I'm still convinced they probably bring in more rake than say the £220 games though. I see your point but as far as I'm aware it won't have any detrimental effect to the site speed etc to have more games available. The only negative could be lack of liquidity but I can't see that being a problem at all with micro DYMs.
Even if this is the case, it would be nice for Sky to explain this and not just ignore the threads.
On the topic of Tikay mentioning things on the show, I did mean to post in after he said it but didn't get round to it... they got a question from a guy who said he had a small BR and wanted some advice on what to play etc and Tikay suggested micro DYMs as a great way for new players to start. This has always been something Tikay has said (and I agree) as it's a great cheap way to learn the basics, and it now just got twice as expensive for every single new player
I'm still convinced they probably bring in more rake than say the £220 games though. I see your point but as far as I'm aware it won't have any detrimental effect to the site speed etc to have more games available. The only negative could be lack of liquidity but I can't see that being a problem at all with micro DYMs. Even if this is the case, it would be nice for Sky to explain this and not just ignore the threads. On the topic of Tikay mentioning things on the show, I did mean to post in after he said it but didn't get round to it... they got a question from a guy who said he had a small BR and wanted some advice on what to play etc and Tikay suggested micro DYMs as a great way for new players to start. This has always been something Tikay has said (and I agree) as it's a great cheap way to learn the basics, and it now just got twice as expensive for every single new player Posted by Lambert180
+1 Would put a stop to all this speculation.
Totally agree with your last point, pretty much every expert/analyst have advised starting at the micro stakes for new players with small B/R.
firstly pretty poor that sky or somebody who represents them has not posted at least to acknowledge this thread....
this makes no sense even from skys point of view
i fail to understand how these games have a more considerable cost to run than games a lot higher that rarely if ever run.
i have played a lot of these over the last few months aiming to move up the levels slowly through correct bankroll management (as is constantly preached on skys live shows nearly every show)
I have now moved onto the biggest site in the world which has more games running i pay a lot less rake and although the games appear a little tougher at least i can play them.
Overtime the value of things diminish and obviously someone as decide the 30p game as no longer any true value! I remember this kind of unrest when the half pence coin was withdrawn and I'm sure Tikay remembers it when the farthing was withdrawn. What I'm saying here, it is nothing about greed or anything of the like, but is just a natural progression as monetary value changes. Posted by Donut64
The point is though, people WANT to play them. It's like saying a £50 DYM is meaningless to Phil Ivey so let's get rid. Monetary value is all relative, and some people can only afford (or only want) to deposit £10 maybe £20 and want as much 'bang for their buck' as possible.
I definitely don't believe it was greed or anything of the sort by Sky, but I do think it's a mistake... we all make them, and Sky more than most set themselves up for it (don't mean that in a bad way) because they are so experimental and give things a go. So they will always be open to people disagreeing with them trying things out.
If sky had said the reason for removing these was running costs or the other reasons people keep coming up with i could just about accept that.They did not they said "demand for these had declined quite a bit recently".As i have played a lot of these this year and have never had a long wait(at a reasonable time 10am-1am) i find that statement hard to believe.
If sky had said the reason for removing these was running costs or the other reasons people keep coming up with i could just about accept that.They did not they said "demand for these had declined quite a bit recently".As i have played a lot of these this year and have never had a long wait(at a reasonable time 10am-1am) i find that statement hard to believe. Posted by belsibub
I couldn't agree more. I've never had to wait more than a few minutes for a table to be filled and not always by the same few players, Every game seems to have different people at the table which suggests that a lot of players like the game. Come on Sky, we micro stakes players are your customers, it's time you responded to the points raised on this forum.
The Micro DYM's aren't something I get involved in but I do see the concerns of those who play them regularly, and I sympathise.
From what I've read here the reason is that they aren't popular and it's assumed that there is a cost implication to running them. That gives me a problem in understanding why they would be dropped.
Another area I don't visit is the play tables (free tables). Now I can't see that a 30p table or a £200 table cost any more or less to run than a play table. Have the play tables been reduced or done away with? Before someone reads half the post and gets the wrong end of the stick I'm not suggesting they should be. It's just that if Sky can run free tables then surely 30p or even 5p tables are worth more to them.
I think this is a way of increasing rake, pure and simple. The main event tournaments had all the buy-ins doubled(or made rebuys) last year. The guarantees increased accordingly but have since dropped back so that we now pay double the buy-in for approximately the same prize-money.
I think the demise of the 30p DYM is the same thing - increased rake or a way of maintaining rake from reduced numbers.
In Response to Re: Let me know when you bring back the 30p DYM's : I couldn't agree more. I've never had to wait more than a few minutes for a table to be filled and not always by the same few players, Every game seems to have different people at the table which suggests that a lot of players like the game. Come on Sky, we micro stakes players are your customers, it's time you responded to the points raised on this forum. Posted by 4EVERGREEN
Got to agree I often played 5 or 6 30p dym's at the same time.
The Micro DYM's aren't something I get involved in but I do see the concerns of those who play them regularly, and I sympathise. From what I've read here the reason is that they aren't popular and it's assumed that there is a cost implication to running them. That gives me a problem in understanding why they would be dropped. Another area I don't visit is the play tables (free tables). Now I can't see that a 30p table or a £200 table cost any more or less to run than a play table. Have the play tables been reduced or done away with? Before someone reads half the post and gets the wrong end of the stick I'm not suggesting they should be. It's just that if Sky can run free tables then surely 30p or even 5p tables are worth more to them. I think this is a way of increasing rake, pure and simple. The main event tournaments had all the buy-ins doubled(or made rebuys) last year. The guarantees increased accordingly but have since dropped back so that we now pay double the buy-in for approximately the same prize-money. I think the demise of the 30p DYM is the same thing - increased rake or a way of maintaining rake from reduced numbers. Posted by elsadog
I don't know why people think Sky are just going to explain things and everything's going to be ok.
