERY well early, & won the first 5 games on the bounce. Easy game.
Then LOST the next SEVEN on the bounce. This variance thing is really quite something, eh?
It was all up & down after that.
Despite the problems,the vast majority of the PLO8 DYM regulars were in good heart, & we organised a bit of Karoake in the chat box, told stories, & discussed Cambridge United's big day at Wembley today.
Anyway, have a great Sunday, whatever your plans.
That hand against Melty, last post on the previous page.
First up, not the best shove from me (K-K-7-4) but you know how it is, sometimes you gotta do these things. As 80% of my shoves don't get called, it's not so bad though.
It was a good call by you. Personally, I rarely call with a pure low only, but that's just me.
The game-dynamic in that game was incredible, & I was loving it.
You had position, but I had "first to open" advantage, sort of reverse position. And we both knew that the fella behind you was not folding to anything, so no good bluffing or shoving into him with spanners. So I had no choice but to shove into you.
And I knew that you knew that I knew, etc.
Most enjoyable.
PS - Fold next time. Calling my bets is disrespectful.
Don't forget, though, when I raise pre with any big hand, & I get called, I KNOW that 90% (?) of the time, the caller is drawing to a low. 2 High Cards on the flop, he cheacks, I c-Bet, game over, send me the chips. The amount of chips I gather in thst way is huge, & does more than compensate for when it goes wrong sometimes.
I sort of "pre-programme" myself when 6 & 8 Tabling to do certain things in certain spots. If I had given thought, yes, I may have done that.
I sort of over-do the "never limp or peel" thing a bit sometimes. You make a fair point.
Mind you, on the rare occasions I do limp (usually a misclick), the chat-box explodes. OOH, KENDALL LIMPED!
I got busted in a game last night, & the guy who bust me typed "tut tut, you of all people bluffing". Which sort of miffed me a bit, but I was on 8 Tables, so could not really reply.
I had decent aces, two suits, & A-3. I potted every street. My river bet was dubious, I had ONE pair (Aces) on a flushing board, & A-3 for 2nd nut low. He can't have nut nut very often, can he? He did this time. Whoops.
But the thing is, the VERY essence of PLO8 is pressuring players who are drawing, ususlly to the Low. You get chips by forcing folds. It goes wrong sometimes, but it goes right more often than not.
Swings & things.
Crikey, the days just whizz past.
I did not play Sunday, as I was working, but I played Monday & Tuesday.
Monday went OK..........Tuesday had a health warning, ugh.
Monday 24th March
Played 46
Won 23
Lost 23
Split....
£3.30 - Played 30, Won 13, Lost 17
£5.50 - Played 11, won 6 lost 5
£11.00 - Played 5, won 4, Lost 1
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £13.50
PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.29
REWARD POINTS = 195
BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,328.79
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 2,729 (= £27.29)
March to date........
Played 604
Won 345
Lost 259
Win-rate, January, 57.11%
PROFIT/LOSS in March, £179.03
Profit/Loss per game February = £0.30