I started out from scratch with a £5 deposit playing 30p DYM's and freerolls when they didn't need as many points to play, and am still spinning up that same £5 today. I very much doubt I could do that again today starting as a complete novice with no 30p DYM's and the points needed to enter a freeroll today, and feel it's a shame to let those 30p DYM's go.
I also accept that Sky are running this as a business, and have to balance their profits against the capability of the site to run various options. If the site gets overloaded and crashes or gets too laggy then everyone complains. How they need to balance their business is up to them, if they get it wrong and too much money leaves the site then they'll have to rethink, but I doubt they'll change their minds based on forum demands.
I started out from scratch with a £5 deposit playing 30p DYM's and freerolls when they didn't need as many points to play, and am still spinning up that same £5 today. I very much doubt I could do that again today starting as a complete novice with no 30p DYM's and the points needed to enter a freeroll today, and feel it's a shame to let those 30p DYM's go. I also accept that Sky are running this as a business, and have to balance their profits against the capability of the site to run various options. If the site gets overloaded and crashes or gets too laggy then everyone complains. How they need to balance their business is up to them, if they get it wrong and too much money leaves the site then they'll have to rethink, but I doubt they'll change their minds based on forum demands. Posted by harding10
I do remember the topic of the system being overloaded when we had real trouble with the UKOPS BH and another really big freeroll (I think) that had thousands of runners and people were saying the site can't handle it. Then Tikay said that since the software updates the system could now handle about 10 times more traffic than it currently has, so that can't be a reason to get rid of them.
I've got the lobby open on 1 of my favorite little games(so i am not going to name & shame) which i only play when in the mood.I logged in at 10.08 opened the lobby str8 away 2hrs+ later 4 players reg'ed. So what i am i ment to think about this?If every sit & go that run's the same or less than the 30p dym's ran get scrapped where would that leave sit & go's let alone the site?
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : I might be wrong tommy and im not going to say this is the case but 30p dyms for each one that runs sky make 30p for ever £220 Sky make £120. Now im no mathemathical expert as i should be (tutuor hint please) but by my calculators maths that means the 30p games require to play 400 games just to match. So even if only 1 £220 game runs per day (i dnt know how many do, well outa my BR and game type) its probably profitable. Where as 400 30p games probably is abit unrealistic no matter how strong the player pool is. Its disappointing to say the least i have no other comments. I think my opinion has been expressed. Posted by The_Don90
Aww, your post started so well Don lol, as I was reading I thought I knew the direction you were going in, then it went the complete opposite direction.
You're right that 1 £220 games makes sky £120 in rake and to make the equivelant from 30p games, it would be 400 games, so I agreed up to that point. But even bearing that in mind, I would be really surprised if Sky said they get more rake from £220s than from 30ps. The £220 I imagine (and from Tommy's post) probably runs once a day if you're lucky, maybe less than that. Whereas I would imagine they easy get 400 game 30p DYMs a day no problem.
If I register in one at virtually any point of the day (excluding say 4am - 9am, never tried) you generally get a game in less than 3 mins. So if one game runs every 3 mins, that's 20 games an hour, I reckon that rate keeps up for at least 15-16 hours of the day. so 16 hours is 320 games, if they can get 80 games in the remaining 8 hours, job's a good 'un.
Obviously these are all estimates and I don't have the figures, but I'd imagine my figures can't be THAT far from reality. It's almost like the old MTT v Cash debate... you can either have a big bink every now and then, but not realy sure when it's gonna come or even if it's gonna come at all, or you can have a slow steady trickle of constant, reliable profit. Easy pick if it was my business
Hi Guys Just played 60p DYM and made modest profit of 40p from my 60p investment. In a 30p game I got 25p back. So Mathematicians I risk more for less is that correct.?
