@Mike - Yeah I know what you mean, I'll have to find some way to work satellites into my spreadsheet. Might do it similar to SS in that winning a £10 sat into a £50 games shows a +£40 profit, then just enter the £50 MTT on a seperate line, not sure yet, but I sure do love my spreadsheets To be honest, I have very little regard for my tournament life, arguably I have too little regard for it, but I'm certainly not afraid to take certain spots if it can give me a chance to go deep for fear of busting out and missing out on a min cash. Min cashes, don't mean anything imo. @SighCall - A good suggestion but just probably doesn't fit well for me. Personally if withdrew £500 and dropped back to a £1k roll, I wouldn't be loving life playing 30NL, I'd probably be comfortable at first but 1 big losing session could end all that, and I don't wanna have to move down when I can beat 30NL and don't really need to. I'm going to have this roll up to £2.5k and be playing 50NL before the year is out (probably before the summer is finished imo) and withdrawing £500 would just slow that progress down. Also, my interests are very cheap in life. If someone gave me £500, I wouldn't know what to spend it on anyway. All of my hobbies are very cheap ones... I can get weeks out of a book for £5, weeks (at least) out of an Xbox gave for £15-£20 etc. I don't really go out drinking ever. The only thing I need/want is a new decent phone but I'm a life nit and it would be like a dagger in my heart to spend £300+ on the phone. Posted by Lambert180
Yeh i compoletly understand your point, my thing is that when will u ever witdraw. Mabye at NL50 but then you will probabaly just be keen to make it to NL100 and so on?
I suppose if you have nothing to spend the money on u may aswell. GL anyway and im sure ull make it. Ive been playing a few NL30 so might c u on the tables
I'll be withdrawing once I have a strong sustainable BR for 100NL that can handle regular withdrawals.
If I go and bink the Primo for £3k or something then I'd probably withdraw some, treat Emma etc, get myself that phone and use the rest for roll building.
F000K the primo bink its the sunday roller bink Posted by IDONKCALLU
Lol well yeah, if I bink that, I can pretty much just skip out 50NL
Just need to get in now, which would be a miracle seen as I aint played any sats for it I did say I was gonna play this month's roller when I seen it on last month... so we'll see.
Hi Paul, you seem to be doing really well at the minute, well done. Just read your recent posts about not withdrawing. One of the positive sides of regularly withdrawing is that it ensures you play enough hands at a certain level to gain the experience to go up a level. I know so many players who never withdraw, move up a level or two, then spu off their bankroll at the higher level, with nothing to show for it. At least if you do withdraw, you'd have money set aside for if you went on a massive downswing. Personally, for every time I increase my bankroll by 1000 BB's I withdraw 500, so for example, playing 10nl with a starting BR of £250 I withdraw £50 at £350 (BRnow£300), £50 at £400 (BR=£350) £50 at £450 (Br=£400)etc until I reach whatever minimum number of full buy ins I set for the next level. Hope this gives you a little food for thought
Thanks for the advice Lisa, although I'm very nitty with my BRM which comes with the side effect of having to play lots at a given level. For instance, I started 30NL at around £1000 and I'm not moving up until I get to £2500, so that's 50 BIs. I'm probably not gonna do that without playing at least 50,000 hands at the level. FWIW, I've already played 25,000 hands at 30NL and have only got from £1k to £1.5k.
I also won't be spewing off my whole BR at higher levels. If I play £50 and either can't win or just go on a bad run, and say drop from £2500 down to £1500, I'll just drop down to 30NL again. Having said that, it's not such a bad idea withdrawing some money every now and then, I do have a seperate bank account which I use for poker money when I'm transferring money between sites etc. I've been thinking of withdrawing bits and bobs to give myself a bit of a live roll, so that I can play live cash without it actually coming out of my bank.
Played 4 tables of 4NL earlier today because I was letting someone watch me play (screen sharing) to try to help them out. I was really helpful in showing them how to lose £5 in an hour
Then I played a £12 Super Roller sat but didn't get my seat.
Finished the night off back at 30NL, played 6 tables for I think about 2 hours. Some ups and downs, coolered KKkripler getting it in KK v QQ, then I managed to get it in pre against him again 88 v AA, I flopped a FD and spiked the 8 on the turn. Although I did probably needlessly gift him a BI when I figured he didn't HAVE to have it on a K-high board and he had KK lol... I did have a GS when it went in, but no bad beat for him this time.
Anyway, finished about +£5 which leaves me slightly down for the day.
