tomgoodun thinks because we already have rapists and nonces in this Country, it doesnt matter if we import some more. And they wonder why 22 Countries in Europe are voting and supporting Right Wing Parties.
Please don’t misquote me
Where do you get the info that we want to import them? Are you saying we should close our borders?
Goldon they are keyboard warriors, and they are very upset because they can see the rise of right wing populism, ie TRUMP, AUSTRIA, HUNGARY, ITALY, BRAZIL,FRANCE, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, SPAIN, HOLLAND.
Obviously someone isn't getting the attention he craves so much on his " lets just quote dubious media sources " brexit thread . To be fair anyone who has to result in name calling Haysie , really isn't that bright , and certainly not an accomplished debater .....just someone looking for an argument , wherever he can find it !
I have made no claims about any debating skills, and am unaware of using dubious media sources.
Tom, given our situation ( cough! ) would you agree .... prevention is better than cure. !
I’m sorry, you will have to spell it out for me - What situation?, How do you prevent these awful crimes happening?
Do you mean close our borders to prevent “Johnny Foreigner” coming to our shores to commit this awful act ,as we are more than capable ( we being the White British,as I’m reading between the lines ) of committing it ourselves ?
So because we have, nonces already in this country, its ok to import some more.
So on the 4% of the 6,200 offenders quoted earlier that were Asian do you know how many were imported, and how many were born here?
My apologies, do you agree with haysie that the parents should take some of the blame?
Since you ask...
I agree with Haysie that the rapists are to blame and that in some cases the victims have also been let down by their parents/carers. I certainly don't blame parents though.
In many cases parents and carers were the ones making complaints and not being listened to.
Unfortunately adolescents take their cues on what is the best thing to do from their peers and not their parents, It is part of growing up and becoming independent. Unfortunately if a child's peers are being groomed then it is easier to be trapped into that cycle regardless of the influence of a parent.
Paedophiles will prey on the more vulnerable children, ones with low self esteem, loners who are flattered by attention etc and poor parenting may be a factor in that. In some cases they may be rebelling against overly strict parents.
Ignored for being 'MIDDLE CLASS': Social services dismissed child victims of UK's largest Asian grooming gang because they lived in homes with 'nice kitchens and conservatories', claims charity
haysie you a a despicable low life who partly blames the parents for their Children being raped. I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
Those that get found guilty will be sentenced, as has been the case.
Are you in agreement that people in this country should get a fair trial? Do you agree that some people have been accused are innocent?
What impact on innocent parties do you think a person outside of court highlighting everything ( even when they have been told not to, as it would potentially endanger the case against them, whether they are guilty or innocent)
Is anyone above the law in this country? Should Tommy abide by the law?
I have read a bit of this thread as you suggested.
This is clearly a debate between the moderate, sensible views shared by the overwhelming majority of this country, against the incoherent, ramblings of the miniscule minority. It is not sensible to take an event, situation, or circumstance and distort the facts. If the majority of members of grooming gangs are Asian or Muslim, it doesn't follow that all Asians and Muslims are paedophiles or villains. To stir up Religious or Race hatred on this basis, is not only wrong, it is illegal.
The men involved in these offences are clearly despicable, and probably deserve more porridge than they actually got.
You would also hope that the parents concerned might have learnt some lessons. If I was a white man with a daughter as young as 11 years old, that was out until all hours, taking drugs, drinking alcohol, and having sex with lots of Asian men, I might be thinking I had completely neglected my responsibilities as a parent. I am not saying I blame the parents, the culprits are clearly to blame, but the parents must surely accept some responsibility.
As I said on another thread the other day, the problem with opinions is that they are like are5eholes everyone has got one. Some of the opinions expressed on this thread are very obviously bigoted and racist, and make a sensible person question the merits of freedom of speech.
I think the Home Secretary sent an ill judged tweet on the subject. I think he was trying to illustrate that he was prepared to criticise his own kind. He had just started the job, and was attempting to make a point. I think he probably now sees it as a mistake, as he is now being quoted by the loonies.
Here are a couple of facts that will be inconvenient for the loonies.
On a point of fairness, you will like this one,
Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement.
But not this one,
Nearly 90% of those convicted of wider child abuse offences and on the sex offenders register are white men.
And definitely not this one,
It provided us with data on the number of defendants prosecuted for sex offences in cases flagged as relating to child abuse in 2015/16. It also included the ethnicity of those defendants. Of the 6,200 or so defendants in these prosecutions, 67% were white, 4% were Asian, 3% were black, 1% were mixed race and 1% were other. For 24% of defendant’s there was no information on their ethnicity. Of all these prosecutions, around three quarters resulted in a conviction.
I have not read the Court Transcripts. I am not sure what benefit you think this would give me, and it appears to be another question that you don't wish to answer, I have, however, watched a tv documentary, and read a number of newspaper articles. I feel this has given me a good sense of what has gone on, and don't see a benefit in just reading the gory details. Are you trying to set yourself up as an Asian Grooming Gang expert, or some sort of authority on their victims. Why would you read the Court Transcripts? Do you read many Court Transcripts? Which other cases have you read transcripts on?
You have stated in a previous post that a high percentage of these kids were in care, something that is completely untrue. I can therefore understand why you have no wish to expand upon this claim. I also don't believe you have a clue on the number of child sex offenders that we imported, and how many were born in the UK.
Facts seem to get in the way of many of your arguments.
