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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited November 2011

      Don

     Look through your HH and see what hands are losing you the most money.

    Then stop playing them marginal’s unless you see flops cheaply and hit massive. If you don’t hit massive, then c/c – pot control until you do hit massive. 

    Playing these marginal spots aggressive is either going to be BR goes up quickly or down quickly. 

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    910s - bad call pre and on flop obvz, you get super lucky on turn no skill there at all bet for value thank god but then why the **** do you fold on the river, the 2 is a brick right ?

    KJo - you're 62% on flop so obvz canny win it every time, just run it more times.

    On the suject of will to play I'll have to admit I've recently been aflicted with the same thing, it just got to a point where I was about to play a cash session and just couldn't be bothered you know the constant pressure of having to concentrate and stay on top game as big hands can happen at any stage.

    Instead now I'm just sticking to the MTT's that I find a lot more enjoyable and also considerably more easy, but of course I remain strictly within BR and know that some stage I'll just get the itch again to play but for now it's kinda chill out time.

    Good luck finding the buzz again mate but if you don't feel it don't play, it will return eventually ;)
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    Im my search to find myself i decided i was going to be a little crazy. 50BB on NL30. Now before anyone has a go i done this as im trying to bring my stronger live mentality to my online game. I feel like a brain dead ape at Low stakes cash and tbh, i felt i needed, A) a challenge, and B) a little bit of thinking.

    So off we went and it looks like i coped ok until i decided to make a huge bluff at the wrong time. Now ive been asked to put it in the clinic so i will.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    haidyboy Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £30.18
    The_Don90 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £15.65
     Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    stokie99 Fold     
    SJspanky1 Call  £0.30 £0.75 £45.06
    davey495 Call  £0.30 £1.05 £11.72
    Wacko90 Fold     
    haidyboy Fold     
    The_Don90 Check     
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 6
    • 8
    		   
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.20 £2.25 £14.45
    SJspanky1 Call  £1.20 £3.45 £43.86
    davey495 Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 9
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    SJspanky1 Bet  £1.73 £5.18 £42.13
    The_Don90 Call  £1.73 £6.91 £12.72
    River
      
    • 9
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    SJspanky1 Bet  £3.46 £10.37 £38.67
    The_Don90 All-in  £12.72 £23.09 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Call  £9.26 £32.35 £29.41
    The_Don90 Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    SJspanky1 Show
    • 4
    • 5
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Full House, 6s and 9s £30.73  £30.73
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    got2fish23 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £54.86
    pod1 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £57.51
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 7
    		   
    davey495 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £24.42
    haidyboy Fold     
    blueboy83 Call  £0.90 £2.25 £13.65
    got2fish23 Fold     
    pod1 Call  £0.60 £2.85 £56.91
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 6
    • 3
    		   
    pod1 Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    blueboy83 Check     
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    pod1 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.14 £4.99 £22.28
    blueboy83 Call  £2.14 £7.13 £11.51
    pod1 Call  £2.14 £9.27 £54.77
    River
      
    • Q
    		   
    pod1 Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    blueboy83 All-in  £11.51 £20.78 £0.00
    pod1 Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  £11.51 £32.29 £10.77
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • 7
    		   
    blueboy83 Show
    • 8
    • 9
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Pair of 7s £30.67  £41.44
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £40.09
    haidyboy Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £54.86
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		   
    got2fish23 Fold     
    pod1 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £59.81
    davey495 Call  £0.90 £2.25 £19.09
    The_Don90 Raise  £2.55 £4.80 £37.54
    haidyboy Fold     
    pod1 Call  £1.80 £6.60 £58.01
    davey495 Call  £1.80 £8.40 £17.29
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • 6
    • 3
    		   
    The_Don90 Bet  £6.30 £14.70 £31.24
    pod1 Fold     
    davey495 Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £7.98  £39.22
    The_Don90 Return  £6.30 £0.42 £45.52
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £42.97
    haidyboy Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £49.91
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
    		   
    got2fish23 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £68.20
    pod1 Fold     
    davey495 Call  £0.90 £2.25 £25.37
    The_Don90 Call  £0.75 £3.00 £42.22
    haidyboy Fold     
    Flop
      
