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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited October 2011
    don't play NL8 - rebuild at NL4
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    AA v 10's - cooler.

    J10s - LOL so sick, although I check behind on turn with extra 3 outs and after strong cbet was called. Good for you though that you have someone who can't fold Ace high to two chunky bets, value town baby.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    Decided to play last nights Mini ME. Ive never played in a mini, and ive never cashed in an ME so any cash i was counting as an ME cash to get that burden off me back.

    Anyways was an eventful tourny so decided to post up some hands as a report for it.

    First hour i played pretty bad didnt run well either. 2nd hour if found my pace and a lil bit of run good too.

    First spot i find
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    jvl Small blind  50.00 50.00 1907.50
    BILKOMGS Big blind  100.00 150.00 9113.75
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    jgn Fold     
    solooooooo Raise  300.00 450.00 2281.25
    The_Don90 All-in  1113.25 1563.25 0.00
    andrew1947 Fold     
    jvl Fold     
    BILKOMGS Fold     
    solooooooo Call  813.25 2376.50 1468.00
    solooooooo Show
    • 10
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • J
    • 8
    		   
    Turn
      
    • K
    		   
    River
      
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Flush to the Ace 2376.50  2376.50
    followed by another
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    solooooooo Small blind  75.00 75.00 4079.00
    The_Don90 Big blind  150.00 225.00 2741.50
     Your hole cards
    • 7
    • A
    		   
    andrew1947 Fold     
    jvl Fold     
    BILKOMGS Call  150.00 375.00 9742.75
    jgn Fold     
    solooooooo Call  75.00 450.00 4004.00
    The_Don90 Check     
    Flop
      
    • A
    • 7
    • 9
    		   
    solooooooo Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  331.99 781.99 2409.51
    BILKOMGS Call  331.99 1113.98 9410.76
    solooooooo Fold     
    Turn
      
    • K
    		   
    The_Don90 Bet  835.49 1949.47 1574.02
    BILKOMGS Raise  1670.98 3620.45 7739.78
    The_Don90 All-in  1574.02 5194.47 0.00
    BILKOMGS Call  738.53 5933.00 7001.25
    The_Don90 Show
    • 7
    • A
    		   
    BILKOMGS Show
    • 9
    • K
    		   
    River
      
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Flush to the Ace 5933.00  5933.00
    And within 10 mins i had 10K
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BILKOMGS Small blind  100.00 100.00 5726.25
    jgn Big blind  200.00 300.00 6770.00
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		   
    solooooooo Call  200.00 500.00 3904.00
    The_Don90 Raise  555.00 1055.00 4723.00
    andrew1947 Fold     
    jvl Fold     
    BILKOMGS All-in  5726.25 6781.25 0.00
    jgn Fold     
    solooooooo Fold     
    The_Don90 All-in  4723.00 11504.25 0.00
    BILKOMGS Unmatched bet  548.25 10956.00 548.25
    BILKOMGS Show
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 6
    • J
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 9
    		   
    River
      
    • K
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Pair of Kings 10956.00  10956.00
    gotta win your flips. At this point id been very active on this table. I expected to see alot worse than Jacks here/
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BananaDog Small blind  125.00 125.00 8883.76
    LabRat1106 Big blind  250.00 375.00 6975.00
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    Maj Fold     
    bigbud28 Fold     
    tallytink Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  555.00 930.00 10376.00
    BananaDog Fold     
    LabRat1106 Raise  1400.00 2330.00 5575.00
    The_Don90 All-in  10376.00 12706.00 0.00
    LabRat1106 All-in  5575.00 18281.00 0.00
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  3706.00 14575.00 3706.00
    LabRat1106 Show
    • J
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    Flop
      
    • A
    • 8
    • 8
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 9
    		   
    River
      
    • 4
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 8s 14575.00  18281.00
    right before end of second hour
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    chelseaAA Small blind  200.00 200.00 11402.50
    JMH7 Big blind  400.00 600.00 6800.00
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
    		   
    The_Don90 Raise  888.88 1488.88 19984.46
    MRBIGCHIPS Fold     
    GrimmDark Fold     
    COFFEENCRM Fold     
    chelseaAA Call  688.88 2177.76 10713.62
    JMH7 Call  488.88 2666.64 6311.12
    Flop
      
