New BR challenge - Back on track

pod1

i will pm you again don to let you know about the staking mate, it will involve a sng. good luck  with the dyms. i cant give any advice to you at mo (you know why). hope it turns around for you . will pop in from time to time to see how your doing.    phil

The_Don90

Another losing session, played terrible here though. Alls i was finding was regs and shortys which was annoying. And while trying to find tables a HU with Wacko90 certainly didnt help. I knew what to expect there but while having 4 other tables going it gets a little confusing.

Winning hands

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
keithteeth	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.77
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	K A
shuffler	Fold
FRANK762	Fold
keithteeth	Raise		£0.14	£0.20	£5.63
The_Don90	Raise		£0.64	£0.84	£3.32
keithteeth	Call		£0.52	£1.36	£5.11
Flop
		4 5 9
keithteeth	Check
The_Don90	Check
Turn
		8
keithteeth	Bet		£0.68	£2.04	£4.43
The_Don90	All-in		£3.32	£5.36	£0.00
keithteeth	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£2.51		£2.51
The_Don90	Return		£2.64	£0.21	£5.15

Played that like a donkey. Raise slider pre went haywire as it was only meant to be 20p with a couple of clicks. Turn was just frustration

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
78202601	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.87
aceryan	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.57
	Your hole cards	K Q
sounddd	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.80
78202601	Fold
aceryan	Call		£0.16	£0.42	£5.41
Flop
		A Q K
aceryan	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.32	£0.74	£3.48
aceryan	Call		£0.32	£1.06	£5.09
Turn
		7
aceryan	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.80	£1.86	£2.68
aceryan	Call		£0.80	£2.66	£4.29
River
		5
aceryan	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£2.68	£5.34	£0.00
aceryan	Call		£2.68	£8.02	£1.61
aceryan	Show	A 9
The_Don90	Show	K Q
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and Queens	£7.41		£7.41

Played this one well IMO.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.95
bigandy18	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£10.56
	Your hole cards	10 10
JGIBBRFC	Fold
DanDesousa	Fold
sounddd	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.18	£0.24	£3.77
bigandy18	Call		£0.16	£0.40	£10.40
Flop
		3 K 9
The_Don90	Bet		£0.20	£0.60	£3.57
bigandy18	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£10.20
Turn
		10
The_Don90	Bet		£0.60	£1.40	£2.97
bigandy18	Raise		£1.20	£2.60	£9.00
The_Don90	All-in		£2.97	£5.57	£0.00
bigandy18	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£2.96		£2.96
The_Don90	Return		£2.37	£0.24	£5.33

Maybe could have just flatted the turn but was getting very draw heavy.



Losing hands.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Wacko90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.00
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.94
chard06	Sit out
	Your hole cards	J A
Wacko90	Raise		£0.10	£0.16	£3.90
The_Don90	Raise		£0.32	£0.48	£3.62
Wacko90	Call		£0.24	£0.72	£3.66
Flop
		6 K 9
The_Don90	Bet		£0.54	£1.26	£3.08
Wacko90	Call		£0.54	£1.80	£3.12
Turn
		7
The_Don90	Bet		£0.90	£2.70	£2.18
Wacko90	All-in		£3.12	£5.82	£0.00
The_Don90	Fold
Wacko90	Muck
Wacko90	Win		£3.33		£3.33
Wacko90	Return		£2.22	£0.27	£5.55

Wackos aggression paid off here.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
damorgie66	Sitout
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.90
	Your hole cards	A K
hail04	Fold
CHARLIE_DO	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£1.37
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.28	£3.70
CHARLIE_DO	Call		£0.20	£0.48	£1.17
Flop
		J 9 7
The_Don90	Bet		£0.36	£0.84	£3.34
CHARLIE_DO	Call		£0.36	£1.20	£0.81
Turn
		7
The_Don90	Check
CHARLIE_DO	Check
River
		K
The_Don90	Bet		£0.90	£2.10	£2.44
CHARLIE_DO	All-in		£0.81	£2.91	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.09	£2.82	£2.53
The_Don90	Show	A K
CHARLIE_DO	Show	Q 10
CHARLIE_DO	Win	Straight to the King	£2.60		£2.60

DOHHHHHHHH

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
coco3461	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.92
leigh67	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.24
	Your hole cards	A J
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.74
Manatee	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£1.53
jordy55	Fold
coco3461	Fold
leigh67	Fold
Flop
		7 5 J
The_Don90	Bet		£0.35	£0.81	£3.39
Manatee	Call		£0.35	£1.16	£1.18
Turn
		9
The_Don90	Bet		£1.20	£2.36	£2.19
Manatee	All-in		£1.18	£3.54	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.02	£3.52	£2.21
The_Don90	Show	A J
Manatee	Show	J J
River
		A
Manatee	Win	Three Jacks	£3.25		£3.25

