well anyone who thinks someone who joins a terrorist cell and justifies why they bombed manchester want their head testing you did hear the bit where she showed no remorse and justified bombing manchester right...so you want people like this to come back to the uk potentially radicalise other people or even murder other people in our country all in the name of isis you want your head testing !!!! if one person gets murdered would you be prepared to say sorry to the families because you belive they deserve a 2nd chance
What punishment is appropriate to this woman?
Conspired against britain for another power safe to say treason would be good hang the **** for me
No, no speak your mind...don't hold back!
Sorry, should clarify my position I suppose
I think she left Britain as an articulate, educated but naive 15 year old...she now wants to return as a woman - who has had more than enough life experiences to enable her to have a more informed view..unfortunately when interviewed, her views on Manchester continued to be biased towards the life she has been living within the ISIS world , by choice!
The recent interview with her Dutch husband seemed to illustrate that she appears to be still more radical than him!
Whilst it has no basis in law and I think it will be overturned on appeal, Saveed Javed's decision was the right one for all parties:
She won't be at risk of her life It won't cost the public purse in protection costs The political stance sends a message that if you go to support a terrorist regime, you don't deserve to retain your citizenship
Having said that, she will probably come home, face UK justice and cost the country millions over her lifetime being 'protected'
She should go to Holland and be with her husband...in jail btw
Hi Prof.
There is no natural other home for this woman.
Her Dutch Husband is seeking to use her as a bargaining chip-unlike her, he is facing likely charges in Syria. He has no doubt killed people fighting for his cause.
How would we react if it were the other way round. Would you be happy to take the foreign wife of a UK-born terrorist, even though she had no other link to this country?
Hey Phil
I don't hold the radical views posted re: all forms of retribution, other than an expectation that as an adult woman, she should face the legal processes in this country, should she return as a UK citizen, in line with our laws against terrorism
Agreed re ; status, hence why I said originally the appeal against Saveed Javed's ruling will in all likelihood be heard and won, though she can claim Dutch citizenship as the spouse? ( I know they don't want her either!)
Re: Husband-I haven't followed is a closely as you so accept your interpretation and views,
Yes, I agree, like Holland I probably wouldn't want the foreign wife here
So its lose, lose, lose all the way around.
Another post suggested that the costs of this issues shouldn't be considered.....can't agree that this isn't an issue
Final point on this matter, from me anyway; thanks for not correcting my grammar/typos btw The ancient law of treason may be rewritten to make it easier to prosecute returning jihadist fighters and their supporters, the Home Secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the idea of updating 650-year-old legislation to catch more home-grown extremists was “worth looking at carefully”.
It comes amid concerns that too many jihadists and their brides are escaping prosecution after returning to Britain.
Ministers are currently examining ways to legally prevent 19-year-old Shamima Begum from finding her way back to the UK after she ran away from her London school to join Isil.
Doubt this has happened yet? You're the legal eagle on these things
GL in Vegas sats
Agree with all that apart from the treason bit.
We might need new laws. We don't need old ones-there is always a reason they were dropped.
healing process will never made Simply because they are following a ideal set by religion we will alway be the enemy i am a realist and it takes bad people to protect =do gooders who think they are helping society her mindset is made and wont change she may saywhat you want to hear but ultimately her beliefs are strong its a bit like knife crime they cried fould for stop and search etc pleaded racist and everyone clambered to appease the pc brigade now we have an epidemic Same goes to terrorists give them a chance and your breeding the next generation of jihadis when they spread their filth in the uk to naive people helped because eu rules forbid us from kicking them out go figure Let her rot there is consequences for actions
Taking this stance to its logical conclusion, we keep fighting each other, keep killing each other, what’s your projection of the end game? Would it be when all those who get radicalised and those doing the radicalising are wiped off the face of the earth? Biggest gun / weapons win?
Do you think education and love for fellow human is a waste of time?
Well nothing new there been going on for a couple thousand years
one thing i will say all you lot giving her a chance who would be happy with her living next door !!!
“Been going on for a couple thousand years” . Does that not tell you anything? The hate for each other isn’t working... Have you ever made a stupid choice in your life? Do you still stand by that choice? As mentioned, would be safer with her next door than a lot of places, if indeed she doesn’t go to jail, and have a lengthy de-radicalisation program put in place.
healing process will never made Simply because they are following a ideal set by religion we will alway be the enemy i am a realist and it takes bad people to protect =do gooders who think they are helping society her mindset is made and wont change she may saywhat you want to hear but ultimately her beliefs are strong its a bit like knife crime they cried fould for stop and search etc pleaded racist and everyone clambered to appease the pc brigade now we have an epidemic Same goes to terrorists give them a chance and your breeding the next generation of jihadis when they spread their filth in the uk to naive people helped because eu rules forbid us from kicking them out go figure Let her rot there is consequences for actions
Taking this stance to its logical conclusion, we keep fighting each other, keep killing each other, what’s your projection of the end game? Would it be when all those who get radicalised and those doing the radicalising are wiped off the face of the earth? Biggest gun / weapons win?
