New BR challenge - Back on track

DeucesLive

Something I've just started doing that may help- check out your hand history (bear in mind it only shows the last 500, so do it within a 2 hour timeframe, say). Log the total number of hands played.

Then log the total number of hands in which you won or lost more than 8p. This should give you the total number of hands you've been involved in (this excluded all those hands you completed SB/checked BB, also excludes limped hands but we'll assume they were played optimally, speculated preflop, folded postflop with no dramas).

Divide the number of hands involved in by the number of hands played to get your % of hands played- that'll give you an idea of how many you're playing. I think anything above 20% is definitely too high, I don't know what the optimum number is but it's somewhere between 10-20% IMO.

Also, massive +1 to what Dohhh said. Suited cons+1 gappers are seriously overrated at this level- their main benefit lies in fold equity, and you have none. You're never flopping a straight/flush enough to make them worthwhile. If you're gonna play them, at least play the higher end ones that are capable of flopping TPGK (10J is absolute bare minimum). But try and get to the flop cheaply.

All pairs are worth playing cheaply, because sets happen far more than flopped flushes/straights, and you'll get paid handsomely if they flop top pair. Or, anything for that matter.

Remember too you're on a short bankroll, you aren't rolled enough to speculate too much. I think you should tighten up and just play AJ+, KQ and TT+ for a bit, until you're a little stronger. If you can get in with a pair for less than 3bbs, or multiway against deep stacks for 5bbs or less, then give it a crack.

The_Don90

deuces cheers mate

for the amount of hands played above 8p what to do is srach for hands lost with a value more than 0.08 and hands won at more than 0.08

this will save u looking at all the folds that you dont want. also search for full hands though after as that gives you a number of total hands youve been involved in

The_Don90

decided to stop the cash for tonight. Not getting spots, not getting hands, and as a result not even breaking even. I have decided to play dyms tonight instead.

Winning hands.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.00
TheAceOne	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.56
	Your hole cards	A Q
Jono1978	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.79
Polymath	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.18
mickw	Fold
denty765	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.18	£0.32	£3.82
TheAceOne	Fold
Jono1978	Call		£0.16	£0.48	£2.63
Polymath	Fold
Flop
		8 8 A
The_Don90	Bet		£0.36	£0.84	£3.46
Jono1978	Call		£0.36	£1.20	£2.27
Turn
		5
The_Don90	Bet		£0.90	£2.10	£2.56
Jono1978	Call		£0.90	£3.00	£1.37
River
		3
The_Don90	Check
Jono1978	Check
The_Don90	Show	A Q
Jono1978	Muck	K 10
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 8s	£2.77		£5.33

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MP33	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.35
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.78
	Your hole cards	Q K
oynutter	Fold
mansaab	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£9.76
bigandy18	Fold
MP33	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£3.74
Flop
		J 10 A
The_Don90	Bet		£0.14	£0.32	£3.60
mansaab	Call		£0.14	£0.46	£9.62
Turn
		8
The_Don90	Bet		£0.35	£0.81	£3.25
mansaab	Call		£0.35	£1.16	£9.27
River
		10
The_Don90	Check
mansaab	Bet		£0.87	£2.03	£8.40
The_Don90	Call		£0.87	£2.90	£2.38
mansaab	Show	K 10
The_Don90	Show	Q K
The_Don90	Win	Straight to the Ace	£2.68		£5.06

losing hands

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
EvenNumber	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£10.05
madmax1126	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.61
	Your hole cards	K A
markisking	Fold
bigmac76	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.71
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.38	£3.68
EvenNumber	Fold
madmax1126	Fold
bigmac76	Call		£0.24	£0.62	£6.47
Flop
		8 6 3
bigmac76	Bet		£0.62	£1.24	£5.85
The_Don90	Raise		£2.02	£3.26	£1.66
bigmac76	Call		£1.40	£4.66	£4.45
Turn
		3
bigmac76	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£1.66	£6.32	£0.00
bigmac76	Call		£1.66	£7.98	£2.79
bigmac76	Show	8 J
The_Don90	Show	K A
River
		7
bigmac76	Win	Two Pairs, 8s and 3s	£7.38		£10.17

3 hands with a total prodit/loss of over £1 explains my night.