Cooler

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Manatee	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.16
jordy55	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.23
	Your hole cards	A J
coco3461	Fold
leigh67	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.63
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.38	£3.56
Manatee	Fold
jordy55	Call		£0.24	£0.62	£3.99
leigh67	Call		£0.24	£0.86	£2.39
Flop
		A 7 4
jordy55	Check
leigh67	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.65	£1.51	£2.91
jordy55	Call		£0.65	£2.16	£3.34
leigh67	Call		£0.65	£2.81	£1.74
Turn
		2
jordy55	Bet		£0.04	£2.85	£3.30
leigh67	Call		£0.04	£2.89	£1.70
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£2.93	£2.87
River
		5
jordy55	Bet		£0.12	£3.05	£3.18
leigh67	Call		£0.12	£3.17	£1.58
The_Don90	Call		£0.12	£3.29	£2.75
jordy55	Show	A 10
leigh67	Show	A Q
The_Don90	Muck	A J
leigh67	Win	Pair of Aces	£3.04		£4.62

Action Jack strikes again

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MICKBASS	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.31
coco3461	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.41
	Your hole cards	J 10
leigh67	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.56
wexy	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£3.90
MICKBASS	Raise		£0.14	£0.28	£3.17
coco3461	Call		£0.12	£0.40	£2.29
leigh67	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.12	£0.52	£3.78
Flop
		8 Q 9
MICKBASS	Bet		£0.26	£0.78	£2.91
coco3461	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.04	£1.82	£2.74
MICKBASS	All-in		£2.91	£4.73	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£2.13	£6.86	£0.61
MICKBASS	Show	A 3
The_Don90	Show	J 10
Turn
		10
River
		J
MICKBASS	Win	Flush to the Ace	£6.34		£6.34

Fold pre maybe, decent odds with a good drawy hand. Once flop comes i cant do anything

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
FRANK762	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£7.31
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	Q A
shuffler	Fold
DOC_56	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.08
FRANK762	Raise		£0.12	£0.22	£7.19
The_Don90	Raise		£0.40	£0.62	£3.56
DOC_56	Fold
FRANK762	Call		£0.30	£0.92	£6.89
Flop
		6 10 2
FRANK762	Bet		£0.20	£1.12	£6.69
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£1.32	£3.36
Turn
		K
FRANK762	Bet		£0.40	£1.72	£6.29
The_Don90	Raise		£1.00	£2.72	£2.36
FRANK762	Call		£0.60	£3.32	£5.69
River
		9
FRANK762	Bet		£0.20	£3.52	£5.49
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£3.72	£2.16
FRANK762	Show	A K
The_Don90	Muck	Q A
FRANK762	Win	Pair of Kings	£3.44		£8.93

Played that like a complete idiot broke a golden rule there.

Closing Balance: £24.30 (please not i have tourny entries also with DTD and survivor)

Disappointed with this session. played badly and like an idiot most of the time. Hopefully a tourny bink a tourny tonight, but need to pull something out the back.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

i will pm you again don to let you know about the staking mate, it will involve a sng. good luck  with the dyms. i cant give any advice to you at mo (you know why). hope it turns around for you . will pop in from time to time to see how your doing.    phil
Posted by pod1

ah np mate. will get it and reply after my mtts.

TINTIN

don r luck should change within a few mins, ive got all the bad luck going, just dropped 5 buyins over 5 tables inside 15 mins, 3 times villain spiked river for flush when allin before, once when i went for chasing the nut flush oppo had j high flush draw plus 2 live cards live card rivers and the last once i spewed off. add that to the few earlier where i get it in pre with prem pair only for the under pair to spike then its been a pretty bad day

pod1

dont get me started , dropped 35 bi this mnth!!!!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

don r luck should change within a few mins, ive got all the bad luck going, just dropped 5 buyins over 5 tables inside 15 mins, 3 times villain spiked river for flush when allin before, once when i went for chasing the nut flush oppo had j high flush draw plus 2 live cards live card rivers and the last once i spewed off. add that to the few earlier where i get it in pre with prem pair only for the under pair to spike then its been a pretty bad day
Posted by TINTIN

yea know the feeling mate. I played really badly in that session, no grudges at losing when i play bad, donk of doe, and get it in bad.

Dudeskin8

Some very dodgy hands in that last post Don, you shove all-in with AK on turn with no draw against a player who has bet out and could easily snap you off with bottom pair.

KQ is fine.

10's is fine.

AJ against a red is pretty bad, the c bet is questionable but once called you HAVE to shut down, 90p bet on turn is just too risky.

AK after cbet again not awful but OOP I prefer taking the weak line, remember keep bluffing to a minimum.

