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ALAN18 CASH GAME PROGRESS THREAD 4NL to 50NL IN 6 MONTHS

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  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    Bust out of Sharpshooter - 3bet shoved my JJ villain called AQdd and flopped flush. Out in 112th :neutral:
  • K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,027
    ALAN_18 said:

    Im only saying it because if Sky see you are not a responsible gambler then they will just close account.

    Thanks for pointing that out mate but I am sure since opening my account a few month ago combining poker with sports betting/casino I will still be up overall.

    However I will be more careful what I post in the future. Gl in the Sharpshooter anyway, i'm still hovering around 5k. How are you getting on ?

    I busted :( was short most of the way. AQ lost to k2 :(

    You could withdraw each week/month and be £10k in profit over x years and say a few alarming words and your account could be closed.
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    K0BAYASHl said:

    ALAN_18 said:

    Im only saying it because if Sky see you are not a responsible gambler then they will just close account.

    Thanks for pointing that out mate but I am sure since opening my account a few month ago combining poker with sports betting/casino I will still be up overall.

    However I will be more careful what I post in the future. Gl in the Sharpshooter anyway, i'm still hovering around 5k. How are you getting on ?

    I busted :( was short most of the way. AQ lost to k2 :(

    You could withdraw each week/month and be £10k in profit over x years and say a few alarming words and your account could be closed.
    OK mate guess i'll be more careful in future. Out of curiosity have you seen accounts been closed before through forum comments ?

    Logging off for the night anyway, GL for the rest of the night :smile:
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,127
    edited May 2019
    Hi @ALAN_18

    I haven't read all of the posts, (just due to the time factor) but wish you the best of luck with it.

    My self and a group of friends share ideas etc on Hand Histories.

    If you think it would help and would like to be included in these emails, then msg me your email address.

    All the best with your game!
  • day4eire76day4eire76 Member Posts: 912
    K0BAYASHl said:

    Im only saying it because if Sky see you are not a responsible gambler then they will just close account.

    I started 4nl like you. Then I moved up to play 10nl. I used to 8 - 12 table 10nl, then I moved to 20/30nl. I enjoy it but I also love HU. Theres so much money to be won at 10/20/30nl.

    I cant remember my biggest Downswing tbh. Thats only because I haven't played 10nl for a year atleast I think. I only started recording my daily +- last year and most of my time has been HU with a few spins and 6max 100bb games.

    Best of luck with your goals.

    Just wanted to comment on the highlighted bit.

    I had/have accounts betting and poker on multiple sites and I have never heard of one instance were an account has been closed for irresponsible betting.
    I am thinking when Tikay posted above he was saying it is always a bad idea to try and bet your way out of a loss.
    Reason for account to be closed or restricted would have nothing to do with tilt gambling it would be more to do with (winning too much or exploiting free bets etc ) this is on the gambling side.
    On the poker side winning a lot makes no difference to the site, reasons for account to be closed are various but for instance multi accounting or abusing promos. An example of this would be 2 players playing the same account to try and win a rake race .


  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    StayOrGo said:

    Hi @ALAN_18

    I haven't read all of the posts, (just due to the time factor) but wish you the best of luck with it.

    My self and a group of friends share ideas etc on Hand Histories.

    If you think it would help and would like to be included in these emails, then msg me your email address.

    All the best with your game!

    Hello mate are these centred more towards cash games or MTT's ? Either way mate it is a kind offer and on the rare occasion that I do play MTT's it would be nice to have some one to look over the odd hand if need be, and if it is cash games then even better. I will send you a PM with my e mail address.

    All the Best :smile:
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225

    K0BAYASHl said:

    Im only saying it because if Sky see you are not a responsible gambler then they will just close account.

    I started 4nl like you. Then I moved up to play 10nl. I used to 8 - 12 table 10nl, then I moved to 20/30nl. I enjoy it but I also love HU. Theres so much money to be won at 10/20/30nl.

    I cant remember my biggest Downswing tbh. Thats only because I haven't played 10nl for a year atleast I think. I only started recording my daily +- last year and most of my time has been HU with a few spins and 6max 100bb games.

    Best of luck with your goals.

    Just wanted to comment on the highlighted bit.

    I had/have accounts betting and poker on multiple sites and I have never heard of one instance were an account has been closed for irresponsible betting.
    I am thinking when Tikay posted above he was saying it is always a bad idea to try and bet your way out of a loss.
    Reason for account to be closed or restricted would have nothing to do with tilt gambling it would be more to do with (winning too much or exploiting free bets etc ) this is on the gambling side.
    On the poker side winning a lot makes no difference to the site, reasons for account to be closed are various but for instance multi accounting or abusing promos. An example of this would be 2 players playing the same account to try and win a rake race .


