If Skypoker were seen to be reversing decisions because of the wishes of it's micro stakes players, where would that lead us eh?---- not into temptation anyway!
If Skypoker were seen to be reversing decisions because of the wishes of it's micro stakes players, where would that lead us eh?---- not into temptation anyway! Posted by oynutter
You made the Mistake by starting Smoking.? Ignore the advice you are given ....... reap the consequences. ?
If they come back, can we have 10% rake, can we have 10% rake on all games maximum ? I for one would gladly grind a load of DYMs alongside my low stake MTTs that I play if I didnt have to beat 15 and 20% rakes before I made a profit. Not sure what others think but if we are looking at this from a business perspective would that not make sense? I could be wrong and often am but I think if it was given a go, perhaps that 10% rake would entice enough extra players to offset those like me who wont grind a load of games where the rake makes it very difficult to make a profit.
Here's a little play I wrote for you---- It's set in England, just before the launch of Sky vegas--
Scene 1--- Big bedroom, very posh--- Mr big boss Sky man yawns as he is woken by his wife---
Mrs Sky-- "good morning dear-- You'll never guess what just happened-- I went to buy you a new ferrari this morning, so I checked our bank account first, and found out we have loads of money!!
Mr sky--- "That's right darling, we do, I just thought it would be nice to wake up one morning and find out you have loads of money"--
Mrs sky---"Well that's all very nice dear, but it's really not fair is it?-- All this money came from the people of England, how can we look poor people in the eye?
Mr Sky,-- "Don't worry darling, I'll figure out a way to give it back, first thing tomorrow morning"
Mrs Sky-- "why don't you just set up an internet gambling site that works the opposite way to all the other ones and gives away loads of money to everybody?"
Mr sky-- "that's a very interesting idea darling, I'll look into it right away"
Didn't Anna mention how she enjoyed playing Machka in 30p DYM's after her shows? She must be gutted they've gone! And maybe Machka's not winning The show competitions as a protest! for spoiling his early morning treats!
All good, I was just looking at a way to make the rich man a little richer and also make the proletariat happy to donk more 10%s to him than less 15%s , but maybe its like those infernal crapshoots the Bounty Hunters when the rich man was asked why he charged more, it was because they were popular.... A swimming pool would look nice dear, tell the butler to make a call for me.......
If they come back, can we have 10% rake, can we have 10% rake on all games maximum ? I for one would gladly grind a load of DYMs alongside my low stake MTTs that I play if I didnt have to beat 15 and 20% rakes before I made a profit. Not sure what others think but if we are looking at this from a business perspective would that not make sense? I could be wrong and often am but I think if it was given a go, perhaps that 10% rake would entice enough extra players to offset those like me who wont grind a load of games where the rake makes it very difficult to make a profit. Posted by Oopnorth
This has been asked for on several occasions for lower stakes DYMs, but has fallen on deaf ears. Why should micro stakes players be paying a higher rake than everyone else?
I agree that lower rakes would see an increase in numbers at these tables, and generate more income.
We as customers of this business are providing feedback through the forum on these matters. If we are not satisfied with the products provided or the amount we are being charged in rake, then it is our prerogative to take our business elsewhere.
So for my tuppence worth, I think that all DYMs should have the same rake%, and that the 30p games should be brought back.
@ Logdon - The way, is to wait until Tuesday/Wednesday when Tikay has his meeting with management and gets back to us with what their view on the matter is.
@67bhoys - I'd love lower rake, we all would but it is industry standard that rake will always be lower at higher stakes. The rake at 30p and 60p is the same and they both run pretty much non-stop all day, so I'm not sure they really need to entice people to play them by lowering rake. Much in the same way that lots of people love to play BHs so the rake is higher. Supply and Demand and all that jive.
Blimey, i'm away for a few weeks and it's all change shame if they are gone forever, used to like them as a "quick fix" while waiting to get on tables always seemed to fill up quick
@ Logdon - The way, is to wait until Tuesday/Wednesday when Tikay has his meeting with management and gets back to us with what their view on the matter is. @67bhoys - I'd love lower rake, we all would but it is industry standard that rake will always be lower at higher stakes. The rake at 30p and 60p is the same and they both run pretty much non-stop all day, so I'm not sure they really need to entice people to play them by lowering rake. Much in the same way that lots of people love to play BHs so the rake is higher. Supply and Demand and all that jive. Posted by Lambert180
There is a demand for the 30p DYMs and they have been scrapped. Also just because some games are more popular than others, doesn't make it right to charge more. It may be generate income, but may leave those customers who are charged a higher rake feeling slightly aggrieved.
It may be profitable, but is it fair and equitable?
Law of supply and demand are one thing and in that I do not agree, if a product is cheaper,, ie the rake , elsewhere, people will then travel there and buy their goods. These higher rakes are a nonsensical business model, charge people more because they are popular. Carry on then and someone will undercut you. And dont say you werent warned. Also this is not an inelastic market, the kind where you can 'price fix' to an extent, in areas like fuel prices. And God its been a while but I do remember vaguely one of the laws of economics being that it is a much cheaper business model to retain customers you have gained through good customer service than it can ever be once they leave. Something around 5x more perhaps to get a customer back that you have lost than to retain that customer in the first place. I dont and wont accept that it is good business practice to charge your customer more for a product simply because it is popular if that was the reason given for areas of higher rake. That is just fundamentally bad business practice.
