lol Mon the mighty annan athletic haha imagine trying to compare it to a premier league team losing off the back of playing in the Champions league. Posted by LARSON7
same old excuses. 2-0 up v a side who your miles better than and you lose. No excuse cuts it.
Hand 1 - Hate it when we get clicked back, probably call the flop though like a big station. Once he ships the turn I fold.
Hand 2 - Makes no difference this time but I definitely c-bet bigger, snap off his shove. Unlucky
Hand 3 - Well played, good fold.
Hand 4 - Again you HAVE to be c-betting bigger, especially on boards that are quite wet and being 3way. I'd c-bet probably £1.20 ish at least. Are you just pressing the half pot button cos it looks like that on the turn too. After 2 callers on the flop and like the worst ever turn card, I'd check and probably fold to any decent sized bet.
Hand 2, not sure what he is raising with that you can beat, did you assign a rough range before stacking off that hand?
Hand 3, alarm bells on the flop, not saying fold but its a bit of a worry that should the turn have been a blank 2 or mostly irrelevant 3 I get the impression you might have stacked off.
4nl auto stack off with overcards is mostly fine. But its poor at 20nl
CalCal... the 2nd hand, villian is sat down with 25xBB so imo we can instantly tag him as a poor player assuming it's not just that he lost a big pot the previous hand and didn't top up in time.
So he only has 25xBB and ships that flop, he could easily just have Aspades and literally any other hand. He might do it with Kspades and any other card, he could do it with tons of 8x hands cos he fears the flush and wants to close it down now (not saying that's the correct thought process but it's how some people think), could also have OPs to the board that we beat. We definitely got to snap off his shove.
Worst case scenario QQ is behind, as it was in this case
Best case scenario we could be imo when the villian shoves might be
example 1. Villian had Ace spades, Any 6 QQ is 48.38%
example 2. Villain had King spades, 9 hearts QQ is 52.73%
When you consider rake if QQ hold, neither of these are worth stacking off with.
My decision to fold still stands. Villain might be a bad player, but to assume a bad player always has the worst hand is a very bad assumption to make.
Villain will tend to fold utter air anyway.
Regarding ops to the board (ie any pp), a 25bb player will often just shove that pre, so I would generally rule that out.
Sorry but you're just wrong. Assuming you're reasonable with his jamming range.
Here's how our equity stands up assuming he only EVER shoves sets, 99-TT, 2prs and TP A8
Board: 8s 6s 2s Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.813% 47.03% 01.79% 19554 742.50 { QdQh } Hand 1: 51.187% 49.40% 01.79% 20541 742.50 { TT-88, 66, 22, A8s, 86s, A8o, 86o }
So we're just worse than flipping in this situation but we're not getting even money on a call, we're calling £4.15 to win £7.15
So first of all, it's not that bad even if he is ridic tight. All you have to do is add in a few straight draw hands like 57, a couple of Aspades X hands, maybe Kspades X hands, and we EASILY have the correct price and odds to call.
Hand 1 and 4, cant do much about that. Hand 2, not sure what he is raising with that you can beat, did you assign a rough range before stacking off that hand? Hand 3, alarm bells on the flop, not saying fold but its a bit of a worry that should the turn have been a blank 2 or mostly irrelevant 3 I get the impression you might have stacked off. 4nl auto stack off with overcards is mostly fine. But its poor at 20nl Posted by calcalfold
Hand 1 Carnt do anything about lol
Unless your facing a blindfolded maniac wearing boxing gloves this is a clear fold on the turn and save the £12.75 for Pizza when your chilling out later
The rest are pretty standard and unlucky and by the way another reason that hand 2 is a snap call is because we should be trying to get his cash before he gives it to someone else ( Agree totally with Lambert180 )
Keep ya spirits up Don mate it wont happen like this forever but always remember WE WANT THESE PLAYERS AT THE TABLE ( well at least one of them we do )
And also remember that a poker players depression only lasts aslong as his next win mate
Not going to read your last post as I dont want to end up replying and dominating Dons thread, so lets just leave it that we agree to disagree. Oh and FYI when somebody is telling you what they would do, they are not wrong, unless you know what I would do better than I do.
Don, nice idea to add some MTT, Generally the standard of Bhunters is pretty poor cracking on with a few of these could see your roll regenerate in no time. Just be careful before you stack off mid pairs pre flop. Hope to see you above £300 again soon. I did a heads up shuffle last night and managed a 3rd place, if you have any kind of heads up ability I would consider playing some. One of the chaps I knocked out slowplayed aces to the river then called a 3bet all in on a super dangerous board for me to knock him out with the nut straight.
I played 2 mtts, both bounty hunters. Good start to one, taking 2 heads upto 6k. Then AK into AA, a lost flip despite hitting an A with AJ couldnt beat 44. Left me with 6BB i shoved KJ called by K9. J9xx9 board.
Next 1 i get one head with AA, then bust with TT v J4.
So back to cash. We someone please to god explain to me how the donkey i keep losing.
Donald you're good at MTTs!! You can't play two, get some bad beats and give up, you know what MTTs are like, they're **** horrible.
As for the cash hands...
Hand 1 - I hate the shove, you're making it really hard for anyone to call without a SUPER strong hand, so you get called by AA, KK, QQ, maybe AK and JJ unless you know the player is a maniac it's just really bad.
