Well yeah I did think this myself last night Donald, about the fact other sites offer 1p/2p. I know sites I used to play on that also used to offer $0.01/$0.02 which is obviously the equivelent of 0.5p/1p.
Not saying Sky could offer this, just making the point that once you deposit on a poker site, in reality it stops being actual money and is essentially a set number of BIs for any given level. So someone who puts £20 on sky to learn and play DYMs, gets about 30BIs at the 60p level. Whereas someone who deposits £20 on another site (not in £) would get about $40 and could play games easily as low as $0.30 and so suddenly has 130BIs which is a pretty enormous difference.
Obviously they're playing lower stakes but most rec players couldn't care less, it's just a case of 'how many goes can I have for my money'. I'm not complaining about this mindset, I think it's fine, if you're not in it for the money, you just want as much value as possible, and as many chances to play the game you love for as cheap as possible. Getting rid of this level does nothing short of forcing players to play higher if they want to play the game.
I play 30p DYMs, but not all the time. I also play higher levels even £11 if in the mood. I do however, use the 30p games when my confidence takes a dive or to get over tilt from bad beats. Without them the Garden gets my attention.?
I am a small bankroll rec who often played 30p dym's not to make money but because you new at worst it's 30p and you could get a game at any time.I've seen a few people on this and other threads referring to them as bingo games,when did you last play them?I admit there where still the odd all-in gamblers but there are at all levels.Most games went to blind level 7+ and there might be the problem.Most games running 35 mins + because people have learned how to play the games even the micro's.
Well yeah I did think this myself last night Donald, about the fact other sites offer 1p/2p. I know sites I used to play on that also used to offer $0.01/$0.02 which is obviously the equivelent of 0.5p/1p. Not saying Sky could offer this, just making the point that once you deposit on a poker site, in reality it stops being actual money and is essentially a set number of BIs for any given level. So someone who puts £20 on sky to learn and play DYMs, gets about 30BIs at the 60p level. Whereas someone who deposits £20 on another site (not in £) would get about $40 and could play games easily as low as $0.30 and so suddenly has 130BIs which is a pretty enormous difference. Obviously they're playing lower stakes but most rec players couldn't care less, it's just a case of 'how many goes can I have for my money'. I'm not complaining about this mindset, I think it's fine, if you're not in it for the money, you just want as much value as possible, and as many chances to play the game you love for as cheap as possible. Getting rid of this level does nothing short of forcing players to play higher if they want to play the game. Posted by Lambert180
Indeed Paul. I imagine you an Emma discuss what games your both playing and offering eachother advice even though you both play for fun - although i i imagine slight profit too. I know i do with Mel. I actually recently suggested moving to 60p dyms and at first she done ok. But a slight bit of variance i said to her to move back down. At that point sky removed the 30p dyms.
Im not any genuis but she said to me she wants to play cash, she said it looks more fun, but 4BIs just isnt enough. What i can say in mels favour is she has never deposited. Now i dont know if this can effect my arguement slightly, as obviously sky have gave her loads with tourny tickets and new player freerolls as a welcome bonus. But is that really why people play?
Look Sky Poker, you dont make many mistakes but this is definately one of them. Its obviously all about money and getting people to play larger stakes. I agree with all the points made above regarding this decision and Sky really do need to have a rethink.
Your reasons do not stack up and the sneaky way it was done without notice and then closing the thread was all handled poorly.
Ive just pposted about how great Sky Poker is being a true British site and true British values cater for all, so 30p DYM's back please Sky !!
I agree with the above post of JPW33, in regards with the handling of this issue and the closure of the last thread. I'll reiterate (my last post) that if this is the mentality and reasoning of closing this game due to lack of demand then by your own logic you should close many of the high buy in games that do not run (facetious for the win) . I enjoyed these games very much and hope this decision is reconsidered.
I would hope you adjust the REG fee's on DYM's also, that maybe the sun stroke typing.