    • J
    • 10
    • 2
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    got2fish23 Bet  £2.25 £5.25 £65.95
    davey495 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £5.70 £10.95 £36.52
    got2fish23 Call  £3.45 £14.40 £62.50
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    The_Don90 Bet  £10.80 £25.20 £25.72
    got2fish23 Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £13.68  £39.40
    The_Don90 Return  £10.80 £0.72 £50.20
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    pod1 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £63.08
    hatchetboy Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £30.18
     Your hole cards
    • 4
    • 4
    		   
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £51.00
    haidyboy Fold     
    davey495 Call  £0.90 £2.25 £18.17
    got2fish23 Fold     
    pod1 Call  £0.75 £3.00 £62.33
    hatchetboy Call  £0.60 £3.60 £29.58
    Flop
      
    • 6
    • 4
    • 2
    		   
    pod1 Check     
    hatchetboy Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.70 £6.30 £48.30
    davey495 Call  £2.70 £9.00 £15.47
    pod1 Fold     
    hatchetboy Call  £2.70 £11.70 £26.88
    Turn
      
    • Q
    		   
    hatchetboy Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £8.78 £20.48 £39.52
    davey495 Fold     
    hatchetboy Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £11.11  £50.63
    The_Don90 Return  £8.78 £0.59 £59.41
    One losing hand worth more than a fiver, and its a pretty spectacular one. HOW NOT TO SHOW YOU CAN BLUFF!!!!!!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    haidyboy Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £108.71
    lynx3ffect Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £59.70
     Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 7
    		   
    huuuuume Fold     
    pod1 Fold     
    tokyo Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £48.67
    haidyboy Fold     
    lynx3ffect Raise  £3.00 £4.35 £56.70
    The_Don90 Raise  £7.50 £11.85 £41.17
    lynx3ffect Call  £5.10 £16.95 £51.60
    Flop
      
    • J
    • 10
    • 2
    		   
    lynx3ffect Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    Turn
      
    • Q
    		   
    lynx3ffect Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £12.71 £29.66 £28.46
    lynx3ffect Call  £12.71 £42.37 £38.89
    River
      
    • 5
    		   
    lynx3ffect Check     
    The_Don90 All-in  £28.46 £70.83 £0.00
    lynx3ffect Call  £28.46 £99.29 £10.43
    lynx3ffect Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • 6
    • 7
    		   
    lynx3ffect Win Straight to the Ace £97.49  £107.92
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    So you finish up or down ?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    So you finish up or down ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    i left with £0 mate. I bluffed off £50 2 mins before i was due to finnsih. Although my mind is much stronger, and well i can now say, i bluffed off £50 that £2 i could have bought that bottle of milk with is useless lol.

    Also the 9T hand from NL8 the 2 pairs the board, therefore meaning im beat by any 2, K, Flush or QJ, JJ QQ and AA again.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    LOL oh yeah missed that, still fold pre prevents it all.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    LOL oh yeah missed that, still fold pre prevents it all.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    haha yeap. making a move at wrong time = -EV

    tbh i feel alot better for that session, as weird as it sounds since it was a losing session. but it allowed me to actually do what my mind was telling me to do without having to think, im gona get 5 callers here. Things like "what does he have?", "how do i get paid?" "what am i repping?" all came through my head. And tbh up until the last hand all of those where comming good. I just forgot about the little, Whats he flatting a 4bet with pre OOP with part. And went repping his hand. Without one killer mistake by forgetting that i probably dont do that badly. Problem is i forgot one question before i shoved and i paid the price.

    But i think i know my mistakes i made and i will disect them later but other than that im happy with how the session went as a whole.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    Played mastercash on NL10 last night. Tbh i was hoping to get some good comments from Redmond on my pplay unfortunetly i only got one hand on which was pretty standard. I finnished a tenner down overall from 2 tables but was happy with how i played. Im not going to post hands, ive picked out a few hands where i can pick up on my own mistakes.

