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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
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    Essexphil said:

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    Ireland could be united within a decade, say voters in survey that reveals the majority think the North will quit the Union in a future poll



    Fears Northern Ireland will vote to quit the United Kingdom are laid bare in a poll published today. If a vote were held in Northern Ireland tomorrow, most people would vote not to join the Republic.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10300475/Ireland-unite-decade-say-voters-Survey-reveals-majority-think-North-quit-Union.html

    Stop reading Daily Mail headlines. They very often state precisely the opposite of the actual article.

    Poll said 54-46 in favour of remaining in the Union. Previous poll by same Company had found a small majority in favour of leaving.

    There is a reason why people think Northern Ireland may leave in the future. And it has nothing to do with Brexit.

    The percentage of Catholics in Northern Ireland is steadily increasing.
    Senior Tory MP warns Brexit ‘destroying’ British agriculture and condemns government failure to act



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/senior-tory-mp-warns-brexit-destroying-british-agriculture-and-condemns-government-failure-to-act/ar-AARNwhK?ocid=msedgntp
    With the greatest of respect, this has nothing to do with Brexit.

    And everything to do with the UK Government's failure adequately to plan the way forward post-Brexit.

    This Government believes that Brexit has been "done". Whereas the reality is the UK has to stand on its own 2 feet and actually plan the best way forward. Brexit is not the end-it is merely a new beginning. Will in all probability be a mixture of good & bad-but the less we plan, the more bad there will be.
    Lincoln Langleys Solicitors: Agricultural worker shortage is a headache for all


    Once again, Santa is struggling! Christmas is not far away and present wrapping is just not going quickly enough. Some of the elves are self-isolating and other areas of the North Pole workshops are short of seasonal elf-workers.

    It’s something of a common theme which has caused a great deal of anguish in the agricultural world since the flow of workers from overseas decreased following Brexit.

    https://www.newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/agricultural-worker-shortage-is-a-headache-for-all-9230107/



    UK worker shortage: Farmers give fruit and veg away for free


    Mr Morritt said in previous years the majority of his pickers came from eastern Europe.



    Simon Naylor, who runs Naylor Farms in Spalding, Lincolnshire, fears not all of his cabbage crop will be harvested this year.

    He said it was difficult attracting UK pickers to rural areas and had even offered to double the wages.

    "It's a prime vegetable area, but getting people here, that's another thing," he said.


    In October, the NFU said only 11% of seasonal workers in the 2020 season were UK residents.



    Robert Newbery from NFU East Midlands said: "Brexit is certainly having an impact. The people that could move freely within Europe before now can't.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-58410363
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Ireland could be united within a decade, say voters in survey that reveals the majority think the North will quit the Union in a future poll



    Fears Northern Ireland will vote to quit the United Kingdom are laid bare in a poll published today. If a vote were held in Northern Ireland tomorrow, most people would vote not to join the Republic.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10300475/Ireland-unite-decade-say-voters-Survey-reveals-majority-think-North-quit-Union.html

    Stop reading Daily Mail headlines. They very often state precisely the opposite of the actual article.

    Poll said 54-46 in favour of remaining in the Union. Previous poll by same Company had found a small majority in favour of leaving.

    There is a reason why people think Northern Ireland may leave in the future. And it has nothing to do with Brexit.

    The percentage of Catholics in Northern Ireland is steadily increasing.
    Senior Tory MP warns Brexit ‘destroying’ British agriculture and condemns government failure to act




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/senior-tory-mp-warns-brexit-destroying-british-agriculture-and-condemns-government-failure-to-act/ar-AARNwhK?ocid=msedgntp
    With the greatest of respect, this has nothing to do with Brexit.

    And everything to do with the UK Government's failure adequately to plan the way forward post-Brexit.

    This Government believes that Brexit has been "done". Whereas the reality is the UK has to stand on its own 2 feet and actually plan the best way forward. Brexit is not the end-it is merely a new beginning. Will in all probability be a mixture of good & bad-but the less we plan, the more bad there will be.
    This was written in 2017.

    How will ending free movement impact UK employers?
    Blog posts

    4 Oct 2017



    This will be challenging, if not impossible, for some sectors such as agriculture and social care which struggle to attract British workers.

    Brexit has presented the government with a trade-off between meeting public demands to reduce immigration and the economic costs of doing so. Employers in key sectors such as the NHS are already struggling to recruit EU nationals, and the uncertainty around Brexit is already having the effect of dissuading EU nationals from either remaining in the UK, or immigrating in the first instance. Indeed, the most recent figures from the ONS show that net migration has fallen.

    https://www.employment-studies.co.uk/news/how-will-ending-free-movement-impact-uk-employers
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    Italian shop in London claps back at Brexiteers following panettone stock issues



    The Seeds of Italy Store in Harrow, North London famed for selling authentic Italian goods, candidly shared: “Due to Brexit, all our suppliers have run out of both cream and traditional panettone, this along with other goods.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrink/other/italian-shop-in-london-claps-back-at-brexiteers-following-panettone-stock-issues/ar-AARSlAv?ocid=msedgntp
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    Brexit fury: EU's David Sassoli warned UK of 'serious consequences'





    Mr Sassoli said if the UK reneges on the agreement that it signed up to last year, "then trust and credibility will be lost".