I get the whole don`t withdraw so its quicker to move up stakes but if your good enough(which u are) you get there anyways it`s not a rush imo.
also I like what some others have said with regards to withdrawing money so you got something to show for your hardwork.
Me personally I withdraw every month to treat myself and the family or even if a need to pay a bill like take car to garage or just anything I need really.I don`t withdrew a big percentage prob around 25%+ and im more than rolled enough to play 20/30nl so bankroll still increases each month but just little slower but as I said i`m no rush to move up to 40/50nl
also I need a new phone lol but i`m same grudge paying £300+ when that money go get spent on my son or mrs
I've mentioned before that in my opinion poker is more enjoyable if we are treating ourselves to things we wouldn't normally buy from time to time. I understand though, that we're all different and I can see your reasons for rarely withdrawing.
You might need to rethink playing live cash though.
Never played a cash game lower than 50/1 and like you, I'll always sit with the max, £200.
So unless its for a rare shot, you're going to be massively under rolled.
Games are definatley easier though live. Can just take a little bit of time adjusting to the swings.
I played a couple of nights ago and standard was awful. Still managed to be down 300 after 45 mins.
Ground out a £280 win in the end which was great but could easily have gone the other way.
Yeah I am aware I'd be massively under-rolled to play live cash but am happy to take a few 'shots' at first. I know the games are supposed to be very soft, but poker is a swingy game.... 4NL is very soft but I still lost a BI when I played it the other day.
Also, I always aim to make my money from beating the games and not just grinding rakeback, so I see that as a bonus and am considering just withdrawing whatever I make from that every month. If I get off my backside and actually put some time in, think I cuold make about £300 per month in C4P so that would gimme a few shots at 50/1 or 1/1, hopefully rungood at the start
Tonight was another night of mostly MTTs and another night (mostly) of just pure brutal variance.
Can't remember them all and it's getting pretty boring for me (and for you, no doubt) me listing them all but the only one I remember it getting it in pre in a £5 BH AQ v AJ and them spiking the J to bust me.
Played another £22.80 worth of roller sats with no success. A £2.30 BH, £5.75 BH, £5.50 Deepstack, £2.20 Speed Rebuy (£6.60 total), £5.50 Velocity and a £3 all in sat, where again I FT'd and came 6th with 2 seats paying.... think 2nd place must be given at random on the FT of them which is pretty annoying cos I've FT'd 2 with 2 places paid and been given 6th both times, but meh it's all just a random gamble innit.
Bust all of them without getting anything vaguely close to a cash (or a head).
Had basically given up for the night, then I decided to take one more shot and late reg (only 5 mins late) the £1,000 GTD, £11 BH. It got 134 runners in the end, and I managed to finally bag my first cash in what must be 3-4 weeks. Finished up 9th with 4 heads for a small profit.
So in total that was a loss of £22.73 on MTTs for the day but an improvement on what was -£60 before I regged that last game.
Lambert18009£19.09 + £20.63 Head Prizes4 Pretty sigh how I got knocked out, and kinda sums up how I've been running recently but gotta be happy to get anywhere near a FT the way things have been going.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
Buzzzzzzzi
Small blind
600.00
600.00
29110.00
SHO147
Big blind
1200.00
1800.00
14705.00
Your hole cards
Q
Q
whostheman
Fold
Lambert180
Raise
2400.00
4200.00
16448.50
Buzzzzzzzi
All-in
29110.00
33310.00
0.00
SHO147
Fold
Lambert180
All-in
16448.50
49758.50
0.00
Buzzzzzzzi
Unmatched bet
10861.50
38897.00
10861.50
Buzzzzzzzi
Show
4
A
Lambert180
Show
Q
Q
Flop
A
7
8
Turn
J
River
7
Buzzzzzzzi
Win
Two Pairs, Aces and 7s
38897.00
49758.50
Hold there and I think I'm chip leader and cruising into the FT
While I was playing that I decided to play some cash from midnight onwards to get a few points going for the cash promo. I can't put the time or tables in to compete or have any chance of winning it but I might be able to get a top 20 for a free £50. If I do, great, if not, no biggie, I'm not pushing for it.
So I 3tabled for 1hr 30 mins alongside the £11 BH and made £21.04 which leaves me virtually break even for the day.
Yeah, shocked he was shoving that light to be honest, not insulting the play, just didn't think he'd been shoving that wide.
Yeah DTM has already won the promo, everyone else is just playing for 2nd place, and I know a lad who has decided to start 12 tabling 4NL for the weekend, so that's probably another top 5 place locked up.