AJ just sick.

AJ again why do you just flat the aful 4p bet, for me you should just get it in here and get paid by worse aces.

J10s yep I'd fold this pre very tight but just saves getting in spots with top pair weak kicker, although here you cud do nothing lol.

AQs fibal hand I'd just flat the raise pre, then fold when bet into, you only have two overs. turn play is pretty horrific at this level and I guess you  called river bet for info but just don't play it like this.

The_Don90

ty for all you wounderful comments. I admit theres been good and bad along the way. However right now Sky just isnt working for me. There could be multiple reasons for this.

A) Im playing like an idiot

downswing

C) everyone knows my game

D) Im just not good at poker.

E) Im just not a 6 max player

As i've not played much elsewhere of late ive decided to try out elsewhere and see how it goes. It will either show me im not playing well and then i can take a full break and assess, it maybe im just not getting the cards. However I think the main problem is, all the biggest sucsesses ive had in poker has been on full 9 seater tables. This might mean that my game just doesnt suit 6 max poker. The other problem i think i have, is ive posted countless videos, hands all on sky. People know my game, as a result my bluffs dont always work, they know my weaknesses and leaks easier.

I think its best that i work on these before returnig to attempt sky again.

I will still post as most of you are great people and ive left the small amount of my roll here back so that i can play forum games/HU etc.

I thank you all for the love and support thats been shown to me over the last little while. Its got me through a rollercoaster of emotions i cant always deal with myself.

harding10

You've slightly beaten me to it here Don, but

1) You can obviously play the game better than me, so offering you any advice on poker is pretty pointless.

2) you come across as a decent bloke and plenty of people are trying to help you.

You should be able to beat nl4 on here, but you're trying to do it with a short roll, by yesterday, and in the public eye of the forum. Are you putting too much pressure on yourself by doing it this way and is it affecting your game? Because at the moment nl4 on sky is beating you and you don't seem to be enjoying your poker.

Go play on another site if that's where you get better results, but maybe come back and try nl4 occasionally on Sky without making any fuss about it and see how it goes.

Enjoy your poker, & GL.

walesboy

good luck to you don m8
just a thought - the last couple of days when I have logged on I've seen you multi-tabling and for the most part up a couple of quid on most of them.  Then later in the day when you've done your post your down.
Just wondering whether you think with your game it would be worth saying to yourself that as soon as you increase your buyin buy 50/75% you shut down that table? I know with the bigger roll you want to push on, but at nl4 I find that a lot of the time there is that one hand or more I wish i didn't play just around the corner!

i know it looks at bit like "hit and run" but if you are trying to build your roll from a small base these regular small increases will boost it and your confidence? It will be table dependent of course, if there is one/two people who keep reloading but you know they are just giving it away then you stay on.

But just my two pennies worth from one who knows the trials of nl4!!

David

pomfrittes

  Don, you can beat nl4 m8 and you know you can but IMO your problem is that you spend too much time posting hands on here and not playing. I think it was scotty77 who advised you of this very early on in this thread but did you listen, did you ****. In fact you appear to have ignored most of the advice you have been given.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

  Don, you can beat nl4 m8 and you know you can but IMO your problem is that you spend too much time posting hands on here and not playing. I think it was scotty77 who advised you of this very early on in this thread but did you listen, did you ****. In fact you appear to have ignored most of the advice you have been given.
Posted by pomfrittes

I was listening. Your right i dont spend enough time playing some of the time, the posts usually where put up after i was tilted and taking a breather. The problem with that is i tilt to easily.

I spoke to DOhhhh about the "hit and run" table dependant technique yesterday (Walesboy suggested above) and he said it was a stupid idea and ill never beat cash doing that.

The shortying idea you came up with i was going to do, but winning that tournament left me with a comfortable roll. I increased tables, and did play more. This in turn increased volume.

I've fallen out of love with the game on sky tbh. And that meant i didnt want to play, which was killing my volume. I love the game. I just dont deal with losing well.

I think now is the right time to just give up (well try something else) for a while. Ive gone back to playing 1000-4000 runner mtts, something which i feel comfortable and enjoy doing. Its where i play my best poker, and in return when im happiest, except live tables, but really, this whole cash, its just not me. I have to accept that.

walesboy

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : I was listening. Your right i dont spend enough time playing some of the time, the posts usually where put up after i was tilted and taking a breather. The problem with that is i tilt to easily. I spoke to DOhhhh about the "hit and run" table dependant technique yesterday (Walesboy suggested above) and he said it was a stupid idea and ill never beat cash doing that. The shortying idea you came up with i was going to do, but winning that tournament left me with a comfortable roll. I increased tables, and did play more. This in turn increased volume. I've fallen out of love with the game on sky tbh. And that meant i didnt want to play, which was killing my volume. I love the game. I just dont deal with losing well. I think now is the right time to just give up (well try something else) for a while. Ive gone back to playing 1000-4000 runner mtts, something which i feel comfortable and enjoy doing. Its where i play my best poker, and in return when im happiest, except live tables, but really, this whole cash, its just not me. I have to accept that.
Posted by The_Don90