Total Balance: £15.52

I have gone onto dyms so this isnt a closing balance for tonight. Im hoping that by being card dead i can fold my way to a few cashes. Felt i've been pretty pateient all night and the 2 overs + KHFD was probably the best spot i had all night, and in a dym im less likley to get stacked there.

The_Don90

went back to cash. couldnt get any more dyms going i reged over 3 different levels and waited 15 mins and im the only player in each.

results.

£3.30 bubble (66 v 77 of shorty BvB i set him in, he called and held. Left me with 1000. recovered to 1890 before big stack bully set me in on my BB i had AK he floped a house)

£2.25 Cash (103 v 84 somehow ended up all in with 8 high and 10 high on flop. 10 high held and bubble popped. did win both my all in situations here QQ v A8 and A2 v K9)

Result slightly down but with positives. i played well in both got a little unlucky in the £3.30 couldnt raise fold the 6's and walked into 7's later losing a flip.

Current balance: £13.92

The_Don90

Very frustrating night, at least tonight i can say bar one needless stack off (below) which i played like a complete idiot and nearly out of sheer frustration i played reasonably well. Unfortunetly the cards just wherent comming. I won back the needless half stack below, but literally raise folded my way doewn 3/4 of a BI. The best hands i was getting where marginals and i either missed the flop multi way after rasing pre, or someone behind 3bet.

Winning hands not featured above.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
senlee	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.73
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.14
	Your hole cards	J A
MP33	Fold
summer666	Fold
TIMEX7	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.10
senlee	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£3.98
TIMEX7	Call		£0.16	£0.42	£1.94
Flop
		9 3 Q
The_Don90	Bet		£0.32	£0.74	£3.66
TIMEX7	All-in		£1.94	£2.68	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.62	£4.30	£2.04
The_Don90	Show	J A
TIMEX7	Show	5 4
Turn
		K
River
		J
The_Don90	Win	Flush to the Ace	£3.97		£6.01

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MP33	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£15.57
SAIFU	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.14
	Your hole cards	A Q
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.62
hamster880	Fold
Raetheace	All-in		£1.25	£1.51	£0.00
TonyMT	Fold
jjjach	Fold
oynutter	Fold
MP33	Fold
SAIFU	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£1.05	£2.56	£2.57
The_Don90	Show	A Q
Raetheace	Show	8 A
Flop
		10 K 4
Turn
		Q
River
		9
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Queens	£2.36		£4.93

Losing hands not featured above.

Ok just the one and i will state i was pretty naffed off by this point and seriously in need of cards. id gone 2 hours without hitting a flop and Ace high suddenly seemed like the nuts.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TRIGEM	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£9.13
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.00
	Your hole cards	K A
hullaballo	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.61
MAXALLY	Fold
13Silly	Fold
TRIGEM	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£9.11
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£3.76
hullaballo	Call		£0.24	£0.60	£2.37
TRIGEM	Fold
Flop
		4 5 10
The_Don90	Bet		£0.45	£1.05	£3.31
hullaballo	All-in		£2.37	£3.42	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.92	£5.34	£1.39
The_Don90	Show	K A
hullaballo	Show	8 10
Turn
		Q
River
		4
hullaballo	Win	Two Pairs, 10s and 4s	£4.93		£4.93

Closing balance: £10.66

Its clear completeing this challenege is now out of reach. Im back where i started, almost, 8 days into it. I really am quite frustrated with how cards have went tonight. When ive had a marginal ive been re-raise or missed, when ive had a decent hand ive not found a way to get paid. All in all, the only hands ive won above a quid have been people bluffing into me. and a loose call pre with AQ but happened to be the right one. Again i think thats some frustration showing through.

Despite the AK hand above, ive felt i played pretty well tonight. however my roll clearly isnt able to deal with a swing like this. Im considering taking a couple of days break from this. And i will contunie to work towards £10 from £100 and will keep recording my progress, but i think its best to take a couple of days chillax. I may play some dyms later but unlikley.

MP33

I noticed you played very few hands tonight

I agree with most of Dohhhh,s thread about this level but I think you can mix it up a bit and can pick up some uncontested pots and widen your range now and again even if its just to give off a looser image as when your sat on the same table with ppl for hours at a time they will suss your range.

I played with you on a few tables tonight for a few hours but I don,t think we got involved in a pot togethor once.