    That's what I thought to be honest mate but I am sure @KOBAYASHI is only looking out for me as he has been more than helpful every time I have talked to him in the past. Thanks for popping in anyway mate :smile:
  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,127
    edited May 2019
    Hi @ALAN_18

    I am more of an MTT player, but there are some VERY GOOD cash players in the group that may be able to help you. @Alvez11 @FeelGroggy @Limp2Lose @rspca12 to name a few. (Subject to receiving their formal agreement saying they are OK to be a part of it.)

    Haven't got your email yet, when you send it can you please also state that you are OK with the other members of the group having your email address.

    Cheers,

    Graham.
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    StayOrGo said:

    Hi @ALAN_18

    I am more of an MTT player, but there are some VERY GOOD cash players in the group that may be able to help you. @Alvez11 @FeelGroggy @Limp2Lose @rspca12 to name a few. (Subject to receiving their formal agreement saying they are OK to be a part of it.)

    Haven't got your email yet, when you send it can you please also state that you are OK with the other members of the group having your email address.

    Cheers,

    Graham.

    Hello mate I have just sent you a private message with my e mail enclosed. I really appreciate you getting in touch and giving me the opportunity to talk through hands with players of this standard.

    Thanks again and All the Best :smiley:
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 160,082
    edited May 2019
    Morning.

    Just thought I'd better address this RG (Responsible Gaming) thing.

    The advice given by others, @KOBAYASHI & @day4eire76 included, is all good sensible stuff.

    The comment that sparked it off was by me, saying "tilt is bad". And it IS bad. Good winning players have little incremental advantages over others, but that benefit is more than wiped out by "tilt". Once addressed, it's very easy to solve.

    Have to say though, that whilst RG is very important right across SB&G, there has never been an instance that I'm aware of where a stray comment on this Forum has been interpreted as irresponsible as to RG. And that's because I don't ever recall seeing any comments that offend RG here. Now & then I might see a comment which gets close to the line, when that happens I generally remove it & then send the author a PM just to say "watch what you do & say pal".

    The comment by @ALAN_18 that he had tilt bet £40 did not offend RG, as there's no evidence or suggestion he was betting beyond his means, or was out of control.

    More follows.....

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 160,082

    The sort of thing that would be a worry is illustrated by a real-life true story that happened in the last 6 months to a Sky Bet punter.

    There was some sort of minor dispute or delay in paying out on a winning bet. As is so often the case, the guy was being pretty rude to & about Sky Bet on Twitter, but he then Tweeted something like;

    "Sort it out SkyBet, I can't afford to get food for the wife & my two young kids until you settle my bet".


    Doubt for a minute that was true, the fella was likely just gilding the lily a bit due to his annoyance & frustration. But that was not a wise thing to write on a very public platform.

    All Online Gaming licence holders have to be very strict about RG, failure to be pro-active about it could cost fines running into millions. (Literally). So they have to act, & be seen to act. Even worse, if comments like that are not addressed, Sky Bet's competitors would slap a complaint into the GC without a moment's hesitation, suggesting Sky Bet are non-compliant. It's a dirty business this.

    So SkyBet offered him some RG guidamce, & almost certainly closed the guy's account. They had no choice.

    Nothing even remotely like that has ever appeared on this Forum in the 10 years it's been running, & the comments last night were abso fine from a RG perspective.

    Having said all that, tilt (in Online Gaming) is a really bad thing, & anyone who suffers from it should try to address it.

    So there it is.

  • The--DonThe--Don Member Posts: 388
    @ALAN_18 I used to be a massive tilt monkey when I was much younger and way more headstrong.

    Back when Betfair had its stand alone client, I had £3000 on it and about 28p in my bank, playing a mix of £50nl and £100nl full ring.

    I blew through £1400 in less than a week and felt sick to my stomach.

    Downswings are inevitable, even if you feel you have a huge edge in the games you play. Dealing with them is an essential skill to develop for anyone who has ambitions of sustained success in the games.

    To this day, I still protect myself from destructive downswings, mostly by keeping very little money in poker clients. I rarely have more than £300 on any one site. I keep a small reserve float in my e-wallet and not much in my current account.

    Most of my liferoll/bankroll is kept in a building society that can only be accessed by going to the building society with my book and physically withdrawing.

