Interesting one here and more typical of the debate already had on Tikay's thread.
I have a very nice hand, but I also have a decent stack relative to the blinds and the open raiser has a solid range. At first glance I am unlucky from the point the cards go face up.
However, I think on reflection I should have folded here. No need (yet) to go to war with this hand and these blinds.
6 handed and a player as solid as Vespa UTG pots - should have mucked this.
When this table opened Hendrick said in chat wow this must be about the most -EV table I have seen. At 3.30 PLO8 I have to agree. I can think of a few notable others who if sat you could have said the same thing, but this is a table of solid players no weak link apart from me and my rookie error. What's that saying about if you can't see the fish at the table it's you? Think I proved it here.
When Hendo said that I thought to myself - aha showing weakness there mate - but didnt say anything. Of course I bust first and Hendo bossed it.
You don't need to get involved. But it is a tough table and you want to find some spots. You have a nice hand and by calling teeks might think twice next time before potting with that hand.
nice hand nice shove as for the call one could call it optimistic. he is paying 1200 for the plausible chance of winning then and there. but he is still cl even if losing the hand, and wins chips even if he only chops it, so there is some rationale for it Posted by GELDY
I'm folding all day long in his position, especially if there is a player with only 900 chips.
Similar to above - although given size of Tikays stack I think I know this is a wide range ahead of the BB and I think I just got unlucky here? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance tikay1 Small blind 150.00 150.00 827.50 Phantom66 Big blind 300.00 450.00 3347.50 Your hole cards A 5 2 4 mmmchips Fold Whizzewky Fold eon1961 Fold tikay1 Raise 750.00 1200.00 77.50 Phantom66 Raise 1200.00 2400.00 2147.50 tikay1 All-in 77.50 2477.50 0.00 Phantom66 Unmatched bet 522.50 1955.00 2670.00 tikay1 Show 8 K 6 10 Phantom66 Show A 5 2 4 Flop K A K Turn J River 7 tikay1 Win high Three Kings 1955.00 1955.00 No qualifying low hand Posted by Phantom66
Morning Phantom.
That's actually a very interesting spot. My hand was positively poo, I mean really dreadful, but the play was (imo) correct, given stack sizes & position.
Clearly, it went wrong - you were not supposed to call - then it went right, as I got lucky.
I was SB to your BB, it had been folded round, you had a LOT of chips, & I needed chips. So I fancied, given that you had the game locked up, I could force a fold. I was wrong. I'm certainly not saying you should fold by the way - that's a different question.
I do get VERY aggro at that stage, especially if short of chips. I look for standard spots, & this, for the reasons outlined above, looked like a perfect spot.
And that is the real point of my reply. We can shove with ANYTHING, but it's much harder to call, even with a marginal or good hand. That is the very essence of these things, & that particular play.
What I really want at this stage is UNCONTESTED pots.
Let's say 4 of us are left, & Blinds are 200-400, we each have 3,000 chips & I have A-2-K-Q.
If I am first to act, I am ALWAYS getting it in here However if someone else opens first, I'm folding EVERY TIME. I'm 90% certain I am ahead, but I'm only 50% certain I can hold.
If I can nick pots uncontested, & take it down pre-flop (at those blinds) that's perfect afaic. I'd guess that I get a shove through 70% of the time because folks do not want to call for their DYM life.
I was amazed over the weekend of the poularity of the £3.30 DYMs.
These were running constantly from Friday through to Sunday. This is vindication for those of us who long pressed for their introduction. It was nice to see some new faces at the tables too, not that I am fed up with the familier faces.
I would also like to thank one and all for the humour and banter that was present at the tables, with ne'er a cross word. It made my weekends poker a pleasure, so thank you guys n gals.
Those of us that enjoy that particular format wanted more liquidity, more players, more fun.
And instead of pointing fingers, or telling Sky Poker to "sort it out", together, a bunch of us, no more than 6 or 8 of us - just went out, spread the word, welcomed new players, started "Help" Threads & between us we built that liquidity ourselves.
And now it's so satisfying to see what, collectively, we have helped build.
We are self-policed as to banter, humour, un-necessary rudeness, too, & have created a mood which encourages others to join us.
I played 4 hour sessions on Friday, Saturday & Sunday, & I don't always have laptop room to play all the £3.30's that open (I can only manage 6 at a time), & yet I still played 68 @ £3.30. in addition to 42 @£5.50 & £11.
Don't think too many sites except The Big One can boast such liquidity in PLO8 SNG's.
I only have one regret, I just wish I could run better.......
^^^^ Love that post, & I'll tell you why. Those of us that enjoy that particular format wanted more liquidity, more players, more fun. And instead of pointing fingers, or telling Sky Poker to "sort it out", together, a bunch of us, no more than 6 or 8 of us - just went out, spread the word, welcomed new players, started "Help" Threads & between us we built that liquidity ourselves. And now it's so satisfying to see what, collectively, we have helped build. We are self-policed as to banter, humour, un-necessary rudeness, too, & have created a mood which encourages others to join us. I played 4 hour sessions on Friday, Saturday & Sunday, & I don't always have laptop room to play all the £3.30's that open (I can only manage 6 at a time), & yet I still played 68 @ £3.30. in addition to 42 @£5.50 & £11. Don't think too many sites except The Big One can boast such liquidity in PLO8 SNG's. I only have one regret, I just wish I could run better....... Posted by Tikay10
Oh the irony :-))))
Rumour has it that in HI LO the river card shall now be known as TK's out card.......can you confirm this please?