    He added: "Any attempts by the UK to undermine the agreement would have serious consequences.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-fury-eu-s-david-sassoli-warned-uk-of-serious-consequences/ar-AARQMfw?ocid=msedgntp
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    Not taking back control! Lord Frost blasted as he offers ‘flexibility' to EU demands



    Lord Frost has been accused of "softening his tone" over the Protocol, in a possible sign that the UK could bend before Brussels.

    Yesterday, on Thursday, the Brexit Minister sparked controversy not in his comments to the EU but in those to fellow Lords.

    He told the House that Britain's willingness to show "pragmatism" to Irish goods coming to Britain will depend on how far the EU allows the UK to trade within its own borders.

    He said: "The degree of pragmatism that we show in future to Irish goods coming to Great Britain will be related to the degree of pragmatism and flexibility that the EU shows in allowing goods to move freely around all parts of the UK."

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/not-taking-back-control-lord-frost-blasted-as-he-offers-flexibility-to-eu-demands/ar-AARUiRH?ocid=msedgntp
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    Essexphil said:

    In shock news, 1 side says it's all the other side's fault when 2 sides agree to a bad deal.

    In less shocking news, some people are too busy shouting from their Remain/Leave trenches to accept this.

    The EU need to realise that the UK are between a rock and a hard place. All fine and well finger-pointing-rather nastier things than fingers are becoming increasingly likely to be pointed soon.

    As things stand, unless the EU/UK come to a pragmatic deal in relation to NI, the future is looking bleak.

    There needs to be a compromise whereby:-

    1. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to NI;
    2. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to Ireland;
    3. Some goods should not need to be checked unless leaving the island of Ireland
    4. Ireland needs financial assistance from both the EU and the UK in relation to 2/3

    If that does not happen, the UK looks like it has 2 bad choices-

    (1) Pull NI out of the Single Market; or
    (2) Hope and Pray that the more moderate parties in NI hold sway going forward

    Major Brexit change: British drivers face having to apply for new licences under plans



    Drivers will be required to get new international operating licences if they want to travel back and forth to the EU from May next year, the Government has announced. The additional red tape will come into force next year alongside a series of further checks at Dover and other ports that were delayed three times in 2021.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/major-brexit-change-british-drivers-face-having-to-apply-for-new-licences-under-plans/ar-AARVik2?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    In shock news, 1 side says it's all the other side's fault when 2 sides agree to a bad deal.

    In less shocking news, some people are too busy shouting from their Remain/Leave trenches to accept this.

    The EU need to realise that the UK are between a rock and a hard place. All fine and well finger-pointing-rather nastier things than fingers are becoming increasingly likely to be pointed soon.

    As things stand, unless the EU/UK come to a pragmatic deal in relation to NI, the future is looking bleak.

    There needs to be a compromise whereby:-

    1. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to NI;
    2. Some goods need to be agreed to be checked before going to Ireland;
    3. Some goods should not need to be checked unless leaving the island of Ireland
    4. Ireland needs financial assistance from both the EU and the UK in relation to 2/3

    If that does not happen, the UK looks like it has 2 bad choices-

    (1) Pull NI out of the Single Market; or
    (2) Hope and Pray that the more moderate parties in NI hold sway going forward

    Brexit LIVE: Don't blow it now! Sunak confronts Frost in rare attack after UK caves to EU


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-live-don-t-blow-it-now-sunak-confronts-frost-in-rare-attack-after-uk-caves-to-eu/ar-AARW4jD?ocid=msedgntp
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,030
    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Brexit minister’s shock resignation leaves Boris Johnson reeling


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-minister-s-shock-resignation-leaves-boris-johnson-reeling/ar-AARX6Lx?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Furious response from DUP over Northern Ireland protocol


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/furious-response-from-dup-over-northern-ireland-protocol/ar-AARWp1p?ocid=msedgntp
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,030
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Furious response from DUP over Northern Ireland protocol


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/furious-response-from-dup-over-northern-ireland-protocol/ar-AARWp1p?ocid=msedgntp
    English politicians can be pretty poor.

    But Northern Irish/Irish politicians (on both sides of the political divide) take some beating.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Furious response from DUP over Northern Ireland protocol


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/furious-response-from-dup-over-northern-ireland-protocol/ar-AARWp1p?ocid=msedgntp
    English politicians can be pretty poor.

    But Northern Irish/Irish politicians (on both sides of the political divide) take some beating.
    They do.
    The DUP were against the backstop, which was a solution that had no Irish Sea border.
    They were in favour of the protocol that did.
    Although they have done nothing but moan about the border since it appeared.
    I suppose their only excuse was that they believed Boris, but they should have known better.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Furious response from DUP over Northern Ireland protocol


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/furious-response-from-dup-over-northern-ireland-protocol/ar-AARWp1p?ocid=msedgntp
    English politicians can be pretty poor.