    Because I am essentially a lazy person, going to the building society to withdraw cash and then having to drive five miles to deposit the money into my current account makes me very protective of the money I have online and protects me from destructive tilt.

    Of course, I, like everyone else don't claim to be immune to getting rattled from time to time and playing my B or C game but it happens very infrequently and when I feel I'm playing below my best, I'm much, much better than I used to be at spotting the early warning signs and quitting sessions early.

    If you think you might be prone to blowing out again, following a similar method to mine might be something to consider. When money is easily accessible and reloading is just a couple of clicks away, it can be easy to allow a tilt rampage to go on much longer than is good for us. However, by making it much more inconvenient to reload after a blow up, it can help control that and even if it doesn't help control it, by not having offline funds easily accessible, it can give us a much needed cooling off period before we go again.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,473
    The--Don said:

    @ALAN_18 I used to be a massive tilt monkey when I was much younger and way more headstrong.

    Back when Betfair had its stand alone client, I had £3000 on it and about 28p in my bank, playing a mix of £50nl and £100nl full ring.

    I blew through £1400 in less than a week and felt sick to my stomach.

    Downswings are inevitable, even if you feel you have a huge edge in the games you play. Dealing with them is an essential skill to develop for anyone who has ambitions of sustained success in the games.

    To this day, I still protect myself from destructive downswings, mostly by keeping very little money in poker clients. I rarely have more than £300 on any one site. I keep a small reserve float in my e-wallet and not much in my current account.

    Most of my liferoll/bankroll is kept in a building society that can only be accessed by going to the building society with my book and physically withdrawing.

    Because I am essentially a lazy person, going to the building society to withdraw cash and then having to drive five miles to deposit the money into my current account makes me very protective of the money I have online and protects me from destructive tilt.

    Of course, I, like everyone else don't claim to be immune to getting rattled from time to time and playing my B or C game but it happens very infrequently and when I feel I'm playing below my best, I'm much, much better than I used to be at spotting the early warning signs and quitting sessions early.

    If you think you might be prone to blowing out again, following a similar method to mine might be something to consider. When money is easily accessible and reloading is just a couple of clicks away, it can be easy to allow a tilt rampage to go on much longer than is good for us. However, by making it much more inconvenient to reload after a blow up, it can help control that and even if it doesn't help control it, by not having offline funds easily accessible, it can give us a much needed cooling off period before we go again.

    I think this is very good advice
  • DuesenbergDuesenberg Member Posts: 1,740
    Your honesty is good to see Alan and you're getting some really good advice in here, as well as offers of further help from some seriously good players, so keeping up the 'warts and all' approach to your diary should be a good move.

    Tilt comes in many forms and hopefully the MGOP book will help you on that front - I know it did in my case. Before reading it, I never thought I had a problem with tilt. Jumping up in stakes to chase losses or playing overly loose and aggressively when down were things that never really crept into my game at all. However, what I never consciously realised was that I would have a propensity to really tighten up and play in a very risk-averse manner once I was up a few buy-ins. Although not as damaging as going into full spew-monkey mode, this was still having a significant impact on my winrate, so I'm much more mindful of my mental state in-game these days.

    Best of luck.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,222
    The--Don said:

    @ALAN_18 I used to be a massive tilt monkey when I was much younger and way more headstrong.

    Back when Betfair had its stand alone client, I had £3000 on it and about 28p in my bank, playing a mix of £50nl and £100nl full ring.

    I blew through £1400 in less than a week and felt sick to my stomach.

    Downswings are inevitable, even if you feel you have a huge edge in the games you play. Dealing with them is an essential skill to develop for anyone who has ambitions of sustained success in the games.

    To this day, I still protect myself from destructive downswings, mostly by keeping very little money in poker clients. I rarely have more than £300 on any one site. I keep a small reserve float in my e-wallet and not much in my current account.

    Most of my liferoll/bankroll is kept in a building society that can only be accessed by going to the building society with my book and physically withdrawing.

    Because I am essentially a lazy person, going to the building society to withdraw cash and then having to drive five miles to deposit the money into my current account makes me very protective of the money I have online and protects me from destructive tilt.

    Of course, I, like everyone else don't claim to be immune to getting rattled from time to time and playing my B or C game but it happens very infrequently and when I feel I'm playing below my best, I'm much, much better than I used to be at spotting the early warning signs and quitting sessions early.

