It happens to us all, but your memory sometimes get jaded after we have lost so many bi's Sometimes I'll think, that guy just got so luck and it's not untill I look through the HH I tink omg I played it so bad.
just run through you HH's and be honest with yourself, forget everyone else on here and be true to yourself
if your happy that you played good then no problem, siht happens.
If your in doubt then ask someone else to look over your hands.
While big swings can happen it's quite alarming to see such a big swing in a short amount of time @ 8nl and I don't think you can attribute it all to variance.
Some of your table selection seems a bit silly for example playing 3 handed with scotty77 and liamboi is just not going to be +EV. Forget grinding C4P's your not going to get near the top 20 at 8nl!
@Gary - Cheers, yeah I have more confidence in my ability than I think I've ever had, even despite how confidence damaging downswings like this can be. I don't doubt for a second that with a bit of time and effort, I'll be back to where I was before long.
@Pipunch - Well we'll have to see, but fingers crossed this run aint gonna continue, so I won't have to worry about it.
@Splashies - Cheers mate. Don't worry, I know I'll get it back. At times it's given my confidence a bashing but I know I'm good enough to win it all back and more.
@Rancid - Yeah I know what you mean. The selective memory happens to me all the time during the session, but I always look through my HHs from every session and try to be very honest with myself. I've no problem with admitting that during this period I've lost some money down to spewing and just pure donkey style play, but it is definitely the cause of the minority of my losses, and not the majority. The hands I have lost through bad play, there's literally no point posting in the clinic cos I already know where I went wrong. I'd be grateful if you had a quick peek at the hands in the two links I posted above and see if you think any of them actually aren't coolers or bad bad beats
@NColley - Yeah it is certainly alarming, and it definitely isn't all variance, but I can honestly say that I think a massive majority of it is variance. I know what your saying about table selection, although at 8NL you literally are lucky if there are 6 tables running so every single time I play I'm on every table running so no real option for table selection other than to play some 4NL instead or only play 2-3 tables. Both of these are options, and maybe ones I should have taken but that did only contribute to a very small amount of the losses.
Just noticed you posted on my BBV thread NColley, cheers for that. Yeah I think of all the hands, the KK is probably the least cooler/bad beatish of them all. I still think I'm good in that spot a fair amount of the time but it's not completely standard.
The QT v Liamboi - I flat the 3bet pre cos I know he will 3bet me when I raise from the SB with a VERY wide range. I did C/C the flop with the intention of making a move a turn and knowing that as a back-up I was very likely to be good if I hit either of my 2 others or the GS. You probably have a point abuot just calling as appose to c/r allin but I think with the dynamic there's plenty of hands he'll call with that I beat.
i think you need to take into account what scotty77 said on another thread the other day. it's no big crime to say 'there's only 3 tables of 8NL running, and 2 of them are bad tables for me so i'll play 1 8NL and 5 4NL'
you're easily better than 99% of the people on micros cause at least you try to think about the game
i'm not the greatest player but i make 90% of my money by playing people that are worse than me. on this site it's pretty much every table but on some others i have to table select really carefully otherwise i get put in spots i can't handle
i think you need to take into account what scotty77 said on another thread the other day. it's no big crime to say 'there's only 3 tables of 8NL running, and 2 of them are bad tables for me so i'll play 1 8NL and 5 4NL' you're easily better than 99% of the people on micros cause at least you try to think about the game i'm not the greatest player but i make 90% of my money by playing people that are worse than me. on this site it's pretty much every table but on some others i have to table select really carefully otherwise i get put in spots i can't handle Posted by Pipunch
Cheers, definitely a good point mate, and something I must have missed Ryan saying. I've probably underestimated the difference between making bigger profits in terms of BBs at lower stakes than grinding out small profits at bigger stakes. I don't think the promo has helped because there's so few 8NL tables as it is and they are getting pretty reg heavy recently, and when you get tables full of nitty micro stakes regs most of the big pots will be coolers, and it just happens that I've been on the bad end of the coolers all the time for a good few days.
Even as big a BR nit as I am, I'd have probably been better playing 10NL where there's like 20 tables going at night rather than 8NL and surrounded by nits on a handful of tables.
I never was good at table selection, but when I come back after the weekend, will deffo be paying more attention to whose on the table first.
Thanks everyone for the helpful and encouraging comments.
