@HAYSIE , you either want things opened up or closed. Don’t sit on the fence.
I dont recall commenting on opening things up, or closing them.
I rarely sit on any fences.
Better check your earlier posts.
I dont need to.
You’re constantly referring to measures being taken, and sharing media tosh that is on the same subject. Every single time I engage with you, it just reminds me of why I can seldom be a rsed. Stay confused. Suites you sir.<img src="https://us.v-
Wrong thread. Brexit would have been the desired choice.
You posted this.
I quite clearly did, but what’s your point?
My first point is that you admitted that you posted it on the wrong thread. My second point is that the majority of the post is about China My third point is that China is neither relevant to this thread, or the Brexit one. My fourth point is that the UK trades with China.
What lawbreaking were you referring to?
The Internal Market Bill. Our country should be trustworthy, and a PM should not be going back on his word.
My answer to lawbreaking was referring to the Irish issue.
Which Irish issue?
You stated lawbreaking, and wanted feedback. Indicate as to what lawbreaking you were referring to.
There seems to be a lot of northerners that are confused. Probably the ones that went to vote in the election and got confused as to where to put their cross. Then went down the pub for relief after being put in such a stressful position. That’s got legs.
There seems to be a lot of northerners that are confused. Probably the ones that went to vote in the election and got confused as to where to put their cross. Then went down the pub for relief after being put in such a stressful position. That’s got legs.
Here are a couple of confusing things that you may be able to clear up.
When we had a full lockdown, the number of infections reduced, the messaging was pretty clear, and should be regarded as successful.
Yet the local lockdowns are a disaster, with infections increasing enormously in all but one of the areas. Why?
Many areas in the UK that have not had a local lockdown imposed, currently have a higher rate of infection, than the 20 areas had at the time the local lockdowns were put in place. Why?
In fact Nottingham which tops the infection league table with 760 per 100,000, is under no extra restrictions. Why?
The number of NHS beds occupied by covid patients, is on a par with the number occupied in March. Yet no national lockdown. Why?
They have known for months that school kids, and students were returning. Testing them beforehand might have saved lives. Why not?
Why continue with a curfew that is clearly creating infections, when the hospitality industry seemed to be responsible for so few new infections?
Why has the world beating app issued only one alert during the last 2 weeks?
The Daily Mirror says Liverpool is braced for a local lockdown with pubs, bookmakers, casinos and gyms ordered to close. But there's confusion over how the city's restaurants will be affected. The paper's Kevin Maguire speaks of an "uprising" in the North and "revolts" in the Midlands and Wales.
According to the Guardian however, there are reports that they will be ordered to close except for takeaways, despite government assurances that they could remain open until 22:00.
"Johnson calls last orders for the north", is the Daily Telegraph's headline. The paper says the new measures will have a "sunset" clause under which they will be reviewed monthly, but could last for six months.
Leo McKinstry writes in the Daily Express that there's a "crucial difference" between the first wave in the spring and today: "the mood of national consensus has broken down" and "optimism is now corroded by exhaustion". The country is "increasingly scarred by divisions between regions and classes", he says.
In the view of the Financial Times, the "biggest change since the first lockdown is the erosion of trust - between national and local administrations, and between government and the people". "If the country is again to bring the virus to heel as the days become darker and colder, that trust, most of all, needs to be restored," it says.
Several papers are sceptical about the benefits of closing down pubs and restaurants. "Where's the concrete proof that it will work?" the Sun asks.
In the Mail's view, lockdowns have so far failed to control infections. "What will actually change?" it asks. The paper favours a strategy of shielding the vulnerable while the rest of the country can keep "ticking along". So does the Telegraph. It demands to know whether Mr Johnson is "just going to continue tightening the screw" if the current strategy fails to suppress the virus - "or does he have a Plan B"?
According to the Independent website, police in parts of Britain are handing out coronavirus fines 80 times more frequently than others, with people in some of the worst-hit areas receiving the fewest penalties. It has carried out an analysis of official figures which it says shows "significant differences between police forces", with some having issued more than 1,000 fines and others less than 100.
