You need to have a look at the stat's relating to penalty Shoot-outs, rather than the Premiership matches. Penalties in Premiership matches don't have as much pressure on them, because there is still usually time left to play, and you can follow up a penalty and score, as Kane did against Denmark.
There is so much more pressure in Play-Off, and even more in Sudden Death situations, especially when the player has to score to stay in.
I'm not saying it will turn out to be 50/50 in that pressure situation (I'm sure you will enjoy researching it ).... but I'm sure you will find it will be a lot closer to 50/50 than the premiership stat's...... after all England ended up being 40/60 sadly....... and Italy 60/40........I'm sure you can workout the % total.
Gareth Southgate and his Coaches, who work closely with the Team, are far more qualified than any of us, to know who should take the penalties. Personally I would have liked to see the players strike the ball harder into the corners (like the Swiss did against France), but they still might have missed anyway......
All the players would have had to take a Penalty eventually if it had gone to Sudden Death and the penalties had kept being missed or scored at the same rate ....... that really would have been worth watching, just to see who could handle the PRESSURE
Kevin Pressman (Sheff Wed's goalkeeper) was a great Penalty taker. He used to virtually take the Net off, but he only got to take them in Penalty Shoot-outs
Why do you think that England have such a bad record in penalty shootouts in both the World Cup, and the Euros. They have won one out of five in the Euros, and one from four in the World Cup. So two out of nine. It cant be luck.
'BOTTLE'
.......or the Lack of it.
I don't think it helps that everybody, TV Pundits, Press and Media, go on about how bad we are too
Using this list, and adding Harry Maguire might have been a better choice?
Team Primary penalty taker Secondary penalty taker(s) Arsenal Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang Alexandre Lacazette Aston Villa Anwar El Ghazi Jack Grealish, Conor Hourihane Brighton Neal Maupay Jay Rodriguez, Pascal Gross Burnley Ashley Barnes Chris Wood Chelsea Jorginho Timo Werner Crystal Palace Luka Milivojevic Christian Benteke, Jordan Ayew Everton Gylfi Sigurdsson James Rodriguez Fulham Aleksandar Mitrovic Tom Cairney Leeds Mateusz Klich Patrick Bamford Leicester City Jamie Vardy James Maddison Liverpool Mohamed Salah James Milner Manchester City Kevin De Bruyne Raheem Sterling, Sergio Aguero, Manchester United Bruno Fernandes Marcus Rashford Newcastle Matt Ritchie Callum Wilson Sheffield United Oliver Norwood Billy Sharp, David McGoldrick Southampton Danny Ings James Ward-Prowse Tottenham Harry Kane Dele Alli, Heung-min Son West Brom Charlie Austin Kenneth Zohore West Ham Mark Noble Michail Antonio Wolves Raul Jimenez Ruben Neves
Don't know how old this is but Sterling is definitely not No2 taker for City. He might have been for a short time but he's well down the pecking order now.
KDB, Gundogan, Jesus, Rodri and Mahrez, as a minimum, are all ahead of him.
It is very easy arguing anything with the benefit of hindsight. Of the three that missed, it is difficult to argue that Rashford shouldnt have been in the five. That probably couldnt be said about the other two. The choice of Saka was surprising. The fifth penalty is always crucial, assuming you get to it. The difference between winning and losing, or staying in the game. A massive responsibility for such young shoulders.
It is wrong to sl ag off the manager after their best performance in 55 years. Just a surprising decision.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Bookies live or die by the prices they offer, and are rarely wrong.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Bookies live or die by the prices they offer, and are rarely wrong.
Maybe they don’t put up odds because a shoot out could be fixed. Every little helps.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
I have had enough of your nonsense now. The scoring rate in penalty shootouts over more than 40 years has been almost 75%. That is an undisputable fact. There is no reason to suspect that it is likely to change anytime soon. Therefore only a fool would argue that they are 50/50.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Bookies live or die by the prices they offer, and are rarely wrong.
Maybe they don’t put up odds because a shoot out could be fixed. Every little helps.
Firstly, they do put up odds. Secondly, when was the last one fixed?
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Bookies live or die by the prices they offer, and are rarely wrong.
Maybe they don’t put up odds because a shoot out could be fixed. Every little helps.
Betfair have provided special penalty odds for the England squad ahead of the 5pm kick-off.
The bookmaker have priced up each player's chances of scoring and missing as well as who will be among the first five players to step up.
Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Kieran Trippier, Declan Rice and Marcus Rashford are all odds-on to be one of England's first five penalty takers.