Was a nice break on the weekend, and great to meet a few new faces like EvilPingu, Bearlyther and Macapaca to name a few. I didn't play the ME, but I did play their turbo tourney on the Saturday night, was really happy with how I played but only managed 40th out of 128. I find it so much easier to figure out people's 'image' live than I do online, and apart from 1 or 2 players it was a super tight table so I was really bullying once the antes got involved. Did have someone have a go at me (I just lol'd) because it came to me unopened on the button, I've got like 11,000, and it's 600/1200/100 so nearly 3k in the middle already, I jam 96o, BB dwells for ages then calls with AK lol and flop comes 66x, nice double up there. But god it's SO much easier to accumlate chips with antes!!
Anyways, I've took all your advice on board and also got some good advice from Ryan at DTD too so cheers for that. I've got the roll, the confidence and the skill to build my roll back up so I'm still more than happy with my situation. After all, it only took me about 8 weeks to go from £170 to £350, so it's no biggie.
I'll be playing mostly 4NL and the 5p/5p action tables at the moment, but just going where the good games are from now on (as long as they're within my roll). Played my first session since my -10BI session and glad to say I made a profit even if it wasn't huge. I played 4x 5p/5p and 2x 4NL for 2 hours and made £9.80
So a good start to come back to which is always nice. Should probably cross the 1k C4P next session, obviously not considering the cash promo any more but want entry to the 5k freeroll, and I won't say no to a few free BIs at the end of the month (probably gonna get about £20 C4P me thinks)
They really are brilliant Liam. I've played a few of the actual SPTs which has been good, but I've also been to a few where I haven't satellited and have just played some side events and met some of the forum regs. Good to put a name to faces and there's just tons of friendly folk you'll meet like TommyD, JingleMa, GregHogg, Scotty77, Andrew1947, I could go on all day, but you get the point.
Well don't I feel like a complete tool! My account balance was correct last night so it turns out it was just a horrible session. I must have went wrong with my calculations somewhere but I was convinced that it was at least a break even session if not a small profit, but somehow got it completely wrong and I made a loss of £26.22
What a donkey, both for losing 5BIs (was playing most 5p/5p) and for miscalculating so badly lol. I really don't know how I made that much of a loss but them's the facts
Really frustrating to have made a big loss and not even realise it lol... only upside is that I got over the 1000 points mark so I got entry to the 5k freeroll... just need to bink in that to get my losses back
Yes I was at SPT, somehow I didn't manage to see you once all day but very well played on going as deep as you did.
Just a short session for me tonight, about 1hr 30 mins of 6tabling 4NL. No I didn't just lock up a profit, I've just got other stuff to do tonight. Made a £9.76 profit, so some of last night's losses back. Gonna be sticking round the 4NL tables til i get some confidence/winning sessions together.
Played for about 1hr 30 mins of 6tabling 4NL again tonight, and made a profit of £13.72. A nice profit but shame it wasn't slightly bigger thanks to a couple of hands at the end. I had a guy on my table who was just open shoving any old junk for like 30-40xBB, I snapped him off twice, AK v KT and AQ v A8 and lost both of them... sigh
But hey can't complain at winning just over 3BIs in 1hr 30 mins. Just pennies short of the £200 mark again.
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Sometimes I'll think, that guy just got so luck and it's not untill I look through the HH I tink omg I played it so bad.
just run through you HH's and be honest with yourself, forget everyone else on here and be true to yourself
if your happy that you played good then no problem, siht happens.
If your in doubt then ask someone else to look over your hands.
you can win it back - I do D
@IDCU - Just sigh lol.
@Gary - Cheers, yeah I have more confidence in my ability than I think I've ever had, even despite how confidence damaging downswings like this can be. I don't doubt for a second that with a bit of time and effort, I'll be back to where I was before long.
@Pipunch - Well we'll have to see, but fingers crossed this run aint gonna continue, so I won't have to worry about it.
@Splashies - Cheers mate. Don't worry, I know I'll get it back. At times it's given my confidence a bashing but I know I'm good enough to win it all back and more.