    • K
    • 6
    • 8
    		   
    chelseaAA Bet  400.00 3066.64 10313.62
    JMH7 Call  400.00 3466.64 5911.12
    The_Don90 Raise  2000.00 5466.64 17984.46
    chelseaAA Call  1600.00 7066.64 8713.62
    JMH7 Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 4
    		   
    chelseaAA Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  3200.00 10266.64 14784.46
    chelseaAA Call  3200.00 13466.64 5513.62
    River
      
    • 5
    		   
    chelseaAA Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    chelseaAA Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    The_Don90 Muck
    • Q
    • K
    		   
    chelseaAA Win Three 6s 13466.64  18980.26
    and right after that again
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    chelseaAA Small blind  250.00 250.00 18230.26
    JMH7 Big blind  500.00 750.00 5411.12
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Raise  1111.11 1861.11 12923.35
    GrimmDark All-in  4225.00 6086.11 0.00
    COFFEENCRM Fold     
    chelseaAA Fold     
    JMH7 Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  3113.89 9200.00 9809.46
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    GrimmDark Show
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • 8
    • 2
    		   
    Turn
      
    • Q
    		   
    River
      
    • A
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Aces and Queens 9200.00  19009.46
    double quickfire hands here back to back. 4 from money at this point
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    COFFEENCRM Small blind  300.00 300.00 19603.75
    chelseaAA Big blind  600.00 900.00 18030.26
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		   
    JMH7 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  1322.22 2222.22 17809.46
    YOUNG_GUN All-in  6887.50 9109.72 0.00
    MELfeaAYR Fold     
    COFFEENCRM Fold     
    chelseaAA Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  5565.28 14675.00 12244.18
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    YOUNG_GUN Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 5
    • 6
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    River
      
    • Q
    		   
    YOUNG_GUN Win Pair of Aces 14675.00  14675.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    chelseaAA Small blind  300.00 300.00 17730.26
    JMH7 Big blind  600.00 900.00 3811.12
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Raise  1322.22 2222.22 10921.96
    YOUNG_GUN Raise  2766.66 4988.88 11908.34
    MELfeaAYR Fold     
    COFFEENCRM Fold     
    chelseaAA Fold     
    JMH7 All-in  3811.12 8800.00 0.00
    The_Don90 All-in  10921.96 19721.96 0.00
    YOUNG_GUN Call  9477.52 29199.48 2430.82
    JMH7 Show
    • 9
    • 9
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    YOUNG_GUN Show
    • J
    • J
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 7
    • A
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 9
    		   
    River
      
    • 3
    		   
    JMH7 Win Three 9s 13533.36  13533.36
    The_Don90 Win Pair of Queens 15666.12  15666.12
    and onto the bubble we go
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    JMH7 Small blind  300.00 300.00 14733.36
    The_Don90 Big blind  600.00 900.00 15066.12
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    budgirl Fold     
    MELfeaAYR Fold     
    COFFEENCRM Fold     
    chelseaAA Fold     
    JMH7 Raise  1200.00 2100.00 13533.36
    The_Don90 Call  900.00 3000.00 14166.12
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • A
    • 8
    		   
    JMH7 Bet  1200.00 4200.00 12333.36
    The_Don90 Raise  3600.00 7800.00 10566.12
    JMH7 Call  2400.00 10200.00 9933.36
    Turn
      
    • 2
    		   
    JMH7 Check     
    The_Don90 All-in  10566.12 20766.12 0.00
    JMH7 All-in  9933.36 30699.48 0.00
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  632.76 30066.72 632.76
    JMH7 Show
    • A
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    River
      
    • 3
    		   
    JMH7 Win Pair of Aces 30066.72  30066.72

    Min Cash for £7.

    Closing Balance: £121.28
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    22nd Oct

    Earlys

    Why do i bother.

    biggest winning pot
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    tonij362 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.82
    BINBOY Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.39
     Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 6
    		   
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.80
    chancjr Fold     
    waynebo228 Fold     
    alun1985 Fold     
    tonij362 Call  £0.18 £0.44 £3.64
    BINBOY Call  £0.16 £0.60 £4.23
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 7
    • J
    		   
    tonij362 Bet  £0.12 £0.72 £3.52
    BINBOY Call  £0.12 £0.84 £4.11
    The_Don90 Call  £0.12 £0.96 £3.68
    Turn
      
    • 3
    		   
    tonij362 Bet  £0.12 £1.08 £3.40
    BINBOY Call  £0.12 £1.20 £3.99
    The_Don90 Call  £0.12 £1.32 £3.56
    River
      
