Remain-Backing Ministers Sajid Javid And Jeremy Hunt Go Full Hard Brexit
Cabinet ministers who campaigned for remain have thrown their weight behind hard Brexit policies as Theresa May allies were reported to be secretly planning for a second referendum. Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who has told the Sunday Telegraph he wanted a “crack” at being prime minister, has said that the UK would “flourish and prosper” if it left the EU with no deal. And according to the Sunday Times, his fellow remainer and potential rival for the Tory leadership, Home Secretary Sajid Javid, is backing a plan to cut EU immigration to 10,000 post-Brexit with a slew of stricter rules. It comes as Theresa May’s leadership looks to be under threat despite her surviving a no-confidence motion last week.
Second EU referendum would ‘break faith with British people’, Theresa May will warn MPs
Theresa May will condemn calls for a second Brexit referendum on Monday, telling MPs it would “break faith” the will of the people. The prime minister will use an address to the Commons on Monday to say a new national poll would do “irreparable damage” to the integrity of British politics
UK named as 'Golden Dumbass' by German satirical TV show
We’ve tried, and failed – so far at least, to find a way to leave the European Union, which for our friends in Brussels has served as proof of what a lame duck nation we are. German satirical programme Heute Show has cemented the stance of our continental cousins as they named the UK its ‘Golden Dumbass of the Year’ describing the nation as ‘the most confused island in the world’ and comparing Brexit to a sickness.
If we had another referendum, there is now a real choice available. Three real options are available, and each of them is pretty clear. The choice should be, The PMs deal, no deal, or Remain. The Government could implement the outcome without any further nonsense. The ERG, and the DUP would have to shut up. They could finally get on with it. The campaign would be interesting, as the Brextremists would be supporting no deal, whereas the more moderate leavers would be supporting The PMs deal.
Although some of the moderate Leavers have said that Remaining is preferable to The PMs deal.
I couldn't see no deal getting substantial support.
At least we would end up with a crystal clear result.
Still, whatever happens, better to live here than in some dreadful war zone or area blighted by famine. All these poor refugees (or "illegal immigrants" as they are often & cruelly described) desperately trying to find a better life would still prefer a messed up United Kingdom than living in, say, Yemen or Syria. They'd think the UK was the best place in the world, whilst many in the UK think the world is about to end if we offer the hand of friendship, at very small cost to our standard of living, to these poor people.
It's hard to know what to think.
There was a piece about refugees on Newsnight last night.
Another mess.
Dispersal of refugees is contracted out.
This means that it is probably in the interest of the company involved, with their profits in mind, to find as much substandard accommodation as possible.
This has lead to them occupying properties with rodent infestations, toilets leaking into kitchens, etc, etc.
It is commonplace for strangers to be sharing accommodation, and even beds.
The quest for cheap accommodation means that they mostly end up in The Midlands, and none in Theresa Mays constituency.
Three hundred councils have taken none, while places like Stoke are inundated.
Are our elected representatives capable of organising anything?
Drop the Target: Theresa May’s immigration cap missing from post-Brexit plan
The government’s long-expected post-Brexit immigration plan will have no reference to the Conservative manifesto pledge to reduce net migration down to the “tens of thousands”. Whitehall sources confirmed to The Independent that the target long-championed by Theresa May as home secretary and prime minister does not appear anywhere in the document.
Emergency no-deal Brexit contingency plans must now be implemented across government, cabinet ministers have agreed, including reserving ferry space for supplies and putting 3,500 armed forces personnel on standby to deal with any disruption. No 10 confirmed on Tuesday that cabinet ministers would “ramp up” no-deal planning, and that the departments would be expected to make it their main priority.
Business groups ‘watching in horror’ over risk of no-deal Brexit
The country’s five main business groups have issued a strongly worded warning about a no-deal Brexit, saying many firms are now reaching “the point of no return”. Contingency plans are being put in place for the UK leaving the EU without a deal, which are a “significant drain” on companies’ time and money, the Government was told. Firms are pausing or diverting investment that should be boosting productivity, jobs and pay, said the British Chambers of Commerce, CBI, EEF, Institute of Directors and Federation of Small Businesses. A joint statement said: “Businesses have been watching in horror as politicians have focused on factional disputes rather than practical steps that business needs to move forward. “The lack of progress in Westminster means that the risk of a no-deal Brexit is rising. “With just 100 days to go, the suggestion that no deal can be ‘managed’ is not a credible proposition.