Coronavirus: Postcode lottery for fines as some police forces 80 times more likely to hand out penalties
Police in parts of Britain are handing out coronavirus fines 80 times more frequently than others, with people in some of the worst-hit areas receiving the fewest penalties.
Experts warn of 'mass violation of rights' as contact-tracing data collected in pubs sold on
Experts have warned of a “mass violation of rights” after customer data collected by pubs and restaurants has reportedly been sold on to third parties.
Contact-tracing data required by the NHS Test and Trace scheme has been harvested by tech companies on behalf of hospitality venues since they reopened in June, according to The Times.
Although the government states that the information can only be kept for 21 days and must not be used “for any purposes other than for NHS Test and Trace”, some firms are reportedly selling it on.
A number of the data collection firms have reportedly created privacy policies which allow them to store users’ data for up to 25 years and share it with third parties.
PM unveils 'traffic light' lockdown TODAY: Liverpool faces 'Tier Three' curbs with pubs SHUT, ban on households mixing and locals ordered not to leave - as Manchester fights to stay open and ministers warn rules could still be in force at CHRISTMAS
Boris Johnson is defying the wrath of local leaders and Tory MPs to plough ahead with the new system as he desperately struggles to get a grip on surging cases. Mr Johnson is holding a Cobra emergency meeting this morning to finalise the plan, after a weekend of frantic talks with politicians and scientists. He will then confirm the crackdown in a statement to the Commons, before facing questions at a No10 press conference tonight. It is understood that from Liverpool will feature in 'Tier Three' subject to the most draconian restrictions, including shutting pubs and banning households from mixing indoors from 5pm on Wednesday. Locals will only be allowed out of their areas for essential travel such as for work, education or health, but they must return before the end of the day. Where businesses are forced to shut, the Government will pay two thirds of each employee's salary, up to a maximum of £2,100 a month. However, the details are still being thrashed out, with confusion over whether gastropubs will be spared from total closure along with restaurants, and areas such as Manchester are still fighting to be kept out of the toughest category. The measures will initially be in place for four weeks before a review, but Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden suggested this morning that they are likely to stay in place until Christmas. One angry Tory MP for a northern seat told MailOnline: 'I won't be going round his house on December 25.'
NHS axes 2,000 test and trace jobs: Contact tracers are cut despite coronavirus infections soaring
The army of NHS Test and Trace call centre contact tracers has been quietly cut from 12,000 to 10,000 within the last few weeks, Whitehall sources have confirmed, as critics lament the system.
@HAYSIE Just out of interest how do you think the pandemic and looming financial crisis should be handled or are you just happy to throw insults and tomatoes from behind your front door?
The following may have escaped your notice.
Every living Tory Pm has openly criticised this Government.
Boris is facing a back bench rebellion.
The percentage of those thinking he has handled the pandemic well has halved since March.
Just about all the press, including the Tory supporting press is highly critical of them.
Boris cant get his own staff, or even his own family to follow the rules.
The world beating track and trace is an absolute joke.
Boris is determined to break the law.
I could go on and on.
You do go on and on Zzzzzz.
Outside the cabinet, the poor souls are feeling left out. Too many cooks. Each individual is responsible for their own actions regarding the rules. World beating track and trace system? Nice idea, but there never will be one, as all countries won’t be aware of all the cases in their countries. Sorry, no magic bullet, never will be. I thought you liked pitch? In fact,it puts it back to the EU that we have a hand, regarding breaking the law. Sue if they like, who gives a f..k. The EU talk about state aid and standards etc, when they deal with countries with appalling human rights, and state aid beyond belief, especially in China. China keeps Germany and France afloat. Because we’re just across the channel I hear? A mere dinghy jaunt away. Fishing might only be a small amount of trade between us, but it’s far more than figures. Macron has an election next year, he has enough trouble on his own patch. Fishing towns around the EU will be up in arms, that’s all Macron wants. Disrupting ports,the tunnel, etc. All that will surely help the EU countries out of recession. Not. I bet Ireland are shaking in their boots. Walk away from any deal, suites me sir. While most of the world is in recession, take the pain now. That applies to the U.K. and the EU. Things could grind to a halt in the EU and the U.K. if the financial sector can’t be sorted. Think also of the green future. Meat is more expensive to produce than fish. Meat is more environmentally unfriendly than fish.Fish is also more healthy than meat. Btw, I like fish. Build up the fleets and eat most of it here. Most of ours goes to China and back anyway. No **** fish, no jabs,no feed, no moving about from field to field. Btw, China have one of the smallest areas per capita for their agriculture. Just the 1.6 billion or so mouths to feed. Their boats fish illegally all over the place, after they’ve totally over fished their own waters. They also have some of the most polluted water in the world, after their 20years of manufactured, subsidised GDP. Time to wind your necks in China. This China stuff will become relevant in the future, to the U.K. and EU. I’d expect a concession of sorts on fishing at some stage. But in the mean time, the U.K. does have a good hand 💪.