    If you think you might be prone to blowing out again, following a similar method to mine might be something to consider. When money is easily accessible and reloading is just a couple of clicks away, it can be easy to allow a tilt rampage to go on much longer than is good for us. However, by making it much more inconvenient to reload after a blow up, it can help control that and even if it doesn't help control it, by not having offline funds easily accessible, it can give us a much needed cooling off period before we go again.

    Good advise, Also dont drink when you play, I'm only a rec player and dont take it too serious and I like to have a wee drink when I play, tilt and drink is the devils work, my swollen right hand is evidence of that, I don't tilt usually, but losing with kk 3 times within 20 mins pushed me over the edge......lol.
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    OK so after a not so good start to my challenge it is time to get back to work and try and take things a little bit more seriously.

    The plan is to grind 6 tables of 4NL for the next few weeks at least to try and get my bankroll back up for my second shot at 10NL. Whilst grinding 4NL I will be doing a lot of studying in the forum of reading books, watching videos, posting hands, watching 10/20/30/50NL games here on Sky, taking notes and just observing how the better regs are playing with the intention of trying to implement some of what they are doing in to my own game.

    I am still reading Jared Tindler's MGOP and he talks about warming up/preparation before you start playing. I think this is really good practise and am interested to know if any of you guys actually do this and what type of things do you do ? I am thinking along the lines of watching a 15 min poker related video, reviewing hands from your last session, or something like just watching a few of the tables you will be looking to play in and just get a general feel for how people are playing and what there weaknesses/strengths are.

    I am also going to try and change a few things in my personal life with the hope of improving my mental attitude towards poker. I already go to the gym Monday-Friday and do a hour and a half weights session but my diet is absolutely terrible. I just eat what I like the taste of and rarely put any effort into eating healthy apart from eating a lot of fruit.

    So from tomorrow I will be making a big effort to eat much more healthily as I have read that this has a big effect on brain performance. Secondly I will be adding a morning run every other day as soon as I get up and before breakfast, the days I am not running I will be walking also before breakfast. I don't know about you lot but I am a lover of my own company and I really enjoy walking as I feel it totally clears your mind.

    Lastly Jared also talks about evaluating your play as kind of cool down after you have played your session. For some one like me who usually plays roughly 2 hour sessions do you think I would be better of reviewing my play after each individual session or just waiting till the end of the day to review my whole days play ?

    Thanks for reading guys/girls and look forward to your opinions/comments. GL at the tables for every one who has been kind enough to post in this thread :smile:
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    OK so like I said at the beginning of this thread I am currently un-employed hopefully not for much longer but for the time being I am going to try and instil some routine into my days.

    My typical sleeping hours are 3pm-11am.

    I like to get most of my chores done first thing after I wake up and then the rest of the day is my own. I am thinking if I start my warm up/preparation stage around 2pm then I can still get maybe 2 x 1.5 hour playing sessions in before I start the gym around 7-7.30pm, plus 15-30 mins to evaluate my first two sessions of the day by reviewing my hand histories and posting any hands that really troubled me on this thread.

    I get back from the gym no later than 9.30pm so by time I get myself sorted I am ready to grind from 10pm onwards when the games start to get a little better. I can then put in another 2 x 1.5 hour sessions in before bed.

    Warm up/preparation: 2.00-2.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 2.30-4.00pm

    1.5 hour session: 4.30-6.00pm

    Evaluate: 6.00-6.30pm

    Gym: 7.30-9.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 10.00-11.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 12.00-1.30am

    Evaluate: 1.30-2.00am


    If I can do this 6 days a week then that gets me 36 hours play per week. This is depending on my internet connection as because of where we live you cannot get fibre optic and say for instance if some one else is in the house watching YouTube or doing something on Sky Q then I get a real bad lag at the tables if I can even get on at all.

    This is also one of the biggest causes of tilt for me bad connection. It shouldn't be as there is nothing much I can do about it it so I shouldn't let it bother me but it does.

    I have just been looking at a box that EE do that creates a 4G environment in your home which I might have to buy. I think you pay £80 upfront and then £28 per month rolling contract for 30gb of data. I rang EE yesterday as my connection is real bad. They done a line test and said the package I pay for offers a minimum speed of 1mbps and at the moment I am only getting 0.3mbps. I have an engineer from BT coming out on Tuesday anyway. I think with this new box I am considering getting I will get speeds of around 14 mbps, so for £28 it seems a no brainer as I probably lose that amount every week just through disconnections at the tables and time outs.
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    The--Don said:

    @ALAN_18 I used to be a massive tilt monkey when I was much younger and way more headstrong.

