Hi Don, see things have gone tatties up since i was here last.
Listen, i have done the exact same thing after moving up before. They dont call it grinding for nothing mate.
You know you can beat 4NL, just drop down again until you have the £200 (dudeskin, i changed it £££££££ lol) to move up to NL8, it just gives you an extra bit of cushion to multi-table. There is a big table selection at NL4 so just go back to grinding those.
It took me 3 attempts to get to grips with NL8 but every time i got coolered or variance hit or i just basically stacked off too light i learnt from thise mistakes and didnt do it again. I just dropped down to NL4 where i knew i could beat the game. You obviously look through your HH to disect where you went right/wrong which is really good.
Maybe if it is affecting your game you need a wee break from it all for a week or so?
Hi Don, see things have gone tatties up since i was here last. Listen, i have done the exact same thing after moving up before. They dont call it grinding for nothing mate. You know you can beat 4NL, just drop down again until you have the £200 (dudeskin, i changed it £££££££ lol) to move up to NL8, it just gives you an extra bit of cushion to multi-table. There is a big table selection at NL4 so just go back to grinding those. It took me 3 attempts to get to grips with NL8 but every time i got coolered or variance hit or i just basically stacked off too light i learnt from thise mistakes and didnt do it again. I just dropped down to NL4 where i knew i could beat the game. You obviously look through your HH to disect where you went right/wrong which is really good. Maybe if it is affecting your game you need a wee break from it all for a week or so? Posted by DrSharp
It was actually NL10 that done the damage. Only had one bad session at NL8 since. The rest of the damage was rfrom MTTs.
Last night i was happy to have a £2 cash profit. Knowing i was mixing things up and maybe calle a few rivers light to get an idea of notes. I know this isnt profitable, but i feel the short term loss will be a long term gain
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : It was actually NL10 that done the damage. Only had one bad session at NL8 since. The rest of the damage was rfrom MTTs. Last night i was happy to have a £2 cash profit. Knowing i was mixing things up and maybe calle a few rivers light to get an idea of notes. I know this isnt profitable, but i feel the short term loss will be a long term gain Posted by The_Don90
One thing I would advise instead of this is simply looking back at HH for pots that you're not involved in (at least 20bbs deep). This is much better than actively giving money away which imo is not needed at NL8 or any level for that matter.
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : One thing I would advise instead of this is simply looking back at HH for pots that you're not involved in (at least 20bbs deep). This is much better than actively giving money away which imo is not needed at NL8 or any level for that matter. Posted by Dudeskin8
yea your right. when i say light. i dont mean A high or worse. maybe a second pair and going by action might be good anyways.
I drifted away from the normal ABC poker a little and brought in bits that i have in my own game. I actually believe this allowed me to mix it up considerably. Something which i do, do in mtts, but never tried in cash.
Tbh dude. i think ive done loads wrong over the past 35 pages. Changing my game wasnt one of them. however i almost feel like a robot at times. bringing in little bits of my own game allowed me to feel a little more normal and more thought processed based.
for the first time ever with the better players only (not the regs but the ones between fish and regs) i can put them into a range.
Came 4th in that £5.75 bounty hunter. 3 bounties to boot. I have a new bed comming today so not sure how much game time ill get. Closing Balance: £145.48 Posted by The_Don90
Good work.
I used to love plying these £5.75 afternoon BH's the standard from what i remember is terrible
In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : yea your right. when i say light. i dont mean A high or worse. maybe a second pair and going by action might be good anyways. I drifted away from the normal ABC poker a little and brought in bits that i have in my own game. I actually believe this allowed me to mix it up considerably. Something which i do, do in mtts, but never tried in cash. Tbh dude. i think ive done loads wrong over the past 35 pages. Changing my game wasnt one of them. however i almost feel like a robot at times. bringing in little bits of my own game allowed me to feel a little more normal and more thought processed based. for the first time ever with the better players only (not the regs but the ones between fish and regs) i can put them into a range. Posted by The_Don90
Yes some bits have been wrong like calling 3bets pre w/33 with bad odds and shoving over flop bets with under pairs for buy-ins, yh that's pretty horrific. Most though has been just variance/gettng unlucky, stuff you can't control but can improve by increasing volume.
A robot, that is exactly how I played and beat NL4/8 and 10, oh and also very good table selection, stuff like even if you're up 2 BI's on one table and you notice it's now full of REGs don't sit there like a wally admiring your stack instead stand and find more dead money elsewhere.
Better players? These should be very easy to avoid if using good table selection, if you're actively seeking them (God knows why) then you will ofc find it harder to win money as you'll need to build up crazy good reads to play them, which again IMO is not needed at NL4/8 and 10, Debs will obvz say NO! NO! **** NO to this but that's her opinion which is fine but for me it's not needed.
I find table selection takes too long, Much rather load up a NL10 thats full and just click find similier table until i'm sat at 6 Eventually the higher you go the fush will dry up and you have to learn to play the better players. The regs @ NL10 will be like the fish @ NL50 right? Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
gota say i have similar views. another issue i have is i sit at a able and no matter whos sat there i think i can beat em.
Literally anybody. I remember when i was at UKIPT Edinburgh for example. the lonmger it went the more i thought "im better than these guys" tbh i was playing likea complete fish but it felt right. there was only one guy i was consearned about and he hada 7% volantary jhand played ratio and was directly to my left.