EU's Verhofstadt blasts Hunt for ‘glorifying’ no-deal Brexit
Foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt has come under fire in Brussels for playing down the impact of a potential no-deal Brexit. Hunt is among a group of cabinet ministers who are pushing the prime minister to pursue a so-called “managed no-deal” if MPs reject the current Brexit deal. In an interview with the Sunday Times, he conceded that would cause “disruption” but argued the UK would still be able to “flourish and prosper.” “We’ve faced much bigger challenges in our history,” he insisted. Hunt’s position has been interpreted by many in the UK as a bid to place him at the front of the pack of possible successors to Theresa May. “This is a desperate attempt by Jeremy Hunt to try and win favour with the Brexiteer wing of his party,” said Conservative MP Virendra Sharma. Now Hunt’s comments have been blasted by European Parliament Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt. He said: “Those, like Jeremy Hunt, who glorify a no–deal Brexit are totally irresponsible. It is not the job of politicians to make the people they lead poorer, remove opportunities, rights and make lives more uncertain. There is no such thing as a ‘managed no deal.’”
Jaguar workers next to suffer the fallout from the Brexit bomb?
The Brexit bomb is exploding over Britain’s manufacturing industry, and the fall out is spreading. The latest evidence comes courtesy of reports that Jaguar Land Rover intends to axe thousands of jobs in the new year.
f it wasn’t for those pesky experts, we’d have our unicorns by now 🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄
Ted Crilly 2 weeks ago
Yes Liam there is a world outside of the EU. Unfortunately 80% of it lives on under 5 dollars a day. And most of whats left over is still an infeasible distance away.
An Fon 2 weeks ago
The world is just eagerly waiting to take advantage of a very needy Britain.
TheMystery Gamer 2 weeks ago
Debt, poverty, violation of human rights, homelessness, corruption, suicide, crime have all increased. Tories haven't done anything about national matters besides give speeches about how brilliant they are.
xyzz Doe 2 weeks ago
A main rule of business is to focus on keeping your existing customers as it is always more expensive to get new than to retain existing ones, and it is even more expensive to bring back disgruntled ex customers. To add insult to injury, the same countries the UK wants to do deals with can also negotiate deals with the EU, who, with more leverage, will get a far better deal than any the UK will get alone, and while the EU cost of negotiating the deal is borne by many countries, but the UK has to bear full brunt of time spent on all new Brexit deals. None of Brexit makes economic or business sense. Read more
Jill Saville 2 weeks ago
Probably already been said but if 80%of growth will be outside the EU, wouldn't it make sense to keep access to them via the EU trade deals already in place?
Martin O'BRIEN 2 weeks ago
BREXIT TURKEYS VOTING FOR CHRISTMAS .
arry Kelly 2 weeks ago
The Brexiteers seem to think they will get great trade deals on their own outside the EU. Really?
Iamtop 2 weeks ago (edited)
Yes Brexiters you are gonna get better trade deals than an economic superpower.... Because you know ! BRITAIN !!! /s It is crazy how delusional those people are....
Barry Kelly 2 weeks ago
The reality of this nonsense Brexit is coming through.
Martin Decamerone 2 weeks ago
But the big countries already said no to the deal u have now, they want more from the UK for a deal. Like the US with their food standards, Brazil, Australia Canada japan, said it had to be worse than a deal for the EU.
Mugdorna 2 weeks ago (edited)
Growth is always going to be focused on those nations that are still developing. How is the UK aerotech, finance and service industry going to be appealing to countries with under developed industries and/or economies? The GDP of France is currently equal to that of the African continent.
TheMystery Gamer 2 weeks ago
US food standards allow rat hair and maggots in their "edible" goods.
sergio gabriele cossu 2 weeks ago
I have a question for you English. What makes you think that the UK will be able to get a better deal than what you could get by being inside the European Union? What makes you think you're so special?
