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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459








    650 people work in the same building. 262 of them (til yesterday) were Labour MPs. Of course he has spoken to her. What I expect she meant was that there has been no meaningful conversation on this subject.

    It all depends on what you mean by antisemitic.

    To some, it means anti-Jewish. Corbyn is not, the Labour Party is not.
    However, to some people, antisemitic means that you do not support Israel (and, by extension, support the Palestinian cause). Corbyn certainly meets that criteria, as do some members of the Labour Party.

    Personally, I do not believe it is racist to support EITHER the Israeli OR Palestinian position. But many people disagree.

    Some numbers sound like they mean more than they do. For example, IF there are only 700 complaints, 1 campaigner says she has made more than 200 of them.

    Corbyn is in a cleft stick, formed during times when he was a rebel rather than a leader. He cannot be open about his loyalties, because it would cost him votes. It is his years of ploughing his own furrow that prevent him being an effective leader. He reminds me of a traditional