Enough for now, I’m off to my local Chinese for the rest of the evening.
Start a Chinese thread.
The reason I said that is because your post is mostly about China.
You said yourself that it doesnt belong on this thread.
I assumed you were referring to the Irish issue regarding lawbreaking, which is to do with Brexit. Or are you referring to lighting a camp fire in a field?
You seem to like China.
China will test entire city of 9.4 million people for coronavirus in five days after outbreak of just 12 cases
China has vowed to test the city of Qingdao, population 9.4million, for coronavirus in just five days after 12 cases were detected, all linked to a hospital treating infected people from overseas.
@HAYSIE Just out of interest how do you think the pandemic and looming financial crisis should be handled or are you just happy to throw insults and tomatoes from behind your front door?
The following may have escaped your notice.
Every living Tory Pm has openly criticised this Government.
Boris is facing a back bench rebellion.
The percentage of those thinking he has handled the pandemic well has halved since March.
Just about all the press, including the Tory supporting press is highly critical of them.
Boris cant get his own staff, or even his own family to follow the rules.
The world beating track and trace is an absolute joke.
Boris is determined to break the law.
I could go on and on.
You do go on and on Zzzzzz.
Outside the cabinet, the poor souls are feeling left out. Too many cooks. Each individual is responsible for their own actions regarding the rules. World beating track and trace system? Nice idea, but there never will be one, as all countries won’t be aware of all the cases in their countries. Sorry, no magic bullet, never will be. I thought you liked pitch? In fact,it puts it back to the EU that we have a hand, regarding breaking the law. Sue if they like, who gives a f..k. The EU talk about state aid and standards etc, when they deal with countries with appalling human rights, and state aid beyond belief, especially in China. China keeps Germany and France afloat. Because we’re just across the channel I hear? A mere dinghy jaunt away. Fishing might only be a small amount of trade between us, but it’s far more than figures. Macron has an election next year, he has enough trouble on his own patch. Fishing towns around the EU will be up in arms, that’s all Macron wants. Disrupting ports,the tunnel, etc. All that will surely help the EU countries out of recession. Not. I bet Ireland are shaking in their boots. Walk away from any deal, suites me sir. While most of the world is in recession, take the pain now. That applies to the U.K. and the EU. Things could grind to a halt in the EU and the U.K. if the financial sector can’t be sorted. Think also of the green future. Meat is more expensive to produce than fish. Meat is more environmentally unfriendly than fish.Fish is also more healthy than meat. Btw, I like fish. Build up the fleets and eat most of it here. Most of ours goes to China and back anyway. No **** fish, no jabs,no feed, no moving about from field to field. Btw, China have one of the smallest areas per capita for their agriculture. Just the 1.6 billion or so mouths to feed. Their boats fish illegally all over the place, after they’ve totally over fished their own waters. They also have some of the most polluted water in the world, after their 20years of manufactured, subsidised GDP. Time to wind your necks in China. This China stuff will become relevant in the future, to the U.K. and EU. I’d expect a concession of sorts on fishing at some stage. But in the mean time, the U.K. does have a good hand 💪.
Enough for now, I’m off to my local Chinese for the rest of the evening.