This is a company and it's going to make money wherever it can, Tikay isn't in charge of Sky Poker, if he were, I'm sure he'd listen to everybody and do everything he can, but like all businesses throughout the world, it's the fat cats who control things. However, for whatever reason, Sky are still abusing its loyal players, it astounds me that people still play on this site. They're lucky they have such a loyal base of players because other sites offer better tournaments, cash games with more traffic, less rake, better rakeback and it's clear the people in charge of Sky, or more in particularly Sky Poker, don't give a poo about the players
It's not that I necessarily expect Tikay to answer personally. Obviously he will need to speak to the suits about this and then reply, or someone on the Sky_Poker account could reply, but for such a serious matter some sort of response is clearly needed.
I'm sorry, but I don't read all the threads, & though I saw this one at the start, I had not visited it since.
I'll try & reply sometime today.
As a matter of record, I cannot reply to EVERY complaint, if I did, I might be here a while.....
And yes, I am the Relations Manager (but NOT "Customer" Relations Manager), but no individual can reply personally to every Forum Thread or complaint, I'm afraid, it's just not possible.
As a general rule, Sky Poker believe that Customer Care is the route if players are unhappy about anything, & don't encourage me to try & deal with these things personally, though I do when I can.
The reason we have a Forum though is just to have somewhere that like-minded people, poker enthusiasts, can chill, chat, & enjoy ourselves. It was never intended to be a replacement for Customer Care.
Anyway, I'll try to reply to the specifics on this thread later today.
I know the forum shouldn't be used as a 'customer care' but I felt this came under the topic of 'Community Suggestions'. I would have posted in that thread but I know things tend to get more traffic in GPC.
I just hope Sky realise how invaluable these games are to those lower BR and recreational players (which is probably 80% of the site).
I always assumed that Sky's aim was to attract micro stakes players to the sight in the hope that, as they became more experienced, they would move up to the higher levels and thereby increase profitability through higher rake. If new players are discouraged from joining the sight, or leave because it's become too expensive for them to play, what are the implications for future growth and profitability? How many of the high stakes players currently on the sight started at the low levels and moved up over time and how many of the current low stakes players would do the same? If sky drive them away now they are potentially depriving themselves of much greater profits in the future. Come on, sky, think long-term, your removal of the 30p dym is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Even if this is the case, it would be nice for Sky to explain this and not just ignore the threads.
On the topic of Tikay mentioning things on the show, I did mean to post in after he said it but didn't get round to it... they got a question from a guy who said he had a small BR and wanted some advice on what to play etc and Tikay suggested micro DYMs as a great way for new players to start. This has always been something Tikay has said (and I agree) as it's a great cheap way to learn the basics, and it now just got twice as expensive for every single new player
Would put a stop to all this speculation.
Totally agree with your last point, pretty much every expert/analyst have advised starting at the micro stakes for new players with small B/R.
I definitely don't believe it was greed or anything of the sort by Sky, but I do think it's a mistake... we all make them, and Sky more than most set themselves up for it (don't mean that in a bad way) because they are so experimental and give things a go. So they will always be open to people disagreeing with them trying things out.
From what I've read here the reason is that they aren't popular and it's assumed that there is a cost implication to running them. That gives me a problem in understanding why they would be dropped.
Another area I don't visit is the play tables (free tables). Now I can't see that a 30p table or a £200 table cost any more or less to run than a play table. Have the play tables been reduced or done away with? Before someone reads half the post and gets the wrong end of the stick I'm not suggesting they should be. It's just that if Sky can run free tables then surely 30p or even 5p tables are worth more to them.
I think this is a way of increasing rake, pure and simple. The main event tournaments had all the buy-ins doubled(or made rebuys) last year. The guarantees increased accordingly but have since dropped back so that we now pay double the buy-in for approximately the same prize-money.
I think the demise of the 30p DYM is the same thing - increased rake or a way of maintaining rake from reduced numbers.
Good morning all.
I'm sorry, but I don't read all the threads, & though I saw this one at the start, I had not visited it since.
I'll try & reply sometime today.
As a matter of record, I cannot reply to EVERY complaint, if I did, I might be here a while.....
And yes, I am the Relations Manager (but NOT "Customer" Relations Manager), but no individual can reply personally to every Forum Thread or complaint, I'm afraid, it's just not possible.
As a general rule, Sky Poker believe that Customer Care is the route if players are unhappy about anything, & don't encourage me to try & deal with these things personally, though I do when I can.
The reason we have a Forum though is just to have somewhere that like-minded people, poker enthusiasts, can chill, chat, & enjoy ourselves. It was never intended to be a replacement for Customer Care.
Anyway, I'll try to reply to the specifics on this thread later today.
Thanks.
I know the forum shouldn't be used as a 'customer care' but I felt this came under the topic of 'Community Suggestions'. I would have posted in that thread but I know things tend to get more traffic in GPC.
I just hope Sky realise how invaluable these games are to those lower BR and recreational players (which is probably 80% of the site).
Thanks
Paul