Do you think education and love for fellow human is a waste of time?
Well nothing new there been going on for a couple thousand years
one thing i will say all you lot giving her a chance who would be happy with her living next door !!!
Wouldn't it be the best thing ever if we were the generation that stopped that helped to stop that endless circle of violence?
Animals fight, instinctively, humans can surely do better than that?
At some point we have to try & stop all this hating & fighting, and if that means we are the first, fine by me.
healing process will never made Simply because they are following a ideal set by religion we will alway be the enemy i am a realist and it takes bad people to protect =do gooders who think they are helping society her mindset is made and wont change she may saywhat you want to hear but ultimately her beliefs are strong its a bit like knife crime they cried fould for stop and search etc pleaded racist and everyone clambered to appease the pc brigade now we have an epidemic Same goes to terrorists give them a chance and your breeding the next generation of jihadis when they spread their filth in the uk to naive people helped because eu rules forbid us from kicking them out go figure Let her rot there is consequences for actions
Taking this stance to its logical conclusion, we keep fighting each other, keep killing each other, what’s your projection of the end game? Would it be when all those who get radicalised and those doing the radicalising are wiped off the face of the earth? Biggest gun / weapons win?
Do you think education and love for fellow human is a waste of time?
Well nothing new there been going on for a couple thousand years
one thing i will say all you lot giving her a chance who would be happy with her living next door !!!
Wouldn't it be the best thing ever if we were the generation that stopped that helped to stop that endless circle of violence?
Animals fight, instinctively, humans can surely do better than that?
At some point we have to try & stop all this hating & fighting, and if that means we are the first, fine by me.
id be more concerned about the pollution of the world than stopping hating for the sake of welcoming a terrorist back with open arms
However Would you have her as a neighbour and be Happy
it is a typical soft touch approach what has society as it is now zero respect
NO apex predator in the wild shows mercy ultimately we are still animals show weakness they will pounce
healing process will never made Simply because they are following a ideal set by religion we will alway be the enemy i am a realist and it takes bad people to protect =do gooders who think they are helping society her mindset is made and wont change she may saywhat you want to hear but ultimately her beliefs are strong its a bit like knife crime they cried fould for stop and search etc pleaded racist and everyone clambered to appease the pc brigade now we have an epidemic Same goes to terrorists give them a chance and your breeding the next generation of jihadis when they spread their filth in the uk to naive people helped because eu rules forbid us from kicking them out go figure Let her rot there is consequences for actions
Taking this stance to its logical conclusion, we keep fighting each other, keep killing each other, what’s your projection of the end game? Would it be when all those who get radicalised and those doing the radicalising are wiped off the face of the earth? Biggest gun / weapons win?
Do you think education and love for fellow human is a waste of time?
Well nothing new there been going on for a couple thousand years
one thing i will say all you lot giving her a chance who would be happy with her living next door !!!
Wouldn't it be the best thing ever if we were the generation that stopped that helped to stop that endless circle of violence?
Animals fight, instinctively, humans can surely do better than that?
At some point we have to try & stop all this hating & fighting, and if that means we are the first, fine by me.
id be more concerned about the pollution of the world than stopping hating for the sake of welcoming a terrorist back with open arms
However Would you have her as a neighbour and be Happy
it is a typical soft touch approach what has society as it is now zero respect
NO apex predator in the wild shows mercy ultimately we are still animals show weakness they will pounce
Not sure I would label her a "terrorist". Not sure about "open arms" either, she must be subjected to the course of the law.
Pollution, yes, a terrible thing, but so are the untold number of deaths from terrorism & hate. Neither will go away unless we change our attitudes & approach.
well anyone who thinks someone who joins a terrorist cell and justifies why they bombed manchester want their head testing you did hear the bit where she showed no remorse and justified bombing manchester right...so you want people like this to come back to the uk potentially radicalise other people or even murder other people in our country all in the name of isis you want your head testing !!!! if one person gets murdered would you be prepared to say sorry to the families because you belive they deserve a 2nd chance
What punishment is appropriate to this woman?
Conspired against britain for another power safe to say treason would be good hang the **** for me
No, no speak your mind...don't hold back!
Sorry, should clarify my position I suppose
I think she left Britain as an articulate, educated but naive 15 year old...she now wants to return as a woman - who has had more than enough life experiences to enable her to have a more informed view..unfortunately when interviewed, her views on Manchester continued to be biased towards the life she has been living within the ISIS world , by choice!
The recent interview with her Dutch husband seemed to illustrate that she appears to be still more radical than him!
Whilst it has no basis in law and I think it will be overturned on appeal, Saveed Javed's decision was the right one for all parties:
She won't be at risk of her life It won't cost the public purse in protection costs The political stance sends a message that if you go to support a terrorist regime, you don't deserve to retain your citizenship
Having said that, she will probably come home, face UK justice and cost the country millions over her lifetime being 'protected'
She should go to Holland and be with her husband...in jail btw
Hi Prof.