Too many people that have way more spare time on their hands than me so not much point bothering.
Yeah, shocked he was shoving that light to be honest, not insulting the play, just didn't think he'd been shoving that wide. Yeah DTM has already won the promo, everyone else is just playing for 2nd place, and I know a lad who has decided to start 12 tabling 4NL for the weekend, so that's probably another top 5 place locked up. Too many people that have way more spare time on their hands than me so not much point bothering. =================================================================================== Gonna be sharing some philosophical input, a few interesting facts and maybe the odd fable over the next few days/weeks. Posted by Lambert180
i think i know who you are on about, dont want to put a dampner on it for you but they aint the only one adopting that if last nights evidence is anything to go by
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 20NL to 50NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 50NL by the end of 2013 ----- : i think i know who you are on about, dont want to put a dampner on it for you but they aint the only one adopting that if last nights evidence is anything to go by Posted by TINTIN
Yeah I know. He's already told me the names of a couple of other regs that dropped down and are doing the same. That's why I just CBA, aint got inclination to just throw away 4 days of my life, playing poker that's no where near as much of a winning game as I normally play, on twice as many tables as I normally do, and at tiny stakes compared to normal, all to win about 3 BIs for my current level.
The loose, passive folk at 4NL won't know what's hit them this weekend! All you lot are gonna bust every micro player on the site
It's funny that people are dropping at nl4 for this promo, just shows how rakeback orientated some players are.
I don't know the names of the players who are doing this but they must be losing players at their usual level, you don't get extra points for playing nl4 throughout this promo, so why not just stay at your usual level?
If their usual level is 20/30nl even top prize is only 10-15 buyins.
Grinding hard for 4 days any winning player at 20/30nl would expect to make about 10-15 buyins through profit, on top of the promotion (and more normal rakeback through extra points).
Why would they sacrifice their profit & rakeback for a bonus, when the profit is more than the bonus and/or they could have both/all 3!
I tried playing 8-10 tables most i`ve ever played at one time for around 4 hours today playin 4nl and lost £6 lol and like yous have said don`t think its worth it now felt like robot and was not playing proper.
also im not a big grinder anyways like play 2-4hrs a day tops and usually when playin and running well make a few bi`s a day playin my normal level.
It's funny that people are dropping at nl4 for this promo, just shows how rakeback orientated some players are. I don't know the names of the players who are doing this but they must be losing players at their usual level, you don't get extra points for playing nl4 throughout this promo, so why not just stay at your usual level? If their usual level is 20/30nl even top prize is only 10-15 buyins. Grinding hard for 4 days any winning player at 20/30nl would expect to make about 10-15 buyins through profit, on top of the promotion (and more normal rakeback through extra points). Why would they sacrifice their profit & rakeback for a bonus, when the profit is more than the bonus and/or they could have both/all 3! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Posted by DOHHHHHHH
if you binked the roller lambert would you jump right into nl100 or still wait til you have beat nl30 and 50? i think this is why i cnt win at cash because i havent worked my way threw the levels, i just jump straight in because ive got a decent roll!
Interesting one Rock, I was thinking about that the other day when Donk said something similar. I'm not sure exactly what I'd do. One thing is for sure, if I win £8k then it's not all staying in Sky!! I'd probably take a bit out, treat the girlfriend/kids etc, treat myself, but I'd probably leave like 6.5k in here to add to my 1.5k now.
So I'd have 8k total and probably start playing 50NL for a bit, just see how I get on and get used to the games and flipping for larger amounts of money etc, but providing things went ok for a month or two, I'd probably give 100NL a go.
WP on your FT last night in the £11r btw, love the structure of that game, one of (if not THE) best MTT on Sky.
Interesting one Rock, I was thinking about that the other day when Donk said something similar. I'm not sure exactly what I'd do. One thing is for sure, if I win £8k then it's not all staying in Sky!! I'd probably take a bit out, treat the girlfriend/kids etc, treat myself, but I'd probably leave like 6.5k in here to add to my 1.5k now. So I'd have 8k total and probably start playing 50NL for a bit, just see how I get on and get used to the games and flipping for larger amounts of money etc, but providing things went ok for a month or two, I'd probably give 100NL a go. WP on your FT last night in the £11r btw, love the structure of that game, one of (if not THE) best MTT on Sky. Posted by Lambert180
i cheers, def the best structure by far, im a night owl to so it dosent bother me how late it goes!