The following is something that I put on my thread 1 week ago, however I feel it has a relevance to this thread & as "the suits" decision might still be reversible I have posted here as well to add whatever weight I can to the case.
"A different start to today, no 30p Dym. For the past few days I have been starting the morning off with the ladder challenge before I start playing on the £11 Dym tables. for 2 reasons really 1) that I am happy with my game before i sit on an £11 table. 2) £11 tables dont fill up quickly at that time of the day.I have already said on a previous post what I thought about the standard of play on the 30p tables.
I presume the cost to Sky of putting on that table exceeds the 30p it recieves in rake. Personally I think it is a big shame, I started on sky with £10 & learnt my way around the poker on sky playing these tables, feeling comfortable with the 33 BI I had, now it would only be 16. Even when I suffered a crisis of confidence, I dropped back to that level. However playing that level was far better standard than any "freeroll" table I have ever played. Never did I have to wait long for the table to fill (unlike other levels). Tikay himself said that the behind the scenes changes to the software meant that Sky had more capacity than would ever be needed (unless of course sky is to go global & needs the capacity).
I hope the recreational players who have no intention of performing a bankroll challenge & are quite happy to play the game we all love at the lower levels are not forced away with Sky's decision to Double the minimum cost of a game of poker.
If it hadn't been for the 30p Dym tables I don't think I would still be playing & enjoying my time on Sky poker. "
Because there is almost near silence from Sky (apart from Tikays answer), then I take this as Sky are seriously taken aback by the response to their decsion and reassessing the situation seriously. The 30p DYM might be gone or/and they may be planning to bring something else in to appease the lower stake player.
I think Im more annoyed at the way it was done without warning, and no logical reason which stacks up and then the lack of response after it has been done. What is also baffling is Ive heard several of the 865 presenters and experts over the years say how good the 30p DYM's are as an introduction to learning the skills of the game etc. They must be cringing at the "suits" decision to axe them ?
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I for one would gladly grind a load of DYMs alongside my low stake MTTs that I play if I didnt have to beat 15 and 20% rakes before I made a profit. Not sure what others think but if we are looking at this from a business perspective would that not make sense?
I could be wrong and often am but I think if it was given a go, perhaps that 10% rake would entice enough extra players to offset those like me who wont grind a load of games where the rake makes it very difficult to make a profit.
First: 10/6/2009
Last: 1/6/2012
Scene 1--- Big bedroom, very posh--- Mr big boss Sky man yawns as he is woken by his wife---
Mrs Sky-- "good morning dear-- You'll never guess what just happened-- I went to buy you a new ferrari this morning, so I checked our bank account first, and found out we have loads of money!!
Mr sky--- "That's right darling, we do, I just thought it would be nice to wake up one morning and find out you have loads of money"--
Mrs sky---"Well that's all very nice dear, but it's really not fair is it?-- All this money came from the people of England, how can we look poor people in the eye?
Mr Sky,-- "Don't worry darling, I'll figure out a way to give it back, first thing tomorrow morning"
Mrs Sky-- "why don't you just set up an internet gambling site that works the opposite way to all the other ones and gives away loads of money to everybody?"
Mr sky-- "that's a very interesting idea darling, I'll look into it right away"
She must be gutted they've gone!
And maybe Machka's not winning The show competitions as a protest! for spoiling his early morning treats!
A swimming pool would look nice dear, tell the butler to make a call for me.......
We do want them back and this probably aint the way to go about it
if we were to get them bk surely we would have got them back by now
I agree that lower rakes would see an increase in numbers at these tables, and generate more income.
We as customers of this business are providing feedback through the forum on these matters. If we are not satisfied with the products provided or the amount we are being charged in rake, then it is our prerogative to take our business elsewhere.
So for my tuppence worth, I think that all DYMs should have the same rake%, and that the 30p games should be brought back.
@67bhoys - I'd love lower rake, we all would but it is industry standard that rake will always be lower at higher stakes. The rake at 30p and 60p is the same and they both run pretty much non-stop all day, so I'm not sure they really need to entice people to play them by lowering rake. Much in the same way that lots of people love to play BHs so the rake is higher. Supply and Demand and all that jive.
shame if they are gone forever, used to like them as a "quick fix" while waiting to get on tables
always seemed to fill up quick
It may be profitable, but is it fair and equitable?
Law of supply and demand are one thing and in that I do not agree, if a product is cheaper,, ie the rake , elsewhere, people will then travel there and buy their goods. These higher rakes are a nonsensical business model, charge people more because they are popular. Carry on then and someone will undercut you. And dont say you werent warned.
Also this is not an inelastic market, the kind where you can 'price fix' to an extent, in areas like fuel prices.
And God its been a while but I do remember vaguely one of the laws of economics being that it is a much cheaper business model to retain customers you have gained through good customer service than it can ever be once they leave. Something around 5x more perhaps to get a customer back that you have lost than to retain that customer in the first place.
I dont and wont accept that it is good business practice to charge your customer more for a product simply because it is popular if that was the reason given for areas of higher rake.
That is just fundamentally bad business practice.
"A different start to today, no 30p Dym. For the past few days I have been starting the morning off with the ladder challenge before I start playing on the £11 Dym tables. for 2 reasons really 1) that I am happy with my game before i sit on an £11 table. 2) £11 tables dont fill up quickly at that time of the day.I have already said on a previous post what I thought about the standard of play on the 30p tables.