You did seem quite disciplined though as there were others who were disciplined for an hour or two, then lost a cpl of quid and they just lose the plot - This level is the best way to learn patience imo and also your getting more practise at multi-tabling which is always good

I had an horrific start and lost about 25 quid in less than half an hour, but eventually settled down and 8 hours later 4 tabling I manged to brk even - If you can carry on doing the same and stay sain it should stand you in good stead for the future - Just look at it as a learning experience

Ps - How many pts have you got? Do you have a target for that?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge:

I noticed you played very few hands tonight I agree with most of Dohhhh,s thread about this level but I think you can mix it up a bit and can pick up some uncontested pots and widen your range now and again even if its just to give off a looser image as when your sat on the same table with ppl for hours at a time they will suss your range. I played with you on a few tables tonight for a few hours but I don,t think we got involved in a pot togethor once. You did seem quite disciplined though as there were others who were disciplined for an hour or two, then lost a cpl of quid and they just lose the plot - This level is the best way to learn patience imo and also your getting more practise at multi-tabling which is always good I had an horrific start and lost about 25 quid in less than half an hour, but eventually settled down and 8 hours later 4 tabling I manged to brk even - If you can carry on doing the same and stay sain it should stand you in good stead for the future - Just look at it as a learning experience Ps - How many pts have you got? Do you have a target for that?
Posted by MP33

i usually target for 500 per month as i dont always play as much as i should, most ive ever had was 1200 and that was 8 hrs a day grinding NL4. Ive just passed 500 so cant complain.

Playing on other site at the mo, lost biggest pot BB wise ive ever had.

9 seater table.

UTG calls.
folded to me in BB i check. (9d 4c)

Flop (2s 4s 9s)

I bet, UTG calls.

Turn (Ad)

I bet UTG calls

River (9c)

I bet UTG shoves.

I ponder, and i think A9 for UTG surley not. AA surley isnt played this way either.

I call

UTG shows, (Ac 9h)


600BB pot, serious FML.

DOHHHHHHH

1st hand  - AQ on A 8 8, you have to put the rest in on the river, and let him call with worse aces.

Having a couple of days off is no good, if anything you need to double your volume.

You can't give up just because you've had a couple of rough days, you're just as likely to go on a heater and make 10 buy ins in the next 2 days.

Don't give up u got 10 days left.

It's under 3 buy ins per day.

Piece of P 1ss.

pomfrittes

  Don, as Dohhh says, 2 days off is pointless. However, as i posted earlier in this thread and deuces has alluded to similar in his advice to dudeskin, you are going to struggle with this challenge whilst you persist in sitting down with 100bb. YOU CANNOT AFFORD IT M8.

 If you have 1 or 2 bad sessions your roll is decimated and i agree that at higher levels you should be deepstacked , IMO the opposite can be true at lower limits, ESPECIALLY with such a small margin for error that a tenner gives you.

 So i again advise you to try sitting down with 40bb and seeing how you go. I find that this strategy can work well whilst building yourBR as it puts you in a more relaxed frame of mind and allows you to play with less pressure.

 Give it  a try m8.

Dudeskin8

Agree with Dohhh about the AQ hand early on, £3 in the middle Vil has £1.37 behind, insta shove you CAN NOT be losing that value it's crucial !

Also the last hand you posted AK, should really be raising more pre at least 30p as this is BIG hand so you need to get value if you hit your A/K flop. C betting is marginally ok, I know it's awfully nitty but I probably just check fold a lot of the time, your OOP so don't know how strong Vil is, but now you've stuck 11 BB's in to call off half a BI with 2 overs no draw is HORRIFIC. If you're making these sort of tilt calls any sort of progress will be impossible I can assure you.

On the break yes a few hours if the beats are bad but multiple days isn't the way, I know that sometimes you load up a table (baring in mid you have a small BR) and just think please just let me win a few hands settle in but sometimes you get that crazy hand in the first 10 mins that you get outdrawn on but if you played it correct you need to stay there and you WILL win it back given time.

Overall though I'd say patience is MASSIVE and only play VERY GOOD hands but play them STRONGLY. If you haven't already, read Dohh' thread.