Been really great fun being able to jump into a £3 or £5 game almost at will, hardly played any tournaments over the weekend as I was having so much fun on the DYM tables.
Great to see people like Bhoys back and lots of new faces giving it a go.
That depends on the opponent Craig. There are some who would bet if they had the Jack, ignoring the power of the paired sixes. (Not a play I ever make, fwiw). Others with J-J, or 6-A/K/Q bet there anyway, to protect against the runner runner low. If I had, say, J-J here, I'd almost certainly bet into certain opponents, as I know they'd call with a bad six. Not that you should heed my advice, I'm playing terribly at the moment. Timing, judgement, lack of confidence, bla bla. Was I the villain? Posted by Tikay10
Nope you only played one hand in this game
The villain was very aggresive SB to my BB pre, but this time limped pre, then bet into two other players on a paired flop.
I reckoned I would be facing big bets down the streets, was on the cusp of calling, but wimped out in the end.
In Response to Re: PLO8 DYM's - Tips, Advice, & Help Thread : Nope you only played one hand in this game T he villain was very aggresive SB to my BB pre, but this time limped pre, then bet into two other players on a paired flop. I reckoned I would be facing big bets down the streets, was on the cusp of calling, but wimped out in the end. Posted by 67Bhoys
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I have a very nice hand, but I also have a decent stack relative to the blinds and the open raiser has a solid range. At first glance I am unlucky from the point the cards go face up.
However, I think on reflection I should have folded here. No need (yet) to go to war with this hand and these blinds.
6 handed and a player as solid as Vespa UTG pots - should have mucked this.
When this table opened Hendrick said in chat wow this must be about the most -EV table I have seen. At 3.30 PLO8 I have to agree. I can think of a few notable others who if sat you could have said the same thing, but this is a table of solid players no weak link apart from me and my rookie error. What's that saying about if you can't see the fish at the table it's you? Think I proved it here.
When Hendo said that I thought to myself - aha showing weakness there mate - but didnt say anything. Of course I bust first and Hendo bossed it.
Can't have been me - I'd have got there.
That's actually a very interesting spot. My hand was positively poo, I mean really dreadful, but the play was (imo) correct, given stack sizes & position.
Clearly, it went wrong - you were not supposed to call - then it went right, as I got lucky.
I was SB to your BB, it had been folded round, you had a LOT of chips, & I needed chips. So I fancied, given that you had the game locked up, I could force a fold. I was wrong. I'm certainly not saying you should fold by the way - that's a different question.
I do get VERY aggro at that stage, especially if short of chips. I look for standard spots, & this, for the reasons outlined above, looked like a perfect spot.
And that is the real point of my reply. We can shove with ANYTHING, but it's much harder to call, even with a marginal or good hand. That is the very essence of these things, & that particular play.
What I really want at this stage is UNCONTESTED pots.
Let's say 4 of us are left, & Blinds are 200-400, we each have 3,000 chips & I have A-2-K-Q.
If I am first to act, I am ALWAYS getting it in here However if someone else opens first, I'm folding EVERY TIME. I'm 90% certain I am ahead, but I'm only 50% certain I can hold.
If I can nick pots uncontested, & take it down pre-flop (at those blinds) that's perfect afaic. I'd guess that I get a shove through 70% of the time because folks do not want to call for their DYM life.
Anyway, I hope that explains a few things.
^^^^
Love that post, & I'll tell you why.
Those of us that enjoy that particular format wanted more liquidity, more players, more fun.
And instead of pointing fingers, or telling Sky Poker to "sort it out", together, a bunch of us, no more than 6 or 8 of us - just went out, spread the word, welcomed new players, started "Help" Threads & between us we built that liquidity ourselves.
And now it's so satisfying to see what, collectively, we have helped build.
We are self-policed as to banter, humour, un-necessary rudeness, too, & have created a mood which encourages others to join us.
I played 4 hour sessions on Friday, Saturday & Sunday, & I don't always have laptop room to play all the £3.30's that open (I can only manage 6 at a time), & yet I still played 68 @ £3.30. in addition to 42 @£5.50 & £11.
Don't think too many sites except The Big One can boast such liquidity in PLO8 SNG's.
I only have one regret, I just wish I could run better.......
That depends on the opponent Craig.
There are some who would bet if they had the Jack, ignoring the power of the paired sixes. (Not a play I ever make, fwiw).
Others with J-J, or 6-A/K/Q bet there anyway, to protect against the runner runner low.
If I had, say, J-J here, I'd almost certainly bet into certain opponents, as I know they'd call with a bad six.
Not that you should heed my advice, I'm playing terribly at the moment. Timing, judgement, lack of confidence, bla bla.
Was I the villain?