Well yeah I did think this myself last night Donald, about the fact other sites offer 1p/2p. I know sites I used to play on that also used to offer $0.01/$0.02 which is obviously the equivelent of 0.5p/1p. Not saying Sky could offer this, just making the point that once you deposit on a poker site, in reality it stops being actual money and is essentially a set number of BIs for any given level. So someone who puts £20 on sky to learn and play DYMs, gets about 30BIs at the 60p level. Whereas someone who deposits £20 on another site (not in £) would get about $40 and could play games easily as low as $0.30 and so suddenly has 130BIs which is a pretty enormous difference. Obviously they're playing lower stakes but most rec players couldn't care less, it's just a case of 'how many goes can I have for my money'. I'm not complaining about this mindset, I think it's fine, if you're not in it for the money, you just want as much value as possible, and as many chances to play the game you love for as cheap as possible. Getting rid of this level does nothing short of forcing players to play higher if they want to play the game. Posted by Lambert180
I am a small bankroll rec who often played 30p dym's not to make money but because you new at worst it's 30p and you could get a game at any time. I've seen a few people on this and other threads referring to them as bingo games,when did you last play them?I admit there where still the odd all-in gamblers but there are at all levels.Most games went to blind level 7+ and there might be the problem.Most games running 35 mins + because people have learned how to play the games even the micro's. Posted by belsibub
Well, upon reflection, and because of the passion and outrage on this and other threads on the subject, I have changed my mind. I still think they were a waste of space in poker and profit terms, but that seems to be beside the point here. Not many changes have resulted in players threatening to leave the site, and I hope Sky poker recognizes this fact and reconsiders it's decision.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : Profman i dont think however if we take people who have a BR like myself and yourself, many people who are new to poker they deposit a fiver to learn. Some people dont even do this they accept the welcome bonus' and enjoy what they can to learn. A small cash with any of the tokens they get or the new player freeroll would easily allow for learning at 30p dyms. I doupt it would comfortably allow for them learning at 60p dyms. If you consider most sites also offer a 0.01/0.02p level of cash which again isnt offered on sky, to be comfortable playing within a bankroll on sky you really need £40 ok thats maybe abit much for 60p dyms, but really is it? If your learning a doupt it. Again for NL4 10BIs is very small so you could say you want £80 for cash. Maybe £30 for dyms and mtyts obv the highest variance so we need more anyways but the lowest level any decent structure comes in regular is £2.20 (£1.10 ones do run but not on a regular enough basis) and obviously the 60p mtts are well just crayze and designed for 5 minutes fun rather than a tourny to win. I posted in 2 places yesterday regards to this and as yet no reply but i really believe if your a low br player on sky, your fighting with very few buy ins and even worse your fighting with very high rake. So few BI's v high rake makes it difficut for anyone. I dont care how good they are, its going to be hard. Posted by The_Don90
well i have turn that 5 quid in to thousands form starting at that level so to get rid of it is mad BAD MOVE SKY and they are deffo not luck box games just very hard coz of rake on them
Look Sky Poker, you dont make many mistakes but this is definately one of them. Its obviously all about money and getting people to play larger stakes.
if you take into account how much it will cost and how many games you can play at the 60p level it aint many if your on a budget or just starting out and coming to the site for the first time. Imagine im a new player just come to skypoker and its a scary prospect playing for real money, im inexperienced and its gonna take me a while to get into the swing of things and make money against regular players so i only depostite £6. I lose 10 times and thats it im gone never coming back to sky poker again! shame sky arnt thinking that way because they will lose a lot of new trade coming to the site i reckon.
60p buyin level # 30 BIs will cost you £18 (this is min you will need to get anywhere and progress) # 10 BIs will cost you £6 (this you aint really got a chance and prob wont stay or reload)
30p buyin level # 60 BIs will cost you £18 (this is plenty and will last you a good while and keep traffic on the site) # 20 BIs will cost you £6 (this you still can enjoy poker and good taste and feel for the site, keeping you here and if you like it and lose the lot your more likely to reload because you had fun for the right amount of time)
The whole object i would have thought would be to get new players on skypoker and give them a chance to learn or progress without them having to break the bank, taking the 30p level makes a huge diffence to this imo
Not a game I play any more, once I realised just how much rake I was paying, that said though I have to back what many have said about these being useful to recreational players or those on a strict budget or those looking to improve and learn the game. So good luck in your campaign people, should get one those online petition things going, 100,000 signatures and it has to be debated on a Parliamentary basis.. I say go for it !