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 20NL to 50NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 50NL by the end of 2013 ----- : i cheers, def the best structure by far, im a night owl to so it dosent bother me how late it goes! Posted by THEROCK573
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If I go and bink the Primo for £3k or something then I'd probably withdraw some, treat Emma etc, get myself that phone
Just need to get in now, which would be a miracle seen as I aint played any sats for it
I also won't be spewing off my whole BR at higher levels. If I play £50 and either can't win or just go on a bad run, and say drop from £2500 down to £1500, I'll just drop down to 30NL again. Having said that, it's not such a bad idea withdrawing some money every now and then, I do have a seperate bank account which I use for poker money when I'm transferring money between sites etc. I've been thinking of withdrawing bits and bobs to give myself a bit of a live roll, so that I can play live cash without it actually coming out of my bank.
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Update time...
Played 4 tables of 4NL earlier today because I was letting someone watch me play (screen sharing) to try to help them out. I was really helpful in showing them how to lose £5 in an hour
Then I played a £12 Super Roller sat but didn't get my seat.
Finished the night off back at 30NL, played 6 tables for I think about 2 hours. Some ups and downs, coolered KKkripler getting it in KK v QQ, then I managed to get it in pre against him again 88 v AA, I flopped a FD and spiked the 8 on the turn. Although I did probably needlessly gift him a BI when I figured he didn't HAVE to have it on a K-high board and he had KK lol... I did have a GS when it went in, but no bad beat for him this time.
Anyway, finished about +£5 which leaves me slightly down for the day.
Bankroll: £1,474.70
Poker Points: 1850 (£18.50)
Also, I always aim to make my money from beating the games and not just grinding rakeback, so I see that as a bonus and am considering just withdrawing whatever I make from that every month. If I get off my backside and actually put some time in, think I cuold make about £300 per month in C4P so that would gimme a few shots at 50/1 or 1/1, hopefully rungood at the start
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Tonight was another night of mostly MTTs and another night (mostly) of just pure brutal variance.
Can't remember them all and it's getting pretty boring for me (and for you, no doubt) me listing them all but the only one I remember it getting it in pre in a £5 BH AQ v AJ and them spiking the J to bust me.
Played another £22.80 worth of roller sats with no success.
A £2.30 BH, £5.75 BH, £5.50 Deepstack, £2.20 Speed Rebuy (£6.60 total), £5.50 Velocity and a £3 all in sat, where again I FT'd and came 6th with 2 seats paying.... think 2nd place must be given at random on the FT of them which is pretty annoying cos I've FT'd 2 with 2 places paid and been given 6th both times, but meh it's all just a random gamble innit.
Bust all of them without getting anything vaguely close to a cash (or a head).
Had basically given up for the night, then I decided to take one more shot and late reg (only 5 mins late) the £1,000 GTD, £11 BH. It got 134 runners in the end, and I managed to finally bag my first cash in what must be 3-4 weeks. Finished up 9th with 4 heads for a small profit.
So in total that was a loss of £22.73 on MTTs for the day but an improvement on what was -£60 before I regged that last game.
Lambert18009£19.09 + £20.63 Head Prizes4
Pretty sigh how I got knocked out, and kinda sums up how I've been running recently but gotta be happy to get anywhere near a FT the way things have been going.
While I was playing that I decided to play some cash from midnight onwards to get a few points going for the cash promo. I can't put the time or tables in to compete or have any chance of winning it but I might be able to get a top 20 for a free £50. If I do, great, if not, no biggie, I'm not pushing for it.
So I 3tabled for 1hr 30 mins alongside the £11 BH and made £21.04 which leaves me virtually break even for the day.
Bankroll: £1,471.81
Poker Points: 1951 (£19.51)
I thought i would get a lil head start on the promo tonight aswell but just realized i didn't put the code in haha
DTM 17 tabling now aswell so probably has it locked up by the morning ha.
Yeah DTM has already won the promo, everyone else is just playing for 2nd place, and I know a lad who has decided to start 12 tabling 4NL for the weekend, so that's probably another top 5 place locked up.
Too many people that have way more spare time on their hands than me so not much point bothering.
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Gonna be sharing some philosophical input, a few interesting facts and maybe the odd fable over the next few days/weeks.
The loose, passive folk at 4NL won't know what's hit them this weekend! All you lot are gonna bust every micro player on the site
My thoughts exactly mate.
So I'd have 8k total and probably start playing 50NL for a bit, just see how I get on and get used to the games and flipping for larger amounts of money etc, but providing things went ok for a month or two, I'd probably give 100NL a go.
WP on your FT last night in the £11r btw, love the structure of that game, one of (if not THE) best MTT on Sky.