Start a Chinese thread.
The reason I said that is because your post is mostly about China.
You said yourself that it doesnt belong on this thread.
I assumed you were referring to the Irish issue regarding lawbreaking, which is to do with Brexit. Or are you referring to lighting a camp fire in a field?
You seem to like China.
China will test entire city of 9.4 million people for coronavirus in five days after outbreak of just 12 cases
China has vowed to test the city of Qingdao, population 9.4million, for coronavirus in just five days after 12 cases were detected, all linked to a hospital treating infected people from overseas.
China, and its position on the world stage , is one of the really big issues in the world. Far more interesting than anything happening in Wales. China being a “ westernised “ communist country. They can rule with an iron fist when needed. They could probably test the whole of the country if they so wished. Over here in the U.K, there’s a big fuss if you get pulled over in a car by the police, etc. Remember Tiananmen Square? In the last 20 years or so,millions of Chinese citizens have been brought up into the middle classes,those have never experienced a recession. Foreclosures are skyrocketing, world demand must be falling off. Never believe their figures. I‘ll save my China stuff for another day, although, if you fail to see what’s going on in the world regarding China,their might, their weakness, countries doing trade with them,countries looking to cut trade with them,your beloved Euro Zone are now the piggy in the middle. The USA distancing themselves from Europe,dont blame them.
Take a guess at how many cases of COVID-19 in the U.K. I’ve upped my guess to a couple of million cases.Whats yours? The cases reported daily are new, if they are to be believed. That’s why thousands here and there don’t mean an awful lot. Apart from pressure on the hospitals in any particular area.
So, you haven’t given your position on opening up or locking down. You like to mock any opening up, and like to mock any lockdowns. You do realise that track and trace will always be a “ token gesture” if a country is full of the virus? That would only ever work for a country with few cases. If I was the Guv, I’d say every man, women and kid for themselves. Everybody knows the score by now. Open everything up, wear masks where required, and kick on.
I’ve put up a Wailing Wall for you, but you’re not using it.
Just a quick look back at some of your “ questions”, in no particular order.
Our country should be seen as trustworthy? Ha f.....g Ha. Do you know anything about politics outside Wales?
All living Tory PM’s and backbenchers have the hump with this Government. Have they all had experience with pandemics and Brexit before? You admire former Tory PM’s? Boris was chosen as the best person to win an election, job done. He won’t get ousted until after Brexit. Then only after seeing how the U.K. gets on, which might mean he never gets ousted.
The press, even the Tory press are against the government? So what, means diddly, they don’t need the press behind them. Party’s use the press for their own means, always been the way. Press you the Party’s in a similar fashion.
Do you think Boris is responsible for what his old man gets up to? Nooooo. Everybody is responsible for their own actions, above a certain age. And those with needs.
Why would kids and students need compulsory testing? When stats say they are the least vulnerable by a light year.
You need to rewind about the opening up after the initial “ lockdown “. Too much too soon and all that. If things need closing down again, so be it. We were told. The youth were put first, kids and students needed to kick on. Most agree with that. Alcohol and the virus are not a good mix. Folks have been lucky to even visit a pub.
Local lockdowns haven’t been the length of the original lockdown. There can be a delay of six weeks+ with cases surfacing.
What were you doing in the Commons Bar? Have you got a pass? What was sick about the “ joke”? Taking into account all the sad s hite you share.
You quite clearly don’t understand what living with the virus actually means, therefore I can’t help you. You’re also having trouble understanding that certain tasks are allocated to others.
Handling the pandemic “ well” means what? Is there a trophy on offer? what do you think a good result may be.
In March, only a few hospitals were struggling with numbers. If you were a doctor or nurse, who needs infectious patients in their hospitals? Under normal circumstances there’s very few hospitals with highly infectious patients. It’s down to the citizens to make the life of doctors and nurses easier. If you want to blame the government for every case, then that’s your right, but your be sooo wrong. Which would be par for the course with you.