Point is are Sky by this implementation trying to force low stake players into Cash Games. ? 2p4p just asking. Hugs xx
Hi Guys Just played 60p DYM and made modest profit of 40p from my 60p investment. In a 30p game I got 25p back. So Mathematicians I risk more for less is that correct.? Point is are Sky by this implementation trying to force low stake players into Cash Games. ? 2p4p just asking. Hugs xx Posted by logdon
Well a 30p is actually 25p + 5p so you pay 20% rake.
A 60p is actually 50p + 10p, also 20% rake.
So it does work out exactly the same really in terms of risk/reward. Just that obviously people don't have the option now to risk less and win less if they want to.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : Aww, your post started so well Don lol, as I was reading I thought I knew the direction you were going in, then it went the complete opposite direction. You're right that 1 £220 games makes sky £120 in rake and to make the equivelant from 30p games, it would be 400 games, so I agreed up to that point. But even bearing that in mind, I would be really surprised if Sky said they get more rake from £220s than from 30ps. The £220 I imagine (and from Tommy's post) probably runs once a day if you're lucky, maybe less than that. Whereas I would imagine they easy get 400 game 30p DYMs a day no problem. If I register in one at virtually any point of the day (excluding say 4am - 9am, never tried) you generally get a game in less than 3 mins. So if one game runs every 3 mins, that's 20 games an hour, I reckon that rate keeps up for at least 15-16 hours of the day. so 16 hours is 320 games, if they can get 80 games in the remaining 8 hours, job's a good 'un. Obviously these are all estimates and I don't have the figures, but I'd imagine my figures can't be THAT far from reality. It's almost like the old MTT v Cash debate... you can either have a big bink every now and then, but not realy sure when it's gonna come or even if it's gonna come at all, or you can have a slow steady trickle of constant, reliable profit. Easy pick if it was my business Posted by Lambert180
I was trying to be extremely causious with what i was trying to say mate. I didnt want to say that it was purley based on rake. I will say however during the night 1am - 9am it can take a while to get one running in my experiance - excluding friday nights.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : I was trying to be extremely causious with what i was trying to say mate. I didnt want to say that it was purley based on rake. I will say however during the night 1am - 9am it can take a while to get one running in my experiance - excluding friday nights. Posted by The_Don90
Yeah definitely, they're probably the lowest 8 hours of the day, or maybe 2am - 10am.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : Well a 30p is actually 25p + 5p so you pay 20% rake. A 60p is actually 50p + 10p, also 20% rake. So it does work out exactly the same really in terms of risk/reward. Just that obviously people don't have the option now to risk less and win less if they want to. Posted by Lambert180
That's Sky profit. Rake is the same for them OK but. My profit is 50p from two 30p games a 60p outlay. From single 60p outlay profit is 40p ....... that's not the same.? please correct me if I'm wrong. ta Annie xx
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : That's Sky profit. Rake is the same for them OK but. My profit is 50p from two 30p games a 60p outlay. From single 60p outlay profit is 40p ....... that's not the same.? please correct me if I'm wrong. ta Annie xx Posted by logdon
if im in the bookies and you look at a horse
horse a is called 30p dym, horse b is called 60p dym.
horse a ins 3/5 meaning you invest 30p to win 50p
horse b is 6/10 meaning you invest 60p to win £1 (100p) the bookie would then half those odds to make it more appealing ha;fing is 3/5.
When you play a 30p game and win you get 50p back, so you've made 20p profit, multiplied by 2 games = 40p
If you play 1 X 60p game, you get £1 back and so you make 40p profit.
So the rake is the same, the outlay is the same for you, the reward is the same for you. The only difference is that if you have say £10, you can only afford to play 16 games now rather than 33 games if they still had 30p DYMs
If people feel so strongly about something,sky usually listen. I would not be happy if the games i play were suddenly removed. Hopefully sky will reinstate these. All the best. Posted by FINS
+1 to this. When I joined Skypoker I learnt to play poker on 30p DYM's so I suppose I may be a bit biased in my views. 30p DYM's are fun and a GREAT way to learn poker from scratch. Don't forget that when a new player joins Skypoker for the first time the set-up/software/tables are ALL new & can be VERY intimidating. Physcologically, with so much to learn, losing 30p doesn't seem like a big deal and if you deposit £5 you can get a LOT of play for your money and gain valuable experience. As initial investors new players want to get value for their money and 30p DYM's gave them this. I'm guessing, as always, decisions are made for good business reasons we are not party to but I think this decision may have been a mistake. pad
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : That's Sky profit. Rake is the same for them OK but. My profit is 50p from two 30p games a 60p outlay. From single 60p outlay profit is 40p ....... that's not the same.? please correct me if I'm wrong. ta Annie xx Posted by logdon
Looks like your reign of owning me on the 30p dym's is over! Sigh! Thank goodness we've still got the caption comp!