@Rancid - Yeah I know what you mean. The selective memory happens to me all the time during the session, but I always look through my HHs from every session and try to be very honest with myself. I've no problem with admitting that during this period I've lost some money down to spewing and just pure donkey style play, but it is definitely the cause of the minority of my losses, and not the majority. The hands I have lost through bad play, there's literally no point posting in the clinic cos I already know where I went wrong. I'd be grateful if you had a quick peek at the hands in the two links I posted above and see if you think any of them actually aren't coolers or bad bad beats
@NColley - Yeah it is certainly alarming, and it definitely isn't all variance, but I can honestly say that I think a massive majority of it is variance. I know what your saying about table selection, although at 8NL you literally are lucky if there are 6 tables running so every single time I play I'm on every table running so no real option for table selection other than to play some 4NL instead or only play 2-3 tables. Both of these are options, and maybe ones I should have taken but that did only contribute to a very small amount of the losses.
The QT v Liamboi - I flat the 3bet pre cos I know he will 3bet me when I raise from the SB with a VERY wide range. I did C/C the flop with the intention of making a move a turn and knowing that as a back-up I was very likely to be good if I hit either of my 2 others or the GS. You probably have a point abuot just calling as appose to c/r allin but I think with the dynamic there's plenty of hands he'll call with that I beat.
you're easily better than 99% of the people on micros cause at least you try to think about the game
i'm not the greatest player but i make 90% of my money by playing people that are worse than me. on this site it's pretty much every table but on some others i have to table select really carefully otherwise i get put in spots i can't handle
Even as big a BR nit as I am, I'd have probably been better playing 10NL where there's like 20 tables going at night rather than 8NL and surrounded by nits on a handful of tables.
I never was good at table selection, but when I come back after the weekend, will deffo be paying more attention to whose on the table first.
Was a nice break on the weekend, and great to meet a few new faces like EvilPingu, Bearlyther and Macapaca to name a few. I didn't play the ME, but I did play their turbo tourney on the Saturday night, was really happy with how I played but only managed 40th out of 128. I find it so much easier to figure out people's 'image' live than I do online, and apart from 1 or 2 players it was a super tight table so I was really bullying once the antes got involved. Did have someone have a go at me (I just lol'd) because it came to me unopened on the button, I've got like 11,000, and it's 600/1200/100 so nearly 3k in the middle already, I jam 96o, BB dwells for ages then calls with AK lol and flop comes 66x, nice double up there. But god it's SO much easier to accumlate chips with antes!!
Anyways, I've took all your advice on board and also got some good advice from Ryan at DTD too so cheers for that. I've got the roll, the confidence and the skill to build my roll back up so I'm still more than happy with my situation. After all, it only took me about 8 weeks to go from £170 to £350, so it's no biggie.
I'll be playing mostly 4NL and the 5p/5p action tables at the moment, but just going where the good games are from now on (as long as they're within my roll). Played my first session since my -10BI session and glad to say I made a profit even if it wasn't huge. I played 4x 5p/5p and 2x 4NL for 2 hours and made £9.80
Hands Played: 39,156
Bankroll: £202.36
Profit/Loss: -£9.67
Poker Points: 923 (£7.38)
So a good start to come back to which is always nice. Should probably cross the 1k C4P next session, obviously not considering the cash promo any more but want entry to the 5k freeroll, and I won't say no to a few free BIs at the end of the month (probably gonna get about £20 C4P me thinks)
What a donkey, both for losing 5BIs (was playing most 5p/5p) and for miscalculating so badly lol. I really don't know how I made that much of a loss but them's the facts
Hands Played: 40,836
Bankroll: £176.14
Profit/Loss: -£35.89
Poker Points: 1015 (£10.15)
Really frustrating to have made a big loss and not even realise it lol... only upside is that I got over the 1000 points mark so I got entry to the 5k freeroll... just need to bink in that to get my losses back
Oh well, roll on next session!
Just a short session for me tonight, about 1hr 30 mins of 6tabling 4NL. No I didn't just lock up a profit, I've just got other stuff to do tonight. Made a £9.76 profit, so some of last night's losses back. Gonna be sticking round the 4NL tables til i get some confidence/winning sessions together.
Hands Played: 41,556
Bankroll: £185.90
Profit/Loss: -£26.13
Poker Points: 1040 (£10.40)
But hey can't complain at winning just over 3BIs in 1hr 30 mins. Just pennies short of the £200 mark again.
Hands Played: 42,276
Bankroll: £199.62
Profit/Loss: -£12.41
Poker Points: 1066 (£10.66)
Poker points are going up depressingly slow nowadays but that's low on the list of priorities atm and at leat I've already made £10+