The_Don90

couldnt wind out the downswing £1.66 in account. Non recoverable now.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: New BR challenge:

Only a short session tonight. The emotions really got the better of me. As it was kind of a personal goal to get to the SPT i think i put a little more into it. However i usually always get this when i win a tournament. Its just the passion comming through. Although this is starting to show in cash when ever i take down a big pot. The K9 one above i literally lept off my seat. Joy that my reads where right, but even more joy that i won a decent pot, and its been that passion that kept me going back to tournaments over and over again. If i can really get it into my cash game then it will only make me a more determinated and better player. Really quite amazing tbh that im getting it at NL4 tho, i remember saying to DOHHHHH a few weeks back how much i hated the level and it tilted me. Yes it does get frustrating but to be honest, im learning more and more. Last nights 200BB stack off game me a major wake up call. I can beat this level and i will. All this emotional rollercoaster stuff really has tired me out. So i think its best for bed now. Really enjoyed playing tonight tho, first time ive played with a smile in a long time.
Posted by The_Don90

!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give up - you have a plan B to fall back on, go for ittttttttttttttttt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge : !!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give up - you have a plan B to fall back on, go for ittttttttttttttttt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

clearly not JJ, i have attempted to beat this level 4 times, a year on i have £1.66. Yeah great record. Clearly im not good enough.

pomfrittes

In Response to Re: New BR challenge:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge : clearly not JJ, i have attempted to beat this level 4 times, a year on i have £1.66. Yeah great record. Clearly im not good enough.
Posted by The_Don90

  

   Balderdash.

YOUNG_GUN

lol sorry i did laugh mate

OFC you can beat the level but you did use alot of your initial bankroll to play satelites so it doesn't really help, you said you can reload can you not anymore?

The main reason you failed is not because you cant beat the level but because of your starting level imo, starting low really does mean you need a serious amount of run good. to start at nl4 cash ihave always said you need at least £80 to deposit. Keep playing on 888 until you have that starting bankroll and then be stricter with yourself and if your going to play tournements or Satelites maybe add to your bankroll so its unaffected

dont be down dude just maybe you didnt run well enough because of your role, by now you know what the right decisions are etc talk to JJ if your having difficulty with your game

GL

DOHHHHHHH

lol I've no idea why u can't beat it, it's so easy.....

The mind boggles !!!

Just to cheer u up, here's a pic of Hoggers when he was struggling to beat the micro dyms.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/confusedplayers.jpg/

He got there in the end, there's hope for u yet...........

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Failed.:

lol sorry i did laugh mate OFC you can beat the level but you did use alot of your initial bankroll to play satelites so it doesn't really help, you said you can reload can you not anymore? The main reason you failed is not because you cant beat the level but because of your starting level imo, starting low really does mean you need a serious amount of run good. to start at nl4 cash ihave always said you need at least £80 to deposit. Keep playing on 888 until you have that starting bankroll and then be stricter with yourself and if your going to play tournements or Satelites maybe add to your bankroll so its unaffected dont be down dude just maybe you didnt run well enough because of your role, by now you know what the right decisions are etc talk to JJ if your having difficulty with your game GL
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

its nt my game its the way i run. you all call me a card rack. Seriously who tilt shoves 101BB into AA, KK and JJ behind with 4 people to act. . Last night i played 11.30-4.30ish with just a 10 minute break. I have 6 hands above £1 pots. I got stacked in two of them. Sorry but does that not tell you something.

I was 2 tabling so thats 10 hours of poker (5 per table) and i can remember 6 hands i played. Seriously i cant deal with downswings, and if i cant deal with a downswing then i cant play poker. SIMPLES.

DOHHHHHHH

You can't blame it on run bad Don.....

Not 12 months worth anyway!

Need to be more honest with yourself.

Shot taking/silly sats/tilt/not enough volume/brm .... all mess up your momentum, which halts ur progress.

Not sure where you can go from here unless you take that plan B.

If you refuse that, I think I would actually quit if I were you until you get a job.

SighKO

So whats the big deal??

Trust me in 3,6 or 9 months time you'll look back at this and p i55 yourself laughing, it happens to everyone dude. 

I don't know your game well at all, but I've seen enough to let me know I would stake you if ever you needed backers.

But get used to going broke cos it probably won't be the last time 

The_Don90

ty all will sleep ths off soon as i feel tired again