    However i will show one.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    tripp86 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £18.36
    STOCKY8A1 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £27.80
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • J
    		   
    frascati Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £21.05
    debdobs_67 Fold     
    Cypriot08 Fold     
    tripp86 Fold     
    STOCKY8A1 Call  £0.20 £0.65 £27.60
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • 8
    • 3
    		   
    STOCKY8A1 Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.49 £1.14 £20.56
    STOCKY8A1 Call  £0.49 £1.63 £27.11
    Turn
      
    • 8
    		   
    STOCKY8A1 Check     
    The_Don90 Check     
    River
      
    • 4
    		   
    STOCKY8A1 Bet  £0.82 £2.45 £26.29
    The_Don90 Call  £0.82 £3.27 £19.74
    STOCKY8A1 Show
    • 10
    • Q
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Pair of 8s £3.02  £22.76
    BRAG


    Anyways i decided today to give shorting NL30 a second go. Tbh i felt it brought some positives last time and it went well. A few basic errors but profit is profit.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xscool29 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £27.62
    chippy102 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £12.68
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    time2win Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £14.22
    imanewby66 Fold     
    xscool29 Fold     
    chippy102 Call  £0.60 £1.95 £12.08
    Flop
      
    • A
    • 5
    • J
    		   
    chippy102 Bet  £0.60 £2.55 £11.48
    The_Don90 Raise  £1.80 £4.35 £12.42
    chippy102 Call  £1.20 £5.55 £10.28
    Turn
      
    • 2
    		   
    chippy102 Bet  £0.60 £6.15 £9.68
    The_Don90 Call  £0.60 £6.75 £11.82
    River
      
    • 2
    		   
    chippy102 Bet  £1.80 £8.55 £7.88
    The_Don90 Call  £1.80 £10.35 £10.02
    chippy102 Show
    • 9
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 2s £9.83  £19.85
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £21.11
    mfraser Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £13.41
     Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 6
    		   
    xscool29 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £36.78
    rachp Fold     
    Luzhniki Fold     
    Tromboy Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  £0.75 £2.10 £20.36
    mfraser Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 5
    • 10
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    xscool29 Bet  £1.58 £3.68 £35.20
    The_Don90 Call  £1.58 £5.26 £18.78
    Turn
      
    • 3
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    xscool29 Bet  £3.95 £9.21 £31.25
    The_Don90 Call  £3.95 £13.16 £14.83
    River
      
    • 9
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    xscool29 Check     
    The_Don90 Show
    • 7
    • 6
    		   
    xscool29 Muck
    • A
    • 10
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Straight Flush to the 9 £12.50  £27.33
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £33.74
    leslie1953 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £34.04
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		   
    jonnyKK Fold     
    yupster69 Fold     
    1267 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £23.15
    PokerPicks Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £2.55 £3.90 £31.19
    leslie1953 Fold     
    1267 Raise  £5.40 £9.30 £17.75
    The_Don90 Call  £3.60 £12.90 £27.59
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • A
    • 6
    		   
    The_Don90 Check     
    1267 Check     
    Turn
      
    • 10
    		   
    The_Don90 Bet  £9.68 £22.58 £17.91
    1267 Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £12.25  £30.16
    The_Don90 Return  £9.68 £0.65 £39.84
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Slider73 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £29.55
    jonnyKK Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £26.62
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    		   
    1267 Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £26.89
    Slider73 Fold     
    jonnyKK Call  £0.60 £1.95 £26.02
    Flop
      
    • K
    • 2
    • J
    		   
    jonnyKK Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.46 £3.41 £25.43
    jonnyKK Call  £1.46 £4.87 £24.56
    Turn
      
    • J
    		   
    jonnyKK Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £3.65 £8.52 £21.78
    jonnyKK Call  £3.65 £12.17 £20.91
    River
      
    • 3
    		   
    jonnyKK Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £9.13 £21.30 £12.65
    jonnyKK Call  £9.13 £30.43 £11.78
    The_Don90 Show
    • J
    • A
    		   
    jonnyKK Muck
    • 9
    • K
    		   
    The_Don90 Win Three Jacks £28.90  £41.55
    Total profit £17.04

    Closing Balance: £106.58
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    A10 - pre fine, not sure about flop raise it's pretty small I'd make it bigger if you're doing it for value as you surely should be, rest fine.

    76s - Flatting UTG raise in SB ain't good imo especially short stacking as surely you're looking to get big hands a play them strong not just hope to get lucky with SC's. As played I'd want to check raise that flop as it has to be the best you could've hoped for, c/cing down again seems very hope I get lucky and even when you hit on river you check giving him easy check behind when horror card hits that he'll never value bet TP with.

    AK - good pre, I bet flop after 3betting pre about £7-8.

    AJ - nh, good to see you found the bet button on river this time :).
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited November 2011
    Gott agree with dude, you had to bet the straight flush river tohave any chance of getting more money in the pot.