The Doctor 2 weeks ago (edited)
I find it amazing that a Brit turkey farmer who voted for bretix is moving half his firm to the EU.
mangalores-x_x 1 week ago
I still don't understand how you can derive an unquestionable mandate from a slim, simple majority of 52 to 48%. No referendum on such foundation changing issues should happen based on simple majorities plainly because this results in a divided society as shown the past two years.
A second referendum on the clear, on the table policy options would be actually the first informed referendum on the issue. But somehow Brexiteers are now claiming that having a second vote on a contentious, serious issue is somehow undemocratic because people can change their minds... you do know you reelect your parliament every five years and do so even more often when a government fails over not being able to agreeing on core policy? In most democracies you get an implicit two year rhythms as federal elections are often offset by a couple of years so a government doing poorly regularly gets blasted or reaffirmed after two years as state or other elections come up.
It's a mind boggling (mis)understanding of how democracy works.
Jean Jacques 2 weeks ago
The WTO procurement agreement will result in American health care companies legally demanding access to NHS contracts. We’ve already seen Virgin Health Care going to Court seeking £1m in damages from Surrey, resulting in £1m less in the Surrey health care budget. This has been facilitated by the Lansley’s reforms to further open up the health care budget to the private sector.
@HAYSIE "Whoever does the negotiations will face the same problems". And therein lies the problem,caused by 2 years of weak negotiations on our behalf. Perhaps if the negotiators had shown a bit more backbone and actually fought a lot harder for the best deal for us,instead of feebly accepting any scraps that the E.U. threw our way to placate us,we wouldn't now be in this situation. The country had the chance to stand up for itself and it has failed miserably and now we are suffering the consequences of their pathetic actions and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
James' Caller Is Sick Of EU Rules But Can't Name One He Wants To Stop
@HAYSIE "Whoever does the negotiations will face the same problems". And therein lies the problem,caused by 2 years of weak negotiations on our behalf. Perhaps if the negotiators had shown a bit more backbone and actually fought a lot harder for the best deal for us,instead of feebly accepting any scraps that the E.U. threw our way to placate us,we wouldn't now be in this situation. The country had the chance to stand up for itself and it has failed miserably and now we are suffering the consequences of their pathetic actions and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
James O'Brien vs bigoted caller with poor data connectivity
@HAYSIE "Whoever does the negotiations will face the same problems". And therein lies the problem,caused by 2 years of weak negotiations on our behalf. Perhaps if the negotiators had shown a bit more backbone and actually fought a lot harder for the best deal for us,instead of feebly accepting any scraps that the E.U. threw our way to placate us,we wouldn't now be in this situation. The country had the chance to stand up for itself and it has failed miserably and now we are suffering the consequences of their pathetic actions and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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Cabinet ministers who campaigned for remain have thrown their weight behind hard Brexit policies as Theresa May allies were reported to be secretly planning for a second referendum.
Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who has told the Sunday Telegraph he wanted a “crack” at being prime minister, has said that the UK would “flourish and prosper” if it left the EU with no deal.
And according to the Sunday Times, his fellow remainer and potential rival for the Tory leadership, Home Secretary Sajid Javid, is backing a plan to cut EU immigration to 10,000 post-Brexit with a slew of stricter rules.
It comes as Theresa May’s leadership looks to be under threat despite her surviving a no-confidence motion last week.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/remain-backing-ministers-sajid-javid-103445064.html
Theresa May will condemn calls for a second Brexit referendum on Monday, telling MPs it would “break faith” the will of the people.
The prime minister will use an address to the Commons on Monday to say a new national poll would do “irreparable damage” to the integrity of British politics
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/second-eu-referendum-break-faith-british-people-theresa-may-will-warn-mps-075833049.html
We’ve tried, and failed – so far at least, to find a way to leave the European Union, which for our friends in Brussels has served as proof of what a lame duck nation we are.
German satirical programme Heute Show has cemented the stance of our continental cousins as they named the UK its ‘Golden Dumbass of the Year’ describing the nation as ‘the most confused island in the world’ and comparing Brexit to a sickness.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-named-golden-dumbass-german-satirical-tv-show-132038799.html
Full heated brexit debate between Mp's David Davis & Anna Turley on Sky News with presenter Kay Burley.