There won’t be any opposition to the government until Keir Starmer rummages about in his drawer and finds a cloth cap. They should have gone for one of the ladies. Bit sexist, but it would be far more humiliating for Boris to get shouted down by a female, than have someone that looks like he’s been caught in car headlights as the opposition leader.
Polls mean diddly if there’s nothing coming up to vote on.
@HAYSIE , you either want things opened up or closed. Don’t sit on the fence.
I dont recall commenting on opening things up, or closing them.
I rarely sit on any fences.
Better check your earlier posts.
I dont need to.
You’re constantly referring to measures being taken, and sharing media tosh that is on the same subject. Every single time I engage with you, it just reminds me of why I can seldom be a rsed. Stay confused. Suites you sir.
The Financial Times says the prime minister is facing a "Tory backlash" over his shift to tougher restrictions. But he gets support inside the Telegraph from a former party leader, Lord Hague. "While the government's had its fair share of Covid blunders", he writes, we must not allow ourselves to be persuaded they are "a bunch of dunderheads who have got everything wrong and don't give a **** for people outside London".
SAGE release minutes showing they wanted harsh national circuit-breaker lockdown THREE WEEKS ago to avoid potential Covid 'catastrophe': Scientists say 'Three Tier' system won't be enough minutes after Boris announced it
Boris Johnson overruled Sage experts three weeks ago when they pressed for an even tougher 'circuit-breaker' before announcing his three-tiered system on Monday. On September 21, the scientific advisory group presented a shortlist of options which included banning all indoor contact between households, closing bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, and hairdressers. At the top of the list was the recommendation for a two or three week lockdown with draconian measures similar to those imposed earlier in the pandemic. 'If this were as strict and well-adhered to as the restrictions in late May, this could put the epidemic back by approximately 28 days or more,' the dossier said. Last night, Sage scientist Professor Calum Semple claimed the new restrictions had come too late and a 'circuit-breaker' could be needed within weeks. Asked if the level of response announced for London is sufficient, the University of Liverpool academic told Radio 4: 'I'm going to be difficult and say no, I think we're a little late to react.'
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When we had a full lockdown, the number of infections reduced, the messaging was pretty clear, and should be regarded as successful.
Yet the local lockdowns are a disaster, with infections increasing enormously in all but one of the areas.
Why?
Many areas in the UK that have not had a local lockdown imposed, currently have a higher rate of infection, than the 20 areas had at the time the local lockdowns were put in place.
Why?
In fact Nottingham which tops the infection league table with 760 per 100,000, is under no extra restrictions.
Why?
The number of NHS beds occupied by covid patients, is on a par with the number occupied in March. Yet no national lockdown.
Why?
They have known for months that school kids, and students were returning. Testing them beforehand might have saved lives.
Why not?
Why continue with a curfew that is clearly creating infections, when the hospitality industry seemed to be responsible for so few new infections?
Why has the world beating app issued only one alert during the last 2 weeks?
What happened to the Covid Marshalls?
Is there any real point in fining a student £10k?
The Daily Mirror says Liverpool is braced for a local lockdown with pubs, bookmakers, casinos and gyms ordered to close. But there's confusion over how the city's restaurants will be affected. The paper's Kevin Maguire speaks of an "uprising" in the North and "revolts" in the Midlands and Wales.
According to the Guardian however, there are reports that they will be ordered to close except for takeaways, despite government assurances that they could remain open until 22:00.
"Johnson calls last orders for the north", is the Daily Telegraph's headline. The paper says the new measures will have a "sunset" clause under which they will be reviewed monthly, but could last for six months.
Leo McKinstry writes in the Daily Express that there's a "crucial difference" between the first wave in the spring and today: "the mood of national consensus has broken down" and "optimism is now corroded by exhaustion". The country is "increasingly scarred by divisions between regions and classes", he says.
In the view of the Financial Times, the "biggest change since the first lockdown is the erosion of trust - between national and local administrations, and between government and the people". "If the country is again to bring the virus to heel as the days become darker and colder, that trust, most of all, needs to be restored," it says.
Several papers are sceptical about the benefits of closing down pubs and restaurants. "Where's the concrete proof that it will work?" the Sun asks.
