This is really good phantom. I loved PNL I'd get in from Gala at something like 2am with work at 6am. I'd always turn on the tv and watch it rather than go straight to bed as I should have. Don't really know how I kept my eyes open at work. As a single man at the time it wasn't too bad, I'd sleep all afternoon. For some reason something James Browning used to say a lot still sticks in my mind. Most times in live poker there wouldn't be a pre flop raise and just a fair few calling to see flops He used to say "KQ rules in the land of the unraised pot" I found Caspar a really interesting character. Also liked Tom a lot. I thought Lindsey seemed very nice but I didn't quite have the same feelings for her that I did for Kara and Michelle. Tikay came along a little bit later on and was good too. It did take me a little while to warm to him because I'd got comfortable with the other presenters. I was at the bar one night at Gala chatting to Maria when he came up to us. I was in awe. Mostly at this chaps confidence. He was entirely comfortable wearing a maroon jacket and bright blue trousers at Gala. Being Tikay, he was very nice. He bought me a drink and then enquired if it was possible to borrow Maria for a few minutes. Seemed a fair deal. Posted by Jac35
PNL recollections refuelled the debate about the quality of the presenter/analysts.
There was much debate at the time about the poker knowledge exhibited by them on the show. Even had a mini debate offline.
The forum used to be alight with numerous pseudo-anonymous trolls slagging them off.
Tikay and Mr Browning used to get alot of stick irrc and totally unfairly. You can see from my earlier posts that there were only 2 presenters I never really clicked with.
So I thought I would do some research.
Method - Search for live earnings on the Hendon Mob Database.
Rank them by total earnings
I accept that some of the most successful poker players in the world have little or no live cashes on that database, cash players and online players, and there may be errors in the figures. But this is just a bit of fun.
Before I reveal my results have a guess where would you rank this list?
Top two?
Bottom two?
Caspar Berry
Greg Winters
James Browning
Kara Scott
Malcolm Harwood
Mark Banin
Matt Broughton
Michelle Orpe
Nick Wealthall
Tom Sambrook
Tony Kendall
No prizes because it is easy to cheat - just have a think and post here if you want to I will reveal all later.
I will not be publishing cash amounts here, but a score based on multiples of the lowest earner on the table.
So for example if we did a modern day sky poker tv version, Neil Channing would rate as 3631 x Richard Orford.
EDIT: SPOLIER ALERT - RESULTS ARE UP. HAVE A THINK BEFORE YOU SCROLL DOWN
So the results of the rest of the presnters will be announced with their Matt rating.
Kara has a rating of 1112 Matts and Tikay 620 Matts
2nd bottom - even counting both entries under the spellings of Caspar and Casper is my other fav presenter Mr Berry.
He has a rating of 4 Matts.
Of course live poker earnings isn't the only measure of ability and being a presenter is also about other things, on screen presence, multi-tasking, and on this show being able to be educational and pitch your advice at the right level.
The butt of many a comment about their inability to play poker was the lovely Michelle. A kind of Richard Orford but nice to look at. A big part of the dynamic was the more experienced anlayst helping the newbie with their game.
So it was nice to see that Michelle was not last and in fact came in 9th with 17 Matts.
Of course Kara was in the beginner seat to start off with. Clearly learned very well. Indeed it was in the Irish Open she had her biggest cash with 2nd prize. Not her only big cash though, in fact also cashed in back to back WSOP Main Events.
Made £4.44 on spinups but more importantly it was Quadruple points so that got me up to 95 points and another £2.30 token virtually in the bag.
Looks like Punta Cana satellites are up too. WOOP.
Golf bets not going as well as my open ones (but that would be nigh on impossible). Still have plenty in contention but then so are a few strong names I didn't pick.
Should be higher in the morning when the golf finishes, look set for a couple of places in E/W bets and I will have another £2.30 token.
I will also be hitting the Rewards FR this week when I can as a first step towards a Punta Cana trip.
Had a bit of a mare on a spin up today, was doing ok until lost a flip TT to AK then tried to keep playing after a PLO8 table opened and the mistakes started happening. Induced a bluff (I think) with AT on a AT44 board then timed out before I could call and a few hands later misclick callled an all-in with 83o. I was surprised to be dominated by a 85o but at least managed to split the pot.
Maybe I should have stayed on to play on my image, but felt the safest thing was to stand and concentrate on the PLO8 game. Pleasant game with a good bunch of folk.
Burned a chunk of Bankroll on Spinups. I have been doing rather well playing selectively at 20nl tables. For some reason decided to try an do the same at 50nl and 100nl. Unfortunaltely opponents were not making as many mistakes as at 20nl and the poker gods were against me too. Got it in bad when shouldnt at times, and suffered a couple of big coolers.
Not clever, but on the bright side I can't be accused of just writing egotistical brag posts can I?
Might even be funny to some people, just not as much fun as the old days.
Could be useful that I have found where the 55p 6 max tables are. Unoftunately if I have lost them since the lobby tab change, others may have too.
A run of those on double points weekend will see me claim another token.