Three real options are available, and each of them is pretty clear.
The choice should be, The PMs deal, no deal, or Remain.
The Government could implement the outcome without any further nonsense.
The ERG, and the DUP would have to shut up.
They could finally get on with it.
The campaign would be interesting, as the Brextremists would be supporting no deal, whereas the more moderate leavers would be supporting The PMs deal.
Although some of the moderate Leavers have said that Remaining is preferable to The PMs deal.
I couldn't see no deal getting substantial support.
At least we would end up with a crystal clear result.
Still, whatever happens, better to live here than in some dreadful war zone or area blighted by famine. All these poor refugees (or "illegal immigrants" as they are often & cruelly described) desperately trying to find a better life would still prefer a messed up United Kingdom than living in, say, Yemen or Syria. They'd think the UK was the best place in the world, whilst many in the UK think the world is about to end if we offer the hand of friendship, at very small cost to our standard of living, to these poor people.
It's hard to know what to think.
There was a piece about refugees on Newsnight last night.
Another mess.
Dispersal of refugees is contracted out.
This means that it is probably in the interest of the company involved, with their profits in mind, to find as much substandard accommodation as possible.
This has lead to them occupying properties with rodent infestations, toilets leaking into kitchens, etc, etc.
It is commonplace for strangers to be sharing accommodation, and even beds.
The quest for cheap accommodation means that they mostly end up in The Midlands, and none in Theresa Mays constituency.
Three hundred councils have taken none, while places like Stoke are inundated.
Are our elected representatives capable of organising anything?
The government’s long-expected post-Brexit immigration plan will have no reference to the Conservative manifesto pledge to reduce net migration down to the “tens of thousands”.
Whitehall sources confirmed to The Independent that the target long-championed by Theresa May as home secretary and prime minister does not appear anywhere in the document.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/drop-target-theresa-may-immigration-200800197.html
Emergency no-deal Brexit contingency plans must now be implemented across government, cabinet ministers have agreed, including reserving ferry space for supplies and putting 3,500 armed forces personnel on standby to deal with any disruption.
No 10 confirmed on Tuesday that cabinet ministers would “ramp up” no-deal planning, and that the departments would be expected to make it their main priority.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-plans-put-3500-troops-on-standby/ar-BBR6SZg?ocid=spartandhp
The country’s five main business groups have issued a strongly worded warning about a no-deal Brexit, saying many firms are now reaching “the point of no return”.
Contingency plans are being put in place for the UK leaving the EU without a deal, which are a “significant drain” on companies’ time and money, the Government was told.
Firms are pausing or diverting investment that should be boosting productivity, jobs and pay, said the British Chambers of Commerce, CBI, EEF, Institute of Directors and Federation of Small Businesses.
A joint statement said: “Businesses have been watching in horror as politicians have focused on factional disputes rather than practical steps that business needs to move forward.
“The lack of progress in Westminster means that the risk of a no-deal Brexit is rising.
“With just 100 days to go, the suggestion that no deal can be ‘managed’ is not a credible proposition.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/business-groups-watching-horror-over-013448585.html
Foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt has come under fire in Brussels for playing down the impact of a potential no-deal Brexit.
Hunt is among a group of cabinet ministers who are pushing the prime minister to pursue a so-called “managed no-deal” if MPs reject the current Brexit deal.
In an interview with the Sunday Times, he conceded that would cause “disruption” but argued the UK would still be able to “flourish and prosper.”
“We’ve faced much bigger challenges in our history,” he insisted.
Hunt’s position has been interpreted by many in the UK as a bid to place him at the front of the pack of possible successors to Theresa May.
“This is a desperate attempt by Jeremy Hunt to try and win favour with the Brexiteer wing of his party,” said Conservative MP Virendra Sharma.
Now Hunt’s comments have been blasted by European Parliament Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt.
He said: “Those, like Jeremy Hunt, who glorify a no–deal Brexit are totally irresponsible. It is not the job of politicians to make the people they lead poorer, remove opportunities, rights and make lives more uncertain. There is no such thing as a ‘managed no deal.’”