In the Mail's view, lockdowns have so far failed to control infections. "What will actually change?" it asks. The paper favours a strategy of shielding the vulnerable while the rest of the country can keep "ticking along". So does the Telegraph. It demands to know whether Mr Johnson is "just going to continue tightening the screw" if the current strategy fails to suppress the virus - "or does he have a Plan B"?
According to the Independent website, police in parts of Britain are handing out coronavirus fines 80 times more frequently than others, with people in some of the worst-hit areas receiving the fewest penalties. It has carried out an analysis of official figures which it says shows "significant differences between police forces", with some having issued more than 1,000 fines and others less than 100.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54503867
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/public-deserve-answers-about-secret-spy-led-coronavirus-committee/ar-BB19VrzS?ocid=msedgntp
Police in parts of Britain are handing out coronavirus fines 80 times more frequently than others, with people in some of the worst-hit areas receiving the fewest penalties.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-postcode-lottery-for-fines-as-some-police-forces-80-times-more-likely-to-hand-out-penalties/ar-BB19VjXj?ocid=msedgntp
Experts have warned of a “mass violation of rights” after customer data collected by pubs and restaurants has reportedly been sold on to third parties.
Contact-tracing data required by the NHS Test and Trace scheme has been harvested by tech companies on behalf of hospitality venues since they reopened in June, according to The Times.
Although the government states that the information can only be kept for 21 days and must not be used “for any purposes other than for NHS Test and Trace”, some firms are reportedly selling it on.
A number of the data collection firms have reportedly created privacy policies which allow them to store users’ data for up to 25 years and share it with third parties.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/contact-tracing-data-sold-on-coronavirus-141855189.html
Boris Johnson is defying the wrath of local leaders and Tory MPs to plough ahead with the new system as he desperately struggles to get a grip on surging cases. Mr Johnson is holding a Cobra emergency meeting this morning to finalise the plan, after a weekend of frantic talks with politicians and scientists. He will then confirm the crackdown in a statement to the Commons, before facing questions at a No10 press conference tonight. It is understood that from Liverpool will feature in 'Tier Three' subject to the most draconian restrictions, including shutting pubs and banning households from mixing indoors from 5pm on Wednesday. Locals will only be allowed out of their areas for essential travel such as for work, education or health, but they must return before the end of the day. Where businesses are forced to shut, the Government will pay two thirds of each employee's salary, up to a maximum of £2,100 a month. However, the details are still being thrashed out, with confusion over whether gastropubs will be spared from total closure along with restaurants, and areas such as Manchester are still fighting to be kept out of the toughest category. The measures will initially be in place for four weeks before a review, but Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden suggested this morning that they are likely to stay in place until Christmas. One angry Tory MP for a northern seat told MailOnline: 'I won't be going round his house on December 25.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
The army of NHS Test and Trace call centre contact tracers has been quietly cut from 12,000 to 10,000 within the last few weeks, Whitehall sources have confirmed, as critics lament the system.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
China will test entire city of 9.4 million people for coronavirus in five days after outbreak of just 12 cases
China has vowed to test the city of Qingdao, population 9.4million, for coronavirus in just five days after 12 cases were detected, all linked to a hospital treating infected people from overseas.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Far more interesting than anything happening in Wales.
China being a “ westernised “ communist country.
They can rule with an iron fist when needed.
They could probably test the whole of the country if they so wished.
Over here in the U.K, there’s a big fuss if you get pulled over in a car by the police, etc.
Remember Tiananmen Square?
In the last 20 years or so,millions of Chinese citizens have been brought up into the middle classes,those have never experienced a recession.
Foreclosures are skyrocketing, world demand must be falling off. Never believe their figures.
I‘ll save my China stuff for another day, although, if you fail to see what’s going on in the world regarding China,their might, their weakness, countries doing trade with them,countries looking to cut trade with them,your beloved Euro Zone are now the piggy in the middle.
The USA distancing themselves from Europe,dont blame them.
Take a guess at how many cases of COVID-19 in the U.K. I’ve upped my guess to a couple of million cases.Whats yours? The cases reported daily are new, if they are to be believed.