    • 7
    		   
    tonij362 Bet  £0.20 £1.52 £3.20
    BINBOY Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £1.49 £3.01 £2.07
    tonij362 Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £1.59  £3.66
    The_Don90 Return  £1.29 £0.13 £4.95
    So theres my confidence inspirer.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    julie1955 Sit out     
    polka Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.50
    Tazmanb Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.01
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		   
    thetodd62 Fold     
    Replicator Raise  £0.16 £0.22 £4.63
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.64 £0.86 £3.30
    polka Fold     
    Tazmanb Call  £0.60 £1.46 £3.41
    Replicator Call  £0.48 £1.94 £4.15
    Flop
      
    • A
    • 10
    • J
    		   
    Tazmanb Bet  £1.46 £3.40 £1.95
    Replicator Fold     
    The_Don90 All-in  £3.30 £6.70 £0.00
    Tazmanb Call  £1.84 £8.54 £0.11
    Tazmanb Show
    • 10
    • A
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    Turn
      
    • A
    		   
    River
      
    • 2
    		   
    Tazmanb Win Full House, Aces and 10s £7.89  £8.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MickDundee Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.36
    shunto69 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £2.56
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		   
    Godfarva Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.14
    terrytabs Raise  £0.16 £0.26 £3.03
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.64 £0.90 £3.30
    MickDundee Fold     
    shunto69 Fold     
    Godfarva Fold     
    terrytabs Raise  £0.96 £1.86 £2.07
    The_Don90 All-in  £3.30 £5.16 £0.00
    terrytabs All-in  £2.07 £7.23 £0.00
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £0.75 £6.48 £0.75
    terrytabs Show
    • A
    • 3
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 4
    • 10
    		   
    Turn
      
    • A
    		   
    River
      
    • 4
    		   
    terrytabs Win Two Pairs, Aces and 4s £5.99  £5.99
    Closing Balance: £105.13

    £125 down in less than a week. From NL4, 8 and 10. Really i suck at this.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    Its simple to say i cant cope with the variance. I dont wana debate over this again. Nor do i want a shoulder to cry on or be told to read The mental game of poker.

    But seriously had enough. Ive put up with a week of these stupid donkey outdraws. I cant cope anymore.


    Its clear from this last week i aint going to ever sucseed. So i throw in the towel. I will play. But only for enjoyment.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    Stop opening 6 high in early position !!!
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Stop opening 6 high in early position !!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i agree that was pretty bad. But lets face it, it shows how good a player i am when the one hand i win above 50p Is a mistake.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    AK and KK are just standard beats, just need to find some run good mate.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,627
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Its simple to say i cant cope with the variance. I dont wana debate over this again. Nor do i want a shoulder to cry on or be told to read The mental game of poker. But seriously had enough. Ive put up with a week of these stupid donkey outdraws. I cant cope anymore. Its clear from this last week i aint going to ever sucseed. So i throw in the towel. I will play. But only for enjoyment.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Hi Don,
    Firstly, I really enjoy this thread and have learnt a lot from it (I aspire to play cash so it has been a useful read )
    Secondly, was just wondering if the "diary" puts extra pressure on you? e.g. Does publicising your goals put added pressure on you? 
    Thirdly, what does only "for enjoyment" mean? do you mean live?
    Anyway, whatever you decide - good luck.
    pad
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : Hi Don, Firstly, I really enjoy this thread and have learnt a lot from it (I aspire to play cash so it has been a useful read ) Secondly, was just wondering if the "diary" puts extra pressure on you? e.g. Does publicising your goals put added pressure on you?  Thirdly, what does only "for enjoyment" mean? do you mean live? Anyway, whatever you decide - good luck. pad
    Posted by Glenelg
    when i started the diary the goal was purley to beat cash. It doesnt add pressure on me at all. if anything helps me stay focused.

    Basically when i say for enjoyment. i mean i will be playing anything i like if it sounds like fun. rather than sticking to a majorly strict bankroll playing purley low stakes cash
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : when i started the diary the goal was purley to beat cash. It doesnt add pressure on me at all. if anything helps me stay focused. Basically when i say for enjoyment. i mean i will be playing anything i like if it sounds like fun. rather than sticking to a majorly strict bankroll playing purley low stakes cash
    Posted by The_Don90
    your BRM hasn't been strict enough, thats why the beats hurt
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : your BRM hasn't been strict enough, thats why the beats hurt
    Posted by scotty77
    ryan, full respect to this comment. in defence ive been playing a BRM plan that dohhh and me disccused that sounded reasonable. Ive stopped 6 tabling and dropped 2 levels and im still losing. Thats what hurts
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : ryan, full respect to this comment. in defence ive been playing a BRM plan that dohhh and me disccused that sounded reasonable. Ive stopped 6 tabling and dropped 2 levels and im still losing. Thats what hurts
    Posted by The_Don90
    What, stick it all on red and start praying ?
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  • harding10harding10 Member Posts: 849
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : What, stick it all on red and start praying ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    lolol
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited October 2011
    Have to agree with Scotty also.