    Back when Betfair had its stand alone client, I had £3000 on it and about 28p in my bank, playing a mix of £50nl and £100nl full ring.

    I blew through £1400 in less than a week and felt sick to my stomach.

    Downswings are inevitable, even if you feel you have a huge edge in the games you play. Dealing with them is an essential skill to develop for anyone who has ambitions of sustained success in the games.

    To this day, I still protect myself from destructive downswings, mostly by keeping very little money in poker clients. I rarely have more than £300 on any one site. I keep a small reserve float in my e-wallet and not much in my current account.

    Most of my liferoll/bankroll is kept in a building society that can only be accessed by going to the building society with my book and physically withdrawing.

    Because I am essentially a lazy person, going to the building society to withdraw cash and then having to drive five miles to deposit the money into my current account makes me very protective of the money I have online and protects me from destructive tilt.

    Of course, I, like everyone else don't claim to be immune to getting rattled from time to time and playing my B or C game but it happens very infrequently and when I feel I'm playing below my best, I'm much, much better than I used to be at spotting the early warning signs and quitting sessions early.

    If you think you might be prone to blowing out again, following a similar method to mine might be something to consider. When money is easily accessible and reloading is just a couple of clicks away, it can be easy to allow a tilt rampage to go on much longer than is good for us. However, by making it much more inconvenient to reload after a blow up, it can help control that and even if it doesn't help control it, by not having offline funds easily accessible, it can give us a much needed cooling off period before we go again.

    Great post mate, thanks for taking the time to write it all out. As and when I manage to build my bankroll up to a bigger amount this is definitely something I will be doing to protect myself. Thanks again :smile:
  • ALAN_18ALAN_18 Member Posts: 225
    edited May 2019
    Just watching one of Jared's videos on YouTube and have only just realised I have been calling him Tindler through out this thread but it is actually spelt Tendler, not a big deal as I am sure he does not post here and will never read this thread but just wanted to clear this up.

    For those of you new to this thread I am on about a book that I am reading which is helping me with my mental approach to Poker. IMO it is a must read for anyone with tilt or mental game issues what ever they may be.

    JARED TENDLER - THE MENTAL GAME OF POKER
  • K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,027
    edited May 2019
    ALAN_18 said:

    OK so like I said at the beginning of this thread I am currently un-employed hopefully not for much longer but for the time being I am going to try and instil some routine into my days.

    My typical sleeping hours are 3pm-11am.

    I like to get most of my chores done first thing after I wake up and then the rest of the day is my own. I am thinking if I start my warm up/preparation stage around 2pm then I can still get maybe 2 x 1.5 hour playing sessions in before I start the gym around 7-7.30pm, plus 15-30 mins to evaluate my first two sessions of the day by reviewing my hand histories and posting any hands that really troubled me on this thread.

    I get back from the gym no later than 9.30pm so by time I get myself sorted I am ready to grind from 10pm onwards when the games start to get a little better. I can then put in another 2 x 1.5 hour sessions in before bed.

    Warm up/preparation: 2.00-2.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 2.30-4.00pm

    1.5 hour session: 4.30-6.00pm

    Evaluate: 6.00-6.30pm

    Gym: 7.30-9.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 10.00-11.30pm

    1.5 hour session: 12.00-1.30am

    Evaluate: 1.30-2.00am


    If I can do this 6 days a week then that gets me 36 hours play per week. This is depending on my internet connection as because of where we live you cannot get fibre optic and say for instance if some one else is in the house watching YouTube or doing something on Sky Q then I get a real bad lag at the tables if I can even get on at all.

    This is also one of the biggest causes of tilt for me bad connection. It shouldn't be as there is nothing much I can do about it it so I shouldn't let it bother me but it does.

    I have just been looking at a box that EE do that creates a 4G environment in your home which I might have to buy. I think you pay £80 upfront and then £28 per month rolling contract for 30gb of data. I rang EE yesterday as my connection is real bad. They done a line test and said the package I pay for offers a minimum speed of 1mbps and at the moment I am only getting 0.3mbps. I have an engineer from BT coming out on Tuesday anyway. I think with this new box I am considering getting I will get speeds of around 14 mbps, so for £28 it seems a no brainer as I probably lose that amount every week just through disconnections at the tables and time outs.

    You sleep from 3pm till 11am?

    Think i read wrong :D Those are the hours that you typically sleep?

    Goodluck. Im sure you can turn it around.
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