England's first-five penalty taker odds Harry Kane - 1/16 Raheem Sterling - 1/6 Kieran Trippier - 1/4 Declan Rice - 8/13 Marcus Rashford - 4/6
Betfair: Full England penalty shootout Kane - Score: 2/11 Miss: 4/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/16
Sterling - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/6
Trippier - Score: 2/11 Miss: 4/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/4
Rice - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 8/13
Henderson - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Pickford - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 2/1
Foden - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Grealish - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 5/4
Walker - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Shaw - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 14/1
Chilwell - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 14/1
Phillips - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 25/1
James - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/2
Maguire - Score: 1/3 Miss: 5/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 11/2
Stones - Score: 4/11 Miss: 9/4 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 66/1
Saka - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Mount - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 3/1
Rashford - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 4/6
Sancho - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Bellingham - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Calvert-Lewin - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/1
Mings - Score: 4/11 Miss: 9/4 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 100/1
Coady- Score: 1/3 Miss: 5/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 100/1
You need to have a look at the stat's relating to penalty Shoot-outs, rather than the Premiership matches. Penalties in Premiership matches don't have as much pressure on them, because there is still usually time left to play, and you can follow up a penalty and score, as Kane did against Denmark.
There is so much more pressure in Play-Off, and even more in Sudden Death situations, especially when the player has to score to stay in.
I'm not saying it will turn out to be 50/50 in that pressure situation (I'm sure you will enjoy researching it ).... but I'm sure you will find it will be a lot closer to 50/50 than the premiership stat's...... after all England ended up being 40/60 sadly....... and Italy 60/40........I'm sure you can workout the % total.
Gareth Southgate and his Coaches, who work closely with the Team, are far more qualified than any of us, to know who should take the penalties. Personally I would have liked to see the players strike the ball harder into the corners (like the Swiss did against France), but they still might have missed anyway......
All the players would have had to take a Penalty eventually if it had gone to Sudden Death and the penalties had kept being missed or scored at the same rate ....... that really would have been worth watching, just to see who could handle the PRESSURE
Kevin Pressman (Sheff Wed's goalkeeper) was a great Penalty taker. He used to virtually take the Net off, but he only got to take them in Penalty Shoot-outs
Why do you think that England have such a bad record in penalty shootouts in both the World Cup, and the Euros. They have won one out of five in the Euros, and one from four in the World Cup. So two out of nine. It cant be luck.
'BOTTLE'
.......or the Lack of it.
I don't think it helps that everybody, TV Pundits, Press and Media, go on about how bad we are too
Using this list, and adding Harry Maguire might have been a better choice?
Team Primary penalty taker Secondary penalty taker(s) Arsenal Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang Alexandre Lacazette Aston Villa Anwar El Ghazi Jack Grealish, Conor Hourihane Brighton Neal Maupay Jay Rodriguez, Pascal Gross Burnley Ashley Barnes Chris Wood Chelsea Jorginho Timo Werner Crystal Palace Luka Milivojevic Christian Benteke, Jordan Ayew Everton Gylfi Sigurdsson James Rodriguez Fulham Aleksandar Mitrovic Tom Cairney Leeds Mateusz Klich Patrick Bamford Leicester City Jamie Vardy James Maddison Liverpool Mohamed Salah James Milner Manchester City Kevin De Bruyne Raheem Sterling, Sergio Aguero, Manchester United Bruno Fernandes Marcus Rashford Newcastle Matt Ritchie Callum Wilson Sheffield United Oliver Norwood Billy Sharp, David McGoldrick Southampton Danny Ings James Ward-Prowse Tottenham Harry Kane Dele Alli, Heung-min Son West Brom Charlie Austin Kenneth Zohore West Ham Mark Noble Michail Antonio Wolves Raul Jimenez Ruben Neves
Don't know how old this is but Sterling is definitely not No2 taker for City. He might have been for a short time but he's well down the pecking order now.
KDB, Gundogan, Jesus, Rodri and Mahrez, as a minimum, are all ahead of him.
It was supposed to be current.
Interesting that Betfair had Sterling as a banker to be one of the five at 6/1 on. Admittedly these were odds for the German game, but I dont think they would have changed much. They only got two of the five correct. Saka was joint 8th shortest. Sancho was joint 14th shortest, at 12/1 to be in the five.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
It's obvious the odds favour the taker, they know where their attempt is going where as the keeper is guessing
The scoring rate is slightly less in shootouts. I was surprised by the fact that over 83% have been scored in the PL from day one up to date. That means slightly more than one in 6 are missed or saved. This explains the short odds for scoring.
If a successful penalty taker or average penalty taker continues to take penalties, their percentages will change. Some could go higher, some lower,and over time both ways. On any individual penalty, there are only two possible outcomes. “ History is no guide to the future”.
Stats are. The odds on a horse that won its last 3 races is likely to be shorter than one that has pulled up in its last 3. A player with a good record for scoring penalties will be shorter than one that hasnt, or a player that has not taken one before.
If there were odds on penalty takers, the more successful in the past would be shorter, obv. That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Bookies live or die by the prices they offer, and are rarely wrong.
Maybe they don’t put up odds because a shoot out could be fixed. Every little helps.
Over the last 5 years 32% of horse racing favourites have won. That means if you bet every favourite, you would lose 2 bets out of 3. If you instead bet on every penalty in the PL to be scored, you would win 5 bets out of 6. Not a 50/50, in either case.
It's obvious the odds favour the taker, they know where their attempt is going where as the keeper is guessing
The scoring rate is slightly less in shootouts. I was surprised by the fact that over 83% have been scored in the PL from day one up to date. That means slightly more than one in 6 are missed or saved. This explains the short odds for scoring.