That’s why thousands here and there don’t mean an awful lot. Apart from pressure on the hospitals in any particular area.
So, you haven’t given your position on opening up or locking down.
You like to mock any opening up, and like to mock any lockdowns.
You do realise that track and trace will always be a “ token gesture” if a country is full of the virus?
That would only ever work for a country with few cases.
If I was the Guv, I’d say every man, women and kid for themselves.
Everybody knows the score by now.
Open everything up, wear masks where required, and kick on.
I’ve put up a Wailing Wall for you, but you’re not using it.
Our country should be seen as trustworthy?
Ha f.....g Ha. Do you know anything about politics outside Wales?
All living Tory PM’s and backbenchers have the hump with this Government.
Have they all had experience with pandemics and Brexit before?
You admire former Tory PM’s?
Boris was chosen as the best person to win an election, job done.
He won’t get ousted until after Brexit. Then only after seeing how the U.K. gets on, which might mean he never gets ousted.
The press, even the Tory press are against the government? So what, means diddly, they don’t need the press behind them. Party’s use the press for their own means, always been the way.
Press you the Party’s in a similar fashion.
Do you think Boris is responsible for what his old man gets up to? Nooooo.
Everybody is responsible for their own actions, above a certain age. And those with needs.
Why would kids and students need compulsory testing? When stats say they are the least vulnerable by a light year.
You need to rewind about the opening up after the initial “ lockdown “.
Too much too soon and all that. If things need closing down again, so be it. We were told.
The youth were put first, kids and students needed to kick on. Most agree with that.
Alcohol and the virus are not a good mix. Folks have been lucky to even visit a pub.
Local lockdowns haven’t been the length of the original lockdown. There can be a delay of six weeks+ with cases surfacing.
What were you doing in the Commons Bar? Have you got a pass?
What was sick about the “ joke”? Taking into account all the sad s hite you share.
You quite clearly don’t understand what living with the virus actually means, therefore I can’t help you. You’re also having trouble understanding that certain tasks are allocated to others.
Handling the pandemic “ well” means what? Is there a trophy on offer?
what do you think a good result may be.
In March, only a few hospitals were struggling with numbers.
If you were a doctor or nurse, who needs infectious patients in their hospitals?
Under normal circumstances there’s very few hospitals with highly infectious patients.
It’s down to the citizens to make the life of doctors and nurses easier.
If you want to blame the government for every case, then that’s your right, but your be sooo wrong. Which would be par for the course with you.
There won’t be any opposition to the government until Keir Starmer rummages about in his drawer and finds a cloth cap.
They should have gone for one of the ladies.
Bit sexist, but it would be far more humiliating for Boris to get shouted down by a female, than have someone that looks like he’s been caught in car headlights as the opposition leader.
Polls mean diddly if there’s nothing coming up to vote on.
Good morning.
Chill xx.
Think, before you drink, before you post.
The Financial Times says the prime minister is facing a "Tory backlash" over his shift to tougher restrictions. But he gets support inside the Telegraph from a former party leader, Lord Hague. "While the government's had its fair share of Covid blunders", he writes, we must not allow ourselves to be persuaded they are "a bunch of dunderheads who have got everything wrong and don't give a **** for people outside London".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54518025
Boris Johnson overruled Sage experts three weeks ago when they pressed for an even tougher 'circuit-breaker' before announcing his three-tiered system on Monday. On September 21, the scientific advisory group presented a shortlist of options which included banning all indoor contact between households, closing bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, and hairdressers. At the top of the list was the recommendation for a two or three week lockdown with draconian measures similar to those imposed earlier in the pandemic. 'If this were as strict and well-adhered to as the restrictions in late May, this could put the epidemic back by approximately 28 days or more,' the dossier said. Last night, Sage scientist Professor Calum Semple claimed the new restrictions had come too late and a 'circuit-breaker' could be needed within weeks. Asked if the level of response announced for London is sufficient, the University of Liverpool academic told Radio 4: 'I'm going to be difficult and say no, I think we're a little late to react.'
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