I have no real interest in reading your cv, I was just making the point that it might not compare favourably with Diane Abbots. I am not a big fan, but she was the first black woman ever elected as an MP. She will always be remembered for that feat. Kids will be taught about her in schools for hundreds of years to come. Yet you seem to have a very biased view of her. What do you think you could possibly be remembered for? I cant really understand why any sensible person spends any time debating on this thread. I for one don't intend to waste any more of my time.
haysie you a a despicable low life who partly blames the parents for their Children being raped. I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
If I was 12 years old, I might have responded it to this.
haysie you a a despicable low life who partly blames the parents for their Children being raped. I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
If I was 12 years old, I might have responded it to this.
There seems to be a few 12 year olds on this thread it's like being at school again
So No Crime Prevention let the crime take place prosecute the offender then blame the victim for being naive. You leave your Front Door open when you go out.!
How do you think we should prevent this crime?
By informing the Public that it's happening not cover it up, ignore it, hope it goes away.
It found that 36% of perpetrators of gang or group related sexual violence were white, 27% were asian, and 16% were of an undisclosed ethnicity. The majority of child victims of gang or group related sexual violence (60%) were recorded as "white", with unknown making up the second largest category at 14%
haysie you a a despicable low life who partly blames the parents for their Children being raped. I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
If I was 12 years old, I might have responded it to this.
haysie you a a despicable low life who partly blames the parents for their Children being raped. I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
If I was 12 years old, I might have responded it to this.
You just did respond ! Also I refer you to your earlier post when you said you wouldn't be wasting anymore time on the thread , related to Jacquelyn by any chance ?
Home Secretary Sajid Javid write to Labour MP Sarah Champion ( PA ) Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into why members of sexual grooming gangs are disproportionately from a Pakistani background.
My apologies, do you agree with haysie that the parents should take some of the blame?
Since you ask...
I agree with Haysie that the rapists are to blame and that in some cases the victims have also been let down by their parents/carers. I certainly don't blame parents though.
In many cases parents and carers were the ones making complaints and not being listened to.
Unfortunately adolescents take their cues on what is the best thing to do from their peers and not their parents, It is part of growing up and becoming independent. Unfortunately if a child's peers are being groomed then it is easier to be trapped into that cycle regardless of the influence of a parent.
Paedophiles will prey on the more vulnerable children, ones with low self esteem, loners who are flattered by attention etc and poor parenting may be a factor in that. In some cases they may be rebelling against overly strict parents.
That statement does apportion blame to some of the parents !
The government received information detailing the extent of grooming gang activity in Rotherham as far back as 2002 but failed to properly act on it, a review has found.
The National Crime Agency’s ongoing investigation has revealed that more than 1,500 girls and young women may have been abused in the Yorkshire town between 1997 and 2013.
A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.
Goldon they are keyboard warriors, and they are very upset because they can see the rise of right wing populism, ie TRUMP, AUSTRIA, HUNGARY, ITALY, BRAZIL,FRANCE, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, SPAIN, HOLLAND.
Obviously someone isn't getting the attention he craves so much on his " lets just quote dubious media sources " brexit thread . To be fair anyone who has to result in name calling Haysie , really isn't that bright , and certainly not an accomplished debater .....just someone looking for an argument , wherever he can find it !
I have made no claims about any debating skills, and am unaware of using dubious media sources.
Just as well , and I never said you did . As far as Media sources , all you do is hunt for the media that best supports your position , don't see you actually quoting any sources that state FACT over supposition . Take yahoo news for example https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/yahoo-news/ seriously , why don't you just go the whole 9 yards and start rolling out Huffington post as well . Obviously I don't expect a reply as you stated several posts ago , it was your last word on the subject !
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Its ok to be racist if you are muslim.
tomgoodun thinks because we already have rapists and nonces in this Country, it doesnt matter if we import some more.
And they wonder why 22 Countries in Europe are voting and supporting Right Wing Parties.
Please don’t misquote me
Where do you get the info that we want to import them?
Are you saying we should close our borders?
Do you think Right Wing Politics is a good thing?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6400545/Social-services-ignored-victims-UKs-largest-Asian-grooming-gang-middle-class.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490
I will show you my C.V in person, and then you can debate your points in person, or are you a typical liberal who can only insult people through a keyboard.
I have not read the Court Transcripts. I am not sure what benefit you think this would give me, and it appears to be another question that you don't wish to answer,
I have, however, watched a tv documentary, and read a number of newspaper articles.
I feel this has given me a good sense of what has gone on, and don't see a benefit in just reading the gory details.
Are you trying to set yourself up as an Asian Grooming Gang expert, or some sort of authority on their victims.
Why would you read the Court Transcripts?
Do you read many Court Transcripts?
Which other cases have you read transcripts on?
You have stated in a previous post that a high percentage of these kids were in care, something that is completely untrue. I can therefore understand why you have no wish to expand upon this claim.
I also don't believe you have a clue on the number of child sex offenders that we imported, and how many were born in the UK.
Facts seem to get in the way of many of your arguments.
I have no real interest in reading your cv, I was just making the point that it might not compare favourably with Diane Abbots. I am not a big fan, but she was the first black woman ever elected as an MP. She will always be remembered for that feat. Kids will be taught about her in schools for hundreds of years to come. Yet you seem to have a very biased view of her.
What do you think you could possibly be remembered for?
I cant really understand why any sensible person spends any time debating on this thread.
I for one don't intend to waste any more of my time.
It found that 36% of perpetrators of gang or group related sexual violence were white, 27% were asian, and 16% were of an undisclosed ethnicity. The majority of child victims of gang or group related sexual violence (60%) were recorded as "white", with unknown making up the second largest category at 14%
https://fullfact.org/crime/grooming-gangs-what-we-know-about-perpetrators-and-victims/
Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into why members of sexual grooming gangs are disproportionately from a Pakistani background.
The National Crime Agency’s ongoing investigation has revealed that more than 1,500 girls and young women may have been abused in the Yorkshire town between 1997 and 2013.
A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.