How hard is it to search for players in find a player, I mean seriosuly it takes like 2-3 mins if that and even less once you have many REGs tagged from previous sessions, then you just try and avoid.
Again you're not listening I said for NL4/8/10, higher it changes obvz but still tbh if not for some nasty beats I'd still be there now thanks to good table selection but you can't control how the cards come out so when I get it all in with AA v KK I lose to K on river but that's fine and standard.
Have to agree with dudeskin. At NL4 and NL8, definitely find the easy money. Why make life difficult for yourself, yes you might still be the best player at the table even when it has 3 or 4 regs on it but i would rather play 5 idiots than 1 idiot and 4 regs. Leave the ego away from the table and get the easy money. I actively stay away from tables full of regs as although i still think i would win long term against most of them it will be quicker and easier against someone who just wants a gamble.
NL10 seems the same although it is definitely tighter but you still get the odd nutcase calling all-in on a J high board with J,4 offsuit, its just that there are less of them than at NL4 and NL8. Find em, stack em and watch the roll grow. You will encounter more regs as you move up so the standard slowly increases as you go but at the lowest levels, just play the people who like to play and gamble without really knowing the right way to play. You'll get to play the better players as you go, why rush to sit with them at NL4?
Going a little of topic. 6 tbling NL10 what BR would you suggest? And what would b needed for NL20 6 tbling? Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
I have heard a few times that you shouldnt have more than 5% of your BR in play at one time. Its hard to stick to that, i certainly dont but i dont htink it does any harm to be a BR nit.
It's like when Redmon Lee was on a show once and mentioned a guy said to him 'wouldn't it be good if you had a table with 4/5 good players, yourself and maybe 2 bad ones' and even he was like yh sure lets invite Ivey along too, at least someone will respect my raises lol
For me this just shows that even the best players would rather play awful ones and not good ones as they're there to make money simple as that.
Totally agree. I understand that to move up you will have to beat better players but i dont see the rush in sitting with the better players at NL4. There have been/is some good players there, Don is a winning reg, you yourself were crushing NL4, i have seen DOHHHHHHH play NL4, Pod1 is kicking about now and again, rancid, junglegeek, xcarolinex, JGIBB the list goes on and on. Dont see the point in sitting on a table with any of them when there is so much dead money on offer on all the other tables.
i know you guys are right tbh. Anyways ended up at the pub last night and spent £3 on 2 frenzy goes yesterday. Will be back grinding today. think its about time i stopped all this cowerring from cash.
Comments
Last night i was happy to have a £2 cash profit. Knowing i was mixing things up and maybe calle a few rivers light to get an idea of notes. I know this isnt profitable, but i feel the short term loss will be a long term gain
I drifted away from the normal ABC poker a little and brought in bits that i have in my own game. I actually believe this allowed me to mix it up considerably. Something which i do, do in mtts, but never tried in cash.
Tbh dude. i think ive done loads wrong over the past 35 pages. Changing my game wasnt one of them. however i almost feel like a robot at times. bringing in little bits of my own game allowed me to feel a little more normal and more thought processed based.
for the first time ever with the better players only (not the regs but the ones between fish and regs) i can put them into a range.
I have a new bed comming today so not sure how much game time ill get.
Closing Balance: £145.48
I used to love plying these £5.75 afternoon BH's the standard from what i remember is terrible
A robot, that is exactly how I played and beat NL4/8 and 10, oh and also very good table selection, stuff like even if you're up 2 BI's on one table and you notice it's now full of REGs don't sit there like a wally admiring your stack instead stand and find more dead money elsewhere.
Better players? These should be very easy to avoid if using good table selection, if you're actively seeking them (God knows why) then you will ofc find it harder to win money as you'll need to build up crazy good reads to play them, which again IMO is not needed at NL4/8 and 10, Debs will obvz say NO! NO! **** NO to this but that's her opinion which is fine but for me it's not needed.
Much rather load up a NL10 thats full and just click find similier table until i'm sat at 6
Eventually the higher you go the fush will dry up and you have to learn to play the better players.
The regs @ NL10 will be like the fish @ NL50 right?
Literally anybody. I remember when i was at UKIPT Edinburgh for example. the lonmger it went the more i thought "im better than these guys" tbh i was playing likea complete fish but it felt right. there was only one guy i was consearned about and he hada 7% volantary jhand played ratio and was directly to my left.
Again you're not listening I said for NL4/8/10, higher it changes obvz but still tbh if not for some nasty beats I'd still be there now thanks to good table selection but you can't control how the cards come out so when I get it all in with AA v KK I lose to K on river but that's fine and standard.
Going a little of topic.
6 tbling NL10 what BR would you suggest? And what would b needed for NL20 6 tbling?
NL20 ~£460-80. IMO
Maybe more than this but idealy playing more tables = less variance so shouldn't matter.
Only 19 buyins to go! A min cash in the UKOPS M.E would help i feel
Morning session
Another earth crashing confidence blow. Maybe im doing somehting wrong i dnt know. I mixed NL4 and NL8 2 tables of each. Went for value.
Closing Balance: £124.35
I need to start winning pots soon. I cant keep this up.