A very disappointing decision by Sky Poker. 30p dyms are obviously popular,as the tables always filled up quickly and, judging by the number of different names I came across, a large number of players agree. As founder and sole member of team LMS (Lose Money Slowly) I shall miss them badly. Think again Sky, we small stakes players deserve some consideration.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : well i have turn that 5 quid in to thousands form starting at that level so to get rid of it is mad BAD MOVE SKY and they are deffo not luck box games just very hard coz of rake on them Posted by rob12345
im not saying its impossible just hard. as proven by urself and i believe my partner was in the process of doing it is possible. She had a small bad run upon moving up to 60ps so we discussed moving down and i log onto the forums to find out their gone.
Even the amount of players that play them to let out frustration aswell.
I've been thinking about this thread a bit. I only caught a bit of the first thread, that being the beginning so i cannot comment on most of that.
From a personal point of view I feel a bit funny about the 30pers being taken away. For those of you that don't know I'm normally registered for every DYM £55-£220 most evenings. The £165 and £220 very rarely run and sadly the £110 ones have ran a lot less lately. I really want them to remain because when the DYM player pool does increase, and with the growth of SkyPoker I truly believe it will, the bigger bankroll players will want games in the three figure category.
As, rightly or wrongly, I feel I have an edge in the DYMs, I'd quite like them to stay for the possible future player pool. If they went I would be quite disappointed but I can hardly complain if they went when the 30pers which were running a lot more than these were taken away. Therefore I feel the need to support everyone who has posted requesting the 30p DYMs return. There is clearly a playerpool for it, as seen by this thread. Personally with the rake I don't think they are beatable over a decent sample (1000+) unless you run like a red hot thing, but while there is interest there is point. And not everyone plays poker just for money, thankfully most people still play for fun.
To make my spot a little more complicated I'm also a Mod. As such I would request everyone keep the debate respectful and no one individual 'over do it' by just repeating the same points, which would essentially be spamming. So far I feel the thread is perfectly fine, but if it deteriorates (Friday night is coming, always an interesting night for a Mod) I'll shut it myself. So please keep the debate fresh, respectful and intelligent as it has been.
I've been thinking about this thread a bit. I only caught a bit of the first thread, that being the beginning so i cannot comment on most of that. From a personal point of view I feel a bit funny about the 30pers being taken away. For those of you that don't know I'm normally registered for every DYM £55-£220 most evenings. The £165 and £220 very rarely run and sadly the £110 ones have ran a lot less lately. I really want them to remain because when the DYM player pool does increase, and with the growth of SkyPoker I truly believe it will, the bigger bankroll players will want games in the three figure category. As, rightly or wrongly, I feel I have an edge in the DYMs, I'd quite like them to stay for the possible future player pool. If they went I would be quite disappointed but I can hardly complain if they went when the 30pers which were running a lot more than these were taken away. Therefore I feel the need to support everyone who has posted requesting the 30p DYMs return. There is clearly a playerpool for it, as seen by this thread. Personally with the rake I don't think they are beatable over a decent sample (1000+) unless you run like a red hot thing, but while there is interest there is point. And not everyone plays poker just for money, thankfully most people still play for fun. To make my spot a little more complicated I'm also a Mod. As such I would request everyone keep the debate respectful and no one individual 'over do it' by just repeating the same points, which would essentially be spamming. So far I feel the thread is perfectly fine, but if it deteriorates (Friday night is coming, always an interesting night for a Mod) I'll shut it myself. So please keep the debate fresh, respectful and intelligent as it has been. Posted by TommyD
I might be wrong tommy and im not going to say this is the case but 30p dyms for each one that runs sky make 30p for ever £220 Sky make £120. Now im no mathemathical expert as i should be (tutuor hint please) but by my calculators maths that means the 30p games require to play 400 games just to match. So even if only 1 £220 game runs per day (i dnt know how many do, well outa my BR and game type) its probably profitable. Where as 400 30p games probably is abit unrealistic no matter how strong the player pool is.