LOL! Shows you how much I know! Was only thinking in the short term to build up roll and confidence!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : LOL! Shows you how much I know! Was only thinking in the short term to build up roll and confidence!
Posted by walesboy

yea i was thinking the same just enough so that im comfortable.

splashies

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : LOL! Shows you how much I know! Was only thinking in the short term to build up roll and confidence!
Posted by walesboy

Yeh but DOHHHHHHH also thought that Stephen Lee would win the World Snooker Championship. So you have to put everything in perspective :P

On a serious note Don. I don't think you should give up because you can beat this level long term. However, if you're not happy whilst playing cash then you are absolutely right to go back and play the MTT's, where you are more comfortable.

Good luck pal.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : Yeh but DOHHHHHHH also thought that Stephen Lee would win the World Snooker Championship. So you have to put everything in perspective :P On a serious note Don. I don't think you should give up because you can beat this level long term. However, if you're not happy whilst playing cash then you are absolutely right to go back and play the MTT's, where you are more comfortable. Good luck pal.
Posted by splashies

Yea i used to be happy. But confidence starting to lack. With the lack of confidecne brings lack of disipline. lack of disipline means i lose. Losing kills the confidence and then the happyness. A little spiral that just has crushed me of late. I have the game, but not the mentality required for cash.

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

You've slightly beaten me to it here Don, but 1) You can obviously play the game better than me, so offering you any advice on poker is pretty pointless. 2) you come across as a decent bloke and plenty of people are trying to help you. You should be able to beat nl4 on here, but you're trying to do it with a short roll, by yesterday, and in the public eye of the forum. Are you putting too much pressure on yourself by doing it this way and is it affecting your game? Because at the moment nl4 on sky is beating you and you don't seem to be enjoying your poker. Go play on another site if that's where you get better results, but maybe come back and try nl4 occasionally on Sky without making any fuss about it and see how it goes. Enjoy your poker, & GL.
Posted by harding10

I think you have hit it spot on Harding, take a break maybe come back on nl4 but dont advertise it and put your results up for everyone to see. this probably affects your confidence, you have people on M s n like myself and dohhhh who are happy to talk to you so if you have any questions best speaking on there imo

Good luck in the 1000 runners and run good, ill chat on m s n soon no doubt

The_Don90

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track:

In Response to Re: New BR challenge - Back on track : I think you have hit it spot on Harding, take a break maybe come back on nl4 but dont advertise it and put your results up for everyone to see. this probably affects your confidence, you have people on M s n like myself and dohhhh who are happy to talk to you so if you have any questions best speaking on there imo Good luck in the 1000 runners and run good, ill chat on m s n soon no doubt
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

haha cheers mate. Trying. Came 232nd in my first one back to them. Played 14 hands in 3 hours of play 162 cash so was down to 13BB needed to make a move. Just shoved 66 into AA n KK. Standard. Was hoping my image would allow me to steal some blinds, clearly not when their HUGGGEEEE lol. Certainly enjoyed playing again though.

Dudeskin8

You mention a few posts up reasons why you're not winning.

A) I'll agree with to a certain extent as some hands have been tilty

Yes variance is tough and it would be great to start off doing good first but I think A) has a lot to do with why you're on a downswing.

C) This imo is rubbish, the vast majority of people at that level don't really care about the other players it's just what cards they have, yes there are a few regs but in general you should only be playing good cards and hence not needing to worry if they know this as you will get money off the bad players.

D) Again rubbish, making a thread like this shows you think about the game and are always improving but imo I don't think you need to be an amazing player to beat this level it's just dicipline and not tilting. I'm grinding like you right now, tbh the beats are bad but I feel much more scared about potentially facing tables full of good players if/when I move up who can beat you in different ways other than just getting lucky.

E) Not sure about this one, I played 10 seater 4NL for a little while a few months back and for me it was even more crazy and getting limpers to fold pre so your heads up was impossible, with 6 max it's just the right amount imo.

Also I agree with walesboy's idea about the hit n run technique (especially for small BR's) often if I start a session very well like double up in say first ~20 hands then I'll probably say job done I'll take a break now and have that nice feeling of knowing I've made a good profit.

Good luck though mate and you can defo beat this level !

DOHHHHHHH

I vote for reason 1!

lol

The hit and run technique is bad because you should assess each table by looking at the players on it, rather than your stack.

If you double up on a table it generally means you're playing/reading it well.

So why would you leave?