    Most people say that you should'nt have more than 5% of your BR in play at one time.

    You moved up to NL8 at £160ish and i think you were playing 4+ tables straight away which means if you were playing 4 tables you had £32 in play at one time out of a roll of £160 which is 20% of your BR. Way too much in my opinion mate.

    I had a roll of £260 last week which is 26 buy ins at NL10 but although i play a bit of NL10 it is usually just one table along with an NL4 or NL8 table with it to stop me getting bored. If i want to play 3+ tables then i am back to NL4 and NL8 tables trying to keep a cap on how much money i have in play at one time. I'm not saying that i keep to the 5% rule but i do try and keep the % down a bit. I also have a rule if i lose two buy ins in a session then i stand up and have a break because it could be me playing badly rather than bad luck.

    I'm not saying any of the above is bang on, just firing ideas about hoping it helps you maybe.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : What, stick it all on red and start praying ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    £160 to move up to NL8 £120 move back down.

    £230-£250 for NL10 £160 move back down.

    Ive stuck to that

    Tbh dohhh encouraged me to play 2-3 tables, it was my choice to play 6 which he discouraged,
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    Bankroll management was fine.

    Until it started going wrong, few losing sessions and it went t!ts up.

    Then instead of doing the right thing and nitting up/increasing hours/grinding it out, u started playing primo sats, then ukops sats, then small mtts, then bounty hunters, basically anything but cash.

    U have to learn to lose. 

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Take last night for example, u said u were gonna play. Friday night, 8pm, absolutely perfect grinding time.

    What do you do?

    1 table the mini open for 3 hours, get outdrawn, moan, start cursing your luck, and go to bed.

    What a wasted opportunity that was.
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited October 2011
    I think you should read "The Mental Game of Poker" by Jared Tendler
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : £160 to move up to NL8 £120 move back down. £230-£250 for NL10 £160 move back down. Ive stuck to that Tbh dohhh encouraged me to play 2-3 tables, it was my choice to play 6 which he discouraged,
    Posted by The_Don90
    I don't think this is strict enough becuase even though your not doing much wrong the beats come at this level
    thick and fast and before you know it your £40 down and on severe tilt becuase you can't believe whats just happened and now you feel you need to teach them a lesson and boom another £40 gone.
    Trust me, been there done that.

    I would suggest grind 6 tables ABC tight aggro NL4 back to £180, when at £180. PLAY 2X NL8 only and use these two buy in's to get you off the ground - alongside this you can also play 2or4 x NL4.
    Play 2xNL8 till you hit £230 and rinse and repeat
    The extra buy ins should give you some levrage and allow you to still be rolled easily for the level below which you know you can beat and grind money from.

    Don't rush it Don, slowly slowly catchy monkey



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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : I don't think this is strict enough becuase even though your not doing much wrong the beats come at this level thick and fast and before you know it your £40 down and on severe tilt becuase you can't believe whats just happened and now you feel you need to teach them a lesson and boom another £40 gone. Trust me, been there done that. I would suggest grind 6 tables ABC tight aggro NL4 back to £180, when at £180. PLAY 2X NL8 only and use these two buy in's to get you off the ground - alongside this you can also play 2or4 x NL4. Play 2xNL8 till you hit £230 and rinse and repeat The extra buy ins should give you some levrage and allow you to still be rolled easily for the level below which you know you can beat and grind money from. Don't rush it Don, slowly slowly catchy monkey
    Posted by rancid
    This ^^^^^^^^

    Sounds a bit more like it.

    Doesnt hurt as much then. I lost £15 out of a roll of £260 yesterday with people outdrawing me. I smiled at the first one, shook my head at the 2nd one and the cushion on the settee next to me got mullered after the 3rd one. Knew i was getting pee'd off with it so stood up and left it. It wasnt my night.

    My advice to your current situation (i have been in similar) is to drop to NL4, find 2 or 3 tables with plenty of recreational players and tighten right up until you have a hand you KNOW is good ang get it in. Even a couple of half decent sessions should get you back on track.

    Good luck mate!
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