Its disappointing to say the least i have no other comments. I think my opinion has been expressed.
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Not saying Sky could offer this, just making the point that once you deposit on a poker site, in reality it stops being actual money and is essentially a set number of BIs for any given level. So someone who puts £20 on sky to learn and play DYMs, gets about 30BIs at the 60p level. Whereas someone who deposits £20 on another site (not in £) would get about $40 and could play games easily as low as $0.30 and so suddenly has 130BIs which is a pretty enormous difference.
Obviously they're playing lower stakes but most rec players couldn't care less, it's just a case of 'how many goes can I have for my money'. I'm not complaining about this mindset, I think it's fine, if you're not in it for the money, you just want as much value as possible, and as many chances to play the game you love for as cheap as possible. Getting rid of this level does nothing short of forcing players to play higher if they want to play the game.
Im not any genuis but she said to me she wants to play cash, she said it looks more fun, but 4BIs just isnt enough. What i can say in mels favour is she has never deposited. Now i dont know if this can effect my arguement slightly, as obviously sky have gave her loads with tourny tickets and new player freerolls as a welcome bonus. But is that really why people play?
Your reasons do not stack up and the sneaky way it was done without notice and then closing the thread was all handled poorly.
Ive just pposted about how great Sky Poker is being a true British site and true British values cater for all, so 30p DYM's back please Sky !!
well i have turn that 5 quid in to thousands form starting at that level so to get rid of it is mad BAD MOVE SKY
and they are deffo not luck box games just very hard coz of rake on them
60p buyin level
# 30 BIs will cost you £18 (this is min you will need to get anywhere and progress)
# 10 BIs will cost you £6 (this you aint really got a chance and prob wont stay or reload)
30p buyin level
# 60 BIs will cost you £18 (this is plenty and will last you a good while and keep traffic on the site)
# 20 BIs will cost you £6 (this you still can enjoy poker and good taste and feel for the site, keeping you here and if you like it and lose the lot your more likely to reload because you had fun for the right amount of time)
The whole object i would have thought would be to get new players on skypoker and give them a chance to learn or progress without them having to break the bank, taking the 30p level makes a huge diffence to this imo
Even the amount of players that play them to let out frustration aswell.
From a personal point of view I feel a bit funny about the 30pers being taken away. For those of you that don't know I'm normally registered for every DYM £55-£220 most evenings. The £165 and £220 very rarely run and sadly the £110 ones have ran a lot less lately. I really want them to remain because when the DYM player pool does increase, and with the growth of SkyPoker I truly believe it will, the bigger bankroll players will want games in the three figure category.
As, rightly or wrongly, I feel I have an edge in the DYMs, I'd quite like them to stay for the possible future player pool. If they went I would be quite disappointed but I can hardly complain if they went when the 30pers which were running a lot more than these were taken away. Therefore I feel the need to support everyone who has posted requesting the 30p DYMs return. There is clearly a playerpool for it, as seen by this thread. Personally with the rake I don't think they are beatable over a decent sample (1000+) unless you run like a red hot thing, but while there is interest there is point. And not everyone plays poker just for money, thankfully most people still play for fun.
To make my spot a little more complicated I'm also a Mod. As such I would request everyone keep the debate respectful and no one individual 'over do it' by just repeating the same points, which would essentially be spamming. So far I feel the thread is perfectly fine, but if it deteriorates (Friday night is coming, always an interesting night for a Mod) I'll shut it myself. So please keep the debate fresh, respectful and intelligent as it has been.
Its disappointing to say the least i have no other comments. I think my opinion has been expressed.