2 Rewards FR in and no Punta Cana semi yet. These are on a bit early for me so usually on phone doing other stuff. As I am really after a top 3 seat not free cash, I am playing a bit looser than usual. Hasn't worked yet but only needs to work once I suppose.
Getting a bit concerned about the saving tokens though. I have £9.20, soon to be £11.50. Really need to have it confirmed what happens if I tick the yes box on an entry that is below my total tokenage or above my total tokenage. I dont want any nasty surprises.
I might have cyber stalked someone last night thinking they had messaged me. Although a friend on fb, this person had never msg me before. I thought it odd that clicking on the messenger notification didnt work. I was at work so waited until home to check message history properly and then contacted said person. No never messaged you came the reply, oops #AWKWARD. Penny then dropped that the msg notification was actually on a screenshot picture I had been viewing. #FAIL
Burned a chunk of Bankroll on Spinups. I have been doing rather well playing selectively at 20nl tables. For some reason decided to try an do the same at 50nl and 100nl. Unfortunaltely opponents were not making as many mistakes as at 20nl and the poker gods were against me too. Got it in bad when shouldnt at times, and suffered a couple of big coolers. Not clever, but on the bright side I can't be accused of just writing egotistical brag posts can I? Might even be funny to somepeople, just not as much fun as the old days. Could be useful that I have found where the 55p 6 max tables are. Unoftunately if I have lost them since the lobby tab change, others may have too. A run of those on double points weekend will see me claim another token. 2 Rewards FR in and no Punta Cana semi yet. These are on a bit early for me so usually on phone doing other stuff. As I am really after a top 3 seat not free cash, I am playing a bit looser than usual. Hasn't worked yet but only needs to work once I suppose. Getting a bit concerned about the saving tokens though. I have £9.20, soon to be £11.50. Really need to have it confirmed what happens if I tick the yes box on an entry that is below my total tokenage or above my total tokenage. I dont want any nasty surprises. I might have cyber stalked someone last night thinking they had messaged me. Although a friend on fb, this person had never msg me before. I thought it odd that clicking on the messenger notification didnt work. I was at work so waited until home to check message history properly and then contacted said person. No never messaged you came the reply, oops #AWKWARD. Penny then dropped that the msg notification was actually on a screenshot picture I had been viewing. #FAIL Posted by Phantom66
It's this kind of sarcasm that makes the forum less fun. Just no need. Never catch me doing it
Tikay pot opens UTG 6 handed and fairly early doors, we know he has a strong hand. I come along from the SB with a pretty double suited hand full of wheel cards but crucially no 2. BB comes along and they will be priced in with pretty much anything.
I flop the "monster" bottom pair 2nd nut low and a double gutshot straight draw. I pot. Tikay puts me all in. I call. We show. I'm crushed but a 2 hits. SCOOPIO!
I thought I had murdered this hand. But apparently not, Tikay types WP so there you have it. Played it like a boss. Watch and learn.
I genuinely could barely have flopped better - nut low already made, nut flush draw, backdoor spade flush draw, two pair or trips draw (I hit the 8), the full works.
FWIW (not much.....) when I have a hand that hits the flop that hard, I try to build the pot in anticipation of hitting my other draw (the high), so if anyone has A-2 with me, or a straight draw or whatever, they get three-quartered or scooped. It's a key component in O8.
On the downside, you mention that pesky 2. In the $1,500 WSOP PLO8 in Vegas, when I was going along very nicely, my exit was exactly that - I was 3 way for a giant pot, I had the A-2 & a lovely high, two others had A-3.
I was on the scoopio after the turn, but a pesky 2 rivered to kill my nut low & give BOTH of them the wheel. And that was me, busto.
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PLO8 last night.
Tikay pot opens UTG 6 handed and fairly early doors, we know he has a strong hand. I come along from the SB with a pretty double suited hand full of wheel cards but crucially no 2. BB comes along and they will be priced in with pretty much anything.
I flop the "monster" bottom pair 2nd nut low and a double gutshot straight draw. I pot. Tikay puts me all in. I call. We show. I'm crushed but a 2 hits. SCOOPIO!
I thought I had murdered this hand. But apparently not, Tikay types WP so there you have it. Played it like a boss. Watch and learn.
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Ha, what a hand that was.
I genuinely could barely have flopped better - nut low already made, nut flush draw, backdoor spade flush draw, two pair or trips draw (I hit the 8), the full works.
FWIW (not much.....) when I have a hand that hits the flop that hard, I try to build the pot in anticipation of hitting my other draw (the high), so if anyone has A-2 with me, or a straight draw or whatever, they get three-quartered or scooped. It's a key component in O8.
On the downside, you mention that pesky 2. In the $1,500 WSOP PLO8 in Vegas, when I was going along very nicely, my exit was exactly that - I was 3 way for a giant pot, I had the A-2 & a lovely high, two others had A-3.
I was on the scoopio after the turn, but a pesky 2 rivered to kill my nut low & give BOTH of them the wheel. And that was me, busto.
What a game, eh?