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/eus-verhofstadt-blasts-irresponsible-hunt-glorifying-no-deal-brexit-124008368.html
The Brexit bomb is exploding over Britain’s manufacturing industry, and the fall out is spreading.
The latest evidence comes courtesy of reports that Jaguar Land Rover intends to axe thousands of jobs in the new year.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/jaguar-workers-next-suffer-fallout-124700164.html
f it wasn’t for those pesky experts, we’d have our unicorns by now 🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄
Ted Crilly
2 weeks ago
Yes Liam there is a world outside of the EU.
Unfortunately 80% of it lives on under 5 dollars a day.
And most of whats left over is still an infeasible distance away.
An Fon
2 weeks ago
The world is just eagerly waiting to take advantage of a very needy Britain.
TheMystery Gamer
2 weeks ago
Debt, poverty, violation of human rights, homelessness, corruption, suicide, crime have all increased. Tories haven't done anything about national matters besides give speeches about how brilliant they are.
xyzz Doe
2 weeks ago
A main rule of business is to focus on keeping your existing customers as it is always more expensive to get new than to retain existing ones, and it is even more expensive to bring back disgruntled ex customers. To add insult to injury, the same countries the UK wants to do deals with can also negotiate deals with the EU, who, with more leverage, will get a far better deal than any the UK will get alone, and while the EU cost of negotiating the deal is borne by many countries, but the UK has to bear full brunt of time spent on all new Brexit deals. None of Brexit makes economic or business sense.
Read more
Jill Saville
2 weeks ago
Probably already been said but if 80%of growth will be outside the EU, wouldn't it make sense to keep access to them via the EU trade deals already in place?
Martin O'BRIEN
2 weeks ago
BREXIT TURKEYS VOTING FOR CHRISTMAS .
arry Kelly
2 weeks ago
The Brexiteers seem to think they will get great trade deals on their own outside the EU. Really?
Iamtop
2 weeks ago (edited)
Yes Brexiters you are gonna get better trade deals than an economic superpower.... Because you know ! BRITAIN !!! /s
It is crazy how delusional those people are....
Barry Kelly
2 weeks ago
The reality of this nonsense Brexit is coming through.
Martin Decamerone
2 weeks ago
But the big countries already said no to the deal u have now, they want more from the UK for a deal. Like the US with their food standards, Brazil, Australia Canada japan, said it had to be worse than a deal for the EU.
Mugdorna
2 weeks ago (edited)
Growth is always going to be focused on those nations that are still developing. How is the UK aerotech, finance and service industry going to be appealing to countries with under developed industries and/or economies?
The GDP of France is currently equal to that of the African continent.
TheMystery Gamer
2 weeks ago
US food standards allow rat hair and maggots in their "edible" goods.
sergio gabriele cossu
2 weeks ago
I have a question for you English. What makes you think that the UK will be able to get a better deal than what you could get by being inside the European Union? What makes you think you're so special?
The Doctor
2 weeks ago (edited)
I find it amazing that a Brit turkey farmer who voted for bretix is moving half his firm to the EU.
mangalores-x_x
1 week ago
I still don't understand how you can derive an unquestionable mandate from a slim, simple majority of 52 to 48%. No referendum on such foundation changing issues should happen based on simple majorities plainly because this results in a divided society as shown the past two years.
A second referendum on the clear, on the table policy options would be actually the first informed referendum on the issue. But somehow Brexiteers are now claiming that having a second vote on a contentious, serious issue is somehow undemocratic because people can change their minds... you do know you reelect your parliament every five years and do so even more often when a government fails over not being able to agreeing on core policy? In most democracies you get an implicit two year rhythms as federal elections are often offset by a couple of years so a government doing poorly regularly gets blasted or reaffirmed after two years as state or other elections come up.
It's a mind boggling (mis)understanding of how democracy works.
Jean Jacques
2 weeks ago
The WTO procurement agreement will result in American health care companies legally demanding access to NHS contracts. We’ve already seen Virgin Health Care going to Court seeking £1m in damages from Surrey, resulting in £1m less in the Surrey health care budget. This has been facilitated by the Lansley’s reforms to further open up the health care budget to the private sector.
James' Caller Is Sick Of EU Rules But Can't Name One He Wants To Stop