Nosensense! 😱 I thought @HAYSIE was the master of nonsense, hence so many threads. No matter what record a pen taker carries over to his next pen, it’s 50-50. So you think you know the outcome of a pen by a players stats? And the next time a 90%, an 80%, a 70%, a 60% player takes a spot, you know the outcome? Using a moving average method?
Got to disagree with the science. Can’t save it if you can’t see it. Welly.
It's obvious the odds favour the taker, they know where their attempt is going where as the keeper is guessing
The scoring rate is slightly less in shootouts. I was surprised by the fact that over 83% have been scored in the PL from day one up to date. That means slightly more than one in 6 are missed or saved. This explains the short odds for scoring.
Nosensense! 😱 I thought @HAYSIE was the master of nonsense, hence so many threads. No matter what record a pen taker carries over to his next pen, it’s 50-50. So you think you know the outcome of a pen by a players stats? And the next time a 90%, an 80%, a 70%, a 60% player takes a spot, you know the outcome? Using a moving average method?
Got to disagree with the science. Can’t save it if you can’t see it. Welly.
Just think how stupid what you are saying is. You are saying a penalty is a 50/50 chance. Yet they have scored over 83% in the PL. from the day it started. That means they score just about 6 out of 7, no matter who takes them. In shootouts the percentage is slightly lower, but still almost 75%. This is 3 out of 4. You are saying 50/50, which is 1 out of 2. You have to be stupid to maintain that position.
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Of the three that missed, it is difficult to argue that Rashford shouldnt have been in the five.
That probably couldnt be said about the other two.
The choice of Saka was surprising.
The fifth penalty is always crucial, assuming you get to it.
The difference between winning and losing, or staying in the game.
A massive responsibility for such young shoulders.
It is wrong to sl ag off the manager after their best performance in 55 years.
Just a surprising decision.
That won’t be a guide to what is about to occur with the next pen,it’s just a price.
Whether it’s individuals,teams,leagues or countries,the stats are no more than the trend.
Every little helps.
The scoring rate in penalty shootouts over more than 40 years has been almost 75%.
That is an undisputable fact.
There is no reason to suspect that it is likely to change anytime soon.
Therefore only a fool would argue that they are 50/50.
Secondly, when was the last one fixed?
The bookmaker have priced up each player's chances of scoring and missing as well as who will be among the first five players to step up.
Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Kieran Trippier, Declan Rice and Marcus Rashford are all odds-on to be one of England's first five penalty takers.
England's first-five penalty taker odds
Harry Kane - 1/16
Raheem Sterling - 1/6
Kieran Trippier - 1/4
Declan Rice - 8/13
Marcus Rashford - 4/6
Betfair: Full England penalty shootout
Kane - Score: 2/11 Miss: 4/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/16
Sterling - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/6
Trippier - Score: 2/11 Miss: 4/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 1/4
Rice - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 8/13
Henderson - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Pickford - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 2/1
Foden - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Grealish - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 5/4
Walker - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Shaw - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 14/1
Chilwell - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 14/1
Phillips - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 25/1
James - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/2
Maguire - Score: 1/3 Miss: 5/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 11/2
Stones - Score: 4/11 Miss: 9/4 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 66/1
Saka - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/4
Mount - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 3/1
Rashford - Score: 1/5 Miss: 7/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 4/6
Sancho - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Bellingham - Score: 1/4 Miss: 3/1 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 12/1
Calvert-Lewin - Score: 2/9 Miss: 10/3 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 9/1
Mings - Score: 4/11 Miss: 9/4 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 100/1
Coady- Score: 1/3 Miss: 5/2 Take 1st-5th England penalty: 100/1
Interesting that Betfair had Sterling as a banker to be one of the five at 6/1 on.
Admittedly these were odds for the German game, but I dont think they would have changed much.
They only got two of the five correct.
Saka was joint 8th shortest.
Sancho was joint 14th shortest, at 12/1 to be in the five.
I was surprised by the fact that over 83% have been scored in the PL from day one up to date.
That means slightly more than one in 6 are missed or saved.
This explains the short odds for scoring.
That means if you bet every favourite, you would lose 2 bets out of 3.
If you instead bet on every penalty in the PL to be scored, you would win 5 bets out of 6.
Not a 50/50, in either case.
I thought @HAYSIE was the master of nonsense, hence so many threads.
No matter what record a pen taker carries over to his next pen, it’s 50-50.
So you think you know the outcome of a pen by a players stats?
And the next time a 90%, an 80%, a 70%, a 60% player takes a spot, you know the outcome?
Using a moving average method?
Got to disagree with the science.
Can’t save it if you can’t see it. Welly.
You are saying a penalty is a 50/50 chance.
Yet they have scored over 83% in the PL. from the day it started.
That means they score just about 6 out of 7, no matter who takes them.
In shootouts the percentage is slightly lower, but still almost 75%.
This is 3 out of 4.
You are saying 50/50, which is 1 out of 2.
You have to be stupid to maintain that position.