    But Northern Irish/Irish politicians (on both sides of the political divide) take some beating.
    ‘I feel homeless’: Woman with British children who has lived in UK for years denied EU settled status




    The Home Office states that during the review process an applicant’s rights should be protected, but Ms Randone said she was worried about travelling out of the UK to visit her sick mother in Latvia in case she could not re-enter, based on what she was previously told by a border official.

    “I received the rejection when I was in Latvia, and on return to the UK I was stopped at the border. The border agent said he could see that I had a review pending, but he said: ‘If you leave again, I’m fairly certain they will not let you back in’,” she said.

    “It’s very stressful. Christmas is the time when it’s important to see your family. My mum is very unwell. She can’t walk properly. She needs help around her house. We need to stockpile wood so she can heat it.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-feel-homeless-woman-with-british-children-who-has-lived-in-uk-for-years-denied-eu-settled-status/ar-AARXxmc?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Liz Truss takes over Brexit Protocol negotiations after resignation of Lord Frost



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/liz-truss-takes-over-brexit-protocol-negotiations-after-resignation-of-lord-frost/ar-AARY5F9?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Lord Frost was a flop who got tired of being the fall guy for Boris Johnson



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lord-frost-was-a-flop-who-got-tired-of-being-the-fall-guy-for-boris-johnson/ar-AARXHqm?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    A cold response to Lord Frost’s resignation





    The departure of Lord Frost as Brexit minister (Report, 19 December) is the first sign I have seen for some time that the Conservative government may be pursuing some sensible policies. Frost either misunderstood the EU or grossly underestimated its resolve, and has been a disaster in negotiating our exit. His departure is to be warmly welcomed, and one hopes that it leads to a substantial reset of the UK’s approach in that area.


    David Smith

    Accra, Ghana


    • After Lord Frost’s resignation, Nadine Dorries tried to defend the prime minister in the Conservative WhatsApp group (Report, 19 December), but her post was deemed unacceptable by “libertarian” Steve Baker, who then deleted her from it. Surely any true libertarian should respect this most basic principle described by John Stuart Mill: “The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it.” Apparently, however, Mr Baker has no respect for this principle.




    Peter Swann

    Nottingham


    • So Lord Frost has resigned because he does not like the direction the government is going in. I had no idea this government had a direction. Pray, tell us more.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/a-cold-response-to-lord-frost-s-resignation/ar-AAS02KX?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Ireland could be united within a decade, say voters in survey that reveals the majority think the North will quit the Union in a future poll



    Fears Northern Ireland will vote to quit the United Kingdom are laid bare in a poll published today. If a vote were held in Northern Ireland tomorrow, most people would vote not to join the Republic.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10300475/Ireland-unite-decade-say-voters-Survey-reveals-majority-think-North-quit-Union.html

    Stop reading Daily Mail headlines. They very often state precisely the opposite of the actual article.

    Poll said 54-46 in favour of remaining in the Union. Previous poll by same Company had found a small majority in favour of leaving.

    There is a reason why people think Northern Ireland may leave in the future. And it has nothing to do with Brexit.

    The percentage of Catholics in Northern Ireland is steadily increasing.
    A Frost warning: Brexit is a failure and no one can rescue it.



    The departure of Lord Frost is a stark warning. Brexit is a failure and no one can rescue it. In Scotland, we have to decide whether we want to be tied to this folly.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/a-frost-warning-brexit-is-a-failure-and-no-one-can-rescue-it-angus-robertson/ar-AARZBVn?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,240
    Essexphil said:

    Seems to be a theme running here. Much like Boris, Xmas parties, etc.

    1. Lord Frost takes totally ridiculous stance on dealing with the EU post-Brexit. Complete silence from the Nasty Party
    2. Lord Frost rejoins the real world. Suggests "compromise" such as the EU can have a role in relation to policing of a border which is (in shock news) both a border between us and the EU AND between the EU and us. Contender for the Party Leadership tells him not to be stupid.

    Nothing to do with Brexit.

    Everything to do with stupidity. Once somebody who seems mostly sensible (Sunak) says something this stupid, we all know he is preparing for the next election. You know, yet again, the one where 361 MPs foist an unelected PM on us.

    For the 3rd election in a row.

    Liz Truss threatens to rip up Ulster deal over ECJ judges row


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/liz-truss-threatens-to-rip-up-ulster-deal-over-ecj-judges-row/ar-AAS2h17?ocid=msedgntp
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    The Guardian view on Liz Truss and Brexit: new chapter, same story



    Even with an application of pragmatic will, the structural impediments to a more sensible European policy are great. The underlying reason is the longstanding failure in government to understand or even engage with the full implications of leaving the EU on the terms that Mr Johnson negotiated. Until that is fixed, the relationship will be unbalanced and uneasy. And fixing it is more a question of regime change than cabinet reshuffle.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-guardian-view-on-liz-truss-and-brexit-new-chapter-same-story/ar-AAS44dk?ocid=msedgntp
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