It's definitely bizarre to not have a calling range here at all imo. I'm slightly leaning towards jamming but I think peeling is not much worse and is miles better than folding.
Madness imo to not setmine with all PPs at least. If we peel pre, then check/fold when we miss and now have 1900 it really has vvv little impact on our EV/ROI for the game, even more so if we reckon the game is vv soft like TK said.
There is a calling range, but doesn't have to include AK. All pocket pairs should call here closing the action and loads of other combo hands. Posted by bbMike
Yeah I was just replying to the person who said they jam JJ+ and fold everything else. Given it's 4BBs out of a stack of 100BB and as you say we're closing the action and know we'll have great implied odds multi-way against people TK thinks are weaker opponents there's lots we shold peel here
In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Yeah I was just replying to the person who said they jam JJ+ and fold everything else. Given it's 4BBs out of a stack of 100BB and as you say we're closing the action and know we'll have great implied odds multi-way against people TK thinks are weaker opponents there's lots we shold peel here Posted by Lambert180
Yeah fair enough, cross posting making things confused for me!
Just think it's worth saying that just because we think one hand should peel, doesn't mean we therefore think all hands better pre should also at least peel. E.g. might decide to peel T9s and fold A9o.
There is a calling range, but doesn't have to include AK. All pocket pairs should call here closing the action and loads of other combo hands. Posted by bbMike
So you are calling combo hands but not AK suited?
I am really struggling to understand this great edge we have if we are unable to play AK suited multi way.
Thing to also consider, if this is the action in level one chances are there will be similar action throughout so if we had AKs later on and we get a limper we reraise we could end up with four callers anyway.
So unless are plan is to sit and wait for aces or try to fold our way to the money completely we're going to have to get our hands dirty at some stage and AKs sounds like a pretty decent place to start.
I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger Posted by gerardirl
It's an additional 80 chips from a 2k stack, with a double nut maker. It's hardly a make or break DYM hand.
As above, there is probably an argument to call almost any 2 in this spot so AKs is at the very least a peel.
I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger Posted by gerardirl
Don't understand this post at all.
Can you tell me who the 60% players are over a proper sample, i don't know any, as that might help a bit?
In Response to Re: What should I do now? : So you are calling combo hands but not AK suited? I am really struggling to understand this great edge we have if we are unable to play AK suited multi way. Posted by MattBates
Yep, think I opt to raise here. You won't have a great edge if you're always going 5 to the flop in a bloated pot with little idea where you are OOP.
I guess its the struggle to understand why its a fold, that seperates the 60%+ win rate dymers from the others. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but I guess we have a lot of top mtts players that dont see it. Ger Posted by gerardirl
Go on I will bite. Please can you explain why we don't want to go multi way with a nut making hand when we close the action?
Really wow with five in the hand, not smarter to be patient, let some of them take each other out and then play your ak v 1 player instead of 5 hhy? As for playing any 2 cards, well try that and let me know how you get on? Fascinating thread. Posted by gerardirl
Is there any guarantee they will ''take each other out''? It's 80 chips from 2000 with a double nut making hand, I feel the need to reiterate.
Looks a pretty obvious spot to at the very least peel any2 and go from there.
In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Go on I will bite. Please can you explain why we don't want to go multi way with a nut making hand when we close the action? Posted by MattBates
Because often in a poor standard dym Matt you can let the field drop to 4 players without having to get involved early on. What Im not liking here is that you have 5 in the hand and it is very likely you will have spots to take on one player with a good hand instead of 5 players.
In Response to Re: What should I do now? : Because often in a poor standard dym Matt you can let the field drop to 4 players without having to get involved early on. What Im not liking here is that you have 5 in the hand and it is very likely you will have spots to take on one player with a good hand instead of 5 players. Posted by gerardirl
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I am really struggling to understand this great edge we have if we are unable to play AK suited multi way.