Hand 2 - Just unlucky
Hand 3 - Again unlucky, but you're likely beat here on the river. I don't think I can remember a time anyone has ever clicked back a river @ 20NL that hasn't been with a value hand, and there's not much we can hope he has... A9 is thin and he should practically never have an OP.
At 10nl I think you will be called by AA and KK, thats about it (for the most part, QQ might sometimes). The shove is a 4nl move - where it works, I just dont think you can get away with it vs anybody half competent at 10nl
Hand 1, agree with Lambert At 10nl I think you will be called by AA and KK, thats about it (for the most part, QQ might sometimes). The shove is a 4nl move - where it works, I just dont think you can get away with it vs anybody half competent at 10nl Posted by calcalfold
I guess you'll be joining the tonnes of nit regs at 10nl that refuse to stack off with less then AA pre and a set post.
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sometimes we just gotta fold
folding minimises your loses
Hand 2 - Makes no difference this time but I definitely c-bet bigger, snap off his shove. Unlucky
Hand 3 - Well played, good fold.
Hand 4 - Again you HAVE to be c-betting bigger, especially on boards that are quite wet and being 3way. I'd c-bet probably £1.20 ish at least. Are you just pressing the half pot button cos it looks like that on the turn too. After 2 callers on the flop and like the worst ever turn card, I'd check and probably fold to any decent sized bet.
Hand 2, not sure what he is raising with that you can beat, did you assign a rough range before stacking off that hand?
Hand 3, alarm bells on the flop, not saying fold but its a bit of a worry that should the turn have been a blank 2 or mostly irrelevant 3 I get the impression you might have stacked off.
4nl auto stack off with overcards is mostly fine. But its poor at 20nl
So he only has 25xBB and ships that flop, he could easily just have Aspades and literally any other hand. He might do it with Kspades and any other card, he could do it with tons of 8x hands cos he fears the flush and wants to close it down now (not saying that's the correct thought process but it's how some people think), could also have OPs to the board that we beat. We definitely got to snap off his shove.
Worst case scenario QQ is behind, as it was in this case
Best case scenario we could be imo when the villian shoves might be
example 1. Villian had Ace spades, Any 6
QQ is 48.38%
example 2. Villain had King spades, 9 hearts
QQ is 52.73%
When you consider rake if QQ hold, neither of these are worth stacking off with.
My decision to fold still stands. Villain might be a bad player, but to assume a bad player always has the worst hand is a very bad assumption to make.
Villain will tend to fold utter air anyway.
Regarding ops to the board (ie any pp), a 25bb player will often just shove that pre, so I would generally rule that out.
Here's how our equity stands up assuming he only EVER shoves sets, 99-TT, 2prs and TP A8
Board: 8s 6s 2s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.813% 47.03% 01.79% 19554 742.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 51.187% 49.40% 01.79% 20541 742.50 { TT-88, 66, 22, A8s, 86s, A8o, 86o }
So we're just worse than flipping in this situation but we're not getting even money on a call, we're calling £4.15 to win £7.15
So first of all, it's not that bad even if he is ridic tight. All you have to do is add in a few straight draw hands like 57, a couple of Aspades X hands, maybe Kspades X hands, and we EASILY have the correct price and odds to call.
Hand 1 Carnt do anything about lol
Unless your facing a blindfolded maniac wearing boxing gloves this is a clear fold on the turn and save the £12.75 for Pizza when your chilling out later
The rest are pretty standard and unlucky and by the way another reason that hand 2 is a snap call is because we should be trying to get his cash before he gives it to someone else ( Agree totally with Lambert180 )
Keep ya spirits up Don mate it wont happen like this forever but always remember WE WANT THESE PLAYERS AT THE TABLE ( well at least one of them we do
And also remember that a poker players depression only lasts aslong as his next win mate
Not going to read your last post as I dont want to end up replying and dominating Dons thread, so lets just leave it that we agree to disagree. Oh and FYI when somebody is telling you what they would do, they are not wrong, unless you know what I would do better than I do.
Don, nice idea to add some MTT, Generally the standard of Bhunters is pretty poor cracking on with a few of these could see your roll regenerate in no time. Just be careful before you stack off mid pairs pre flop. Hope to see you above £300 again soon. I did a heads up shuffle last night and managed a 3rd place, if you have any kind of heads up ability I would consider playing some. One of the chaps I knocked out slowplayed aces to the river then called a 3bet all in on a super dangerous board for me to knock him out with the nut straight.
I played 2 mtts, both bounty hunters. Good start to one, taking 2 heads upto 6k. Then AK into AA, a lost flip despite hitting an A with AJ couldnt beat 44. Left me with 6BB i shoved KJ called by K9. J9xx9 board.
Next 1 i get one head with AA, then bust with TT v J4.
So back to cash. We someone please to god explain to me how the donkey i keep losing.
Points: 1124
As for the cash hands...
Hand 1 - I hate the shove, you're making it really hard for anyone to call without a SUPER strong hand, so you get called by AA, KK, QQ, maybe AK and JJ unless you know the player is a maniac it's just really bad.
Hand 2 - Just unlucky
Hand 3 - Again unlucky, but you're likely beat here on the river. I don't think I can remember a time anyone has ever clicked back a river @ 20NL that hasn't been with a value hand, and there's not much we can hope he has... A9 is thin and he should practically never have an OP.
At 10nl I think you will be called by AA and KK, thats about it (for the most part, QQ might sometimes). The shove is a 4nl move - where it works, I just dont think you can get away with it vs anybody half competent at 10nl