    Not a bad little session though, grats : )
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Gott agree with dude, you had to bet the straight flush river tohave any chance of getting more money in the pot. Not a bad little session though, grats : )
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    the reason why i checked is i actually thought my oppo was stronger than he was. which would mean he might have one last barrel. Also i felt leading after c/c 2 streets i was basically telling him my hand. Way he was playing i rekoned he would be good enough to fold all but flushes.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2011
    Always nice to get a straight flush!

    I'm back at the cash tables by the way guys, sick of DYMs at the mo.

    And it feels great to be back! It's taken me a few sessions to find my feet again though, because I'm so used to the way to play DYMs, but now I'm back into the habit of overbetting the river against idiots, I love it lol.


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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Always nice to get a straight flush! I'm back at the cash tables by the way guys, sick of DYMs at the mo. And it feels great to be back! It's taken me a few sessions to find my feet again though, because I'm so used to the way to play DYMs, but now I'm back into the habit of overbetting the river against idiots, I love it lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    gl to your return to cash mate. Really always felt ud waste away in the dyms. Althouhg i rekon at NL4 ull find it much much easier with a dym mentality tbh. the only differance is you say is overbetting
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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited November 2011

    Think i would have had to put a bet in with the str8 flush on the river after he lead out on flop and hopefully got raised or at least called , but I thought you were going alomg quite nicely at NL4 when your roll was about £140 . I think if you,d stuck to it it would have gradually grown and you could then be loooking at testing the waters at NL8 or NL10 ( no more than 2 tables )

    pLAYING nl30 imo is not the way forward. i,ve tried it and got bt by it . i think it takes a lot of discipline to step down and almost admit defeat , but it will pay off in the end

    GL m8

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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Think i would have had to put a bet in with the str8 flush on the river after he lead out on flop and hopefully got raised or at least called , but I thought you were going alomg quite nicely at NL4 when your roll was about £140 . I think if you,d stuck to it it would have gradually grown and you could then be loooking at testing the waters at NL8 or NL10 ( no more than 2 tables ) pLAYING nl30 imo is not the way forward. i,ve tried it and got bt by it . i think it takes a lot of discipline to step down and almost admit defeat , but it will pay off in the end GL m8
    Posted by MP33
    my honesty is im not playing serious atm. tbh feeling brain dead consistantly killed me a little so i decided to just have fun for a while. find my love for poker and start grinding again in Dec. Im starting to find that love again, although admittedly not 100% yet, but getting much closer thn i have been all the way through Nov.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2011
    wo-hoa!!

    I didn't pay attention clearly lol. You have a BR of about 100 and you're playing at tables where you should be buying in for around 1/3 of your BR...

    What's going on Don? What has Doh got to say about this lol.

    I'd hate to see you walk AA into KK and him flop a K for a 1/3 of your bankroll but it WILL happen at some point.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : my honesty is im not playing serious atm. tbh feeling brain dead consistantly killed me a little so i decided to just have fun for a while. find my love for poker and start grinding again in Dec. Im starting to find that love again, although admittedly not 100% yet, but getting much closer thn i have been all the way through Nov.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Ok well if you just fancy a bit of a gamble and you're fully happy that you're BR will probably be gone within 5-10 sessions, then yeah it's fine.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited November 2011
    tbh Lambert, im half stacking so its 15% of my roll at a time, defo not ideal but its one buy in and done.
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : the reason why i checked is i actually thought my oppo was stronger than he was. which would mean he might have one last barrel. Also i felt leading after c/c 2 streets i was basically telling him my hand. Way he was playing i rekoned he would be good enough to fold all but flushes.
    Posted by The_Don90
    That's why you should bet, he almost definitely put you on a flush draw and unless he has a high flush he'll be checking behind. If you bet you may get a sigh call with worse.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    Agree with lambert on the BRM, you were doing really well to get to this stage and seemed like you understood you couldn't play the bigger games till you built up but doing this NL30 thing combined with your mentality, which you have to admit can be a bit iffy at times, you could have one nasty 30 minutes where you lose £30-40 and then think oh well lets just stick the rest on NL100 and gamble....., it might not come to that but just remember how much work you put in to get it up to this amount and then how soul destroying it would be to have to start from rock bottom again.
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