There is no natural other home for this woman.
Her Dutch Husband is seeking to use her as a bargaining chip-unlike her, he is facing likely charges in Syria. He has no doubt killed people fighting for his cause.
How would we react if it were the other way round. Would you be happy to take the foreign wife of a UK-born terrorist, even though she had no other link to this country?
Hey Phil
I don't hold the radical views posted re: all forms of retribution, other than an expectation that as an adult woman, she should face the legal processes in this country, should she return as a UK citizen, in line with our laws against terrorism
Agreed re ; status, hence why I said originally the appeal against Saveed Javed's ruling will in all likelihood be heard and won, though she can claim Dutch citizenship as the spouse? ( I know they don't want her either!)
Re: Husband-I haven't followed is a closely as you so accept your interpretation and views,
Yes, I agree, like Holland I probably wouldn't want the foreign wife here
So its lose, lose, lose all the way around.
Another post suggested that the costs of this issues shouldn't be considered.....can't agree that this isn't an issue
Final point on this matter, from me anyway; thanks for not correcting my grammar/typos btw The ancient law of treason may be rewritten to make it easier to prosecute returning jihadist fighters and their supporters, the Home Secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the idea of updating 650-year-old legislation to catch more home-grown extremists was “worth looking at carefully”.
It comes amid concerns that too many jihadists and their brides are escaping prosecution after returning to Britain.
Ministers are currently examining ways to legally prevent 19-year-old Shamima Begum from finding her way back to the UK after she ran away from her London school to join Isil.
Doubt this has happened yet? You're the legal eagle on these things
GL in Vegas sats
650 year common law is used in a lot of legal so therefore easy to apply everytime folks are arrested and tried in court they have to apply common law statutes mean nothing has to be an act of parliment
650 year old common law?
Hardly. That period was called the "Dark Ages" because, between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance very few people recorded anything. So, little or no Common Law. Technological advances mean far more cases reported in last 10 years.
I cannot recall a single case from before 1750. And I have been doing law since I had hair. I do recall a reported case between 2 highwaymen about division of the loot. I only remember it because both sides were hanged. Not likely today.
when you are charged with any offence everything is contrary to common law
No. Common Law is everything that is not a Statute or what is known as "devolved legislation"-Statutory Instruments, EU directives and the like.
The reason Prosecutors say "and contrary to common law" is to protect themselves in case they have quoted the wrong act or section number, and because there are still a few common law offences left.
when you are charged with any offence everything is contrary to common law
No. Common Law is everything that is not a Statute or what is known as "devolved legislation"-Statutory Instruments, EU directives and the like.
The reason Prosecutors say "and contrary to common law" is to protect themselves in case they have quoted the wrong act or section number, and because there are still a few common law offences left.
Should we be stripping this guy of his British citizenship too?
Yes.
What's the criteria then? Where is the line drawn?
You asked a simple question and I gave a simple answer. I'm not going to get into a big debate about the rights and wrongs of each others opinions,as has been seen previously on these type of posts. All I will say,is that (in my opinion) anyone who commits an act of terrorism against their home country,where ever and which ever country that may be in,in the world,forfeits any rights to that said country.
half the problem is in the uk is conforming to people who call racist card everybody too scared to do owt because your called racist if you say anything about jews your zenophobic oh and if you speak like me your classed as a bigot because it does not conform to PC views End of the day she joined a terrorist organisation it should be made very hard for her to come back just might make it a deterrent to others
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We might need new laws. We don't need old ones-there is always a reason they were dropped.
GL
Have you ever made a stupid choice in your life? Do you still stand by that choice?
As mentioned, would be safer with her next door than a lot of places, if indeed she doesn’t go to jail, and have a lengthy de-radicalisation program put in place.
Wouldn't it be the best thing ever if we were the generation that stopped that helped to stop that endless circle of violence?
Animals fight, instinctively, humans can surely do better than that?
At some point we have to try & stop all this hating & fighting, and if that means we are the first, fine by me.
However Would you have her as a neighbour and be Happy
it is a typical soft touch approach what has society as it is now zero respect
NO apex predator in the wild shows mercy ultimately we are still animals show weakness they will pounce
Pollution, yes, a terrible thing, but so are the untold number of deaths from terrorism & hate. Neither will go away unless we change our attitudes & approach.
Hardly. That period was called the "Dark Ages" because, between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance very few people recorded anything. So, little or no Common Law. Technological advances mean far more cases reported in last 10 years.
I cannot recall a single case from before 1750. And I have been doing law since I had hair. I do recall a reported case between 2 highwaymen about division of the loot. I only remember it because both sides were hanged. Not likely today.
A statute IS an Act of Parliament...
The reason Prosecutors say "and contrary to common law" is to protect themselves in case they have quoted the wrong act or section number, and because there are still a few common law offences left.
Should we be stripping this guy of his British citizenship too?
Nothing could possibly go wrong.
End of the day she joined a terrorist organisation it should be made very hard for her to come back just might make it a deterrent to others