If people feel so strongly about something,sky usually listen. I would not be happy if the games i play were suddenly removed. Hopefully sky will reinstate these. All the best. Posted by FINS
It would be nice to think so but, in my experience, deafness to customer dissatisfaction and a refusal to admit to mistakes is a fundamental characteristic of big business. I would like to think that Sky Poker were an honourable exception to this general rule but I doubt it.
I blame the people that keep making the suggestions. Like wouldn't it be great to have Re-buy DYMs. ? Oops ! Posted by logdon
You could be right. Let's all suggest 30p dyms are reinstated. As for rebuys, I think they're a joke. In any tournament in any other sport or game, if you're out you're out. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the next time Andy Murray is knocked out of Wimbledon he suggested being allowed to buy back in. The idea would be laughed out of court, literally.
Comments
I also accept that Sky are running this as a business, and have to balance their profits against the capability of the site to run various options. If the site gets overloaded and crashes or gets too laggy then everyone complains. How they need to balance their business is up to them, if they get it wrong and too much money leaves the site then they'll have to rethink, but I doubt they'll change their minds based on forum demands.
So what i am i ment to think about this?If every sit & go that run's the same or less than the 30p dym's ran get scrapped where would that leave sit & go's let alone the site?
You're right that 1 £220 games makes sky £120 in rake and to make the equivelant from 30p games, it would be 400 games, so I agreed up to that point. But even bearing that in mind, I would be really surprised if Sky said they get more rake from £220s than from 30ps. The £220 I imagine (and from Tommy's post) probably runs once a day if you're lucky, maybe less than that. Whereas I would imagine they easy get 400 game 30p DYMs a day no problem.
If I register in one at virtually any point of the day (excluding say 4am - 9am, never tried) you generally get a game in less than 3 mins. So if one game runs every 3 mins, that's 20 games an hour, I reckon that rate keeps up for at least 15-16 hours of the day. so 16 hours is 320 games, if they can get 80 games in the remaining 8 hours, job's a good 'un.
Obviously these are all estimates and I don't have the figures, but I'd imagine my figures can't be THAT far from reality. It's almost like the old MTT v Cash debate... you can either have a big bink every now and then, but not realy sure when it's gonna come or even if it's gonna come at all, or you can have a slow steady trickle of constant, reliable profit. Easy pick if it was my business
So Mathematicians I risk more for less is that correct.?
Point is are Sky by this implementation trying to force low stake players into Cash Games. ? 2p4p just asking. Hugs xx
A 60p is actually 50p + 10p, also 20% rake.
So it does work out exactly the same really in terms of risk/reward. Just that obviously people don't have the option now to risk less and win less if they want to.
horse a is called 30p dym, horse b is called 60p dym.
horse a ins 3/5 meaning you invest 30p to win 50p
horse b is 6/10 meaning you invest 60p to win £1 (100p) the bookie would then half those odds to make it more appealing ha;fing is 3/5.
Exact same
If you play 1 X 60p game, you get £1 back and so you make 40p profit.
So the rake is the same, the outlay is the same for you, the reward is the same for you. The only difference is that if you have say £10, you can only afford to play 16 games now rather than 33 games if they still had 30p DYMs
I'm guessing, as always, decisions are made for good business reasons we are not party to but I think this decision may have been a mistake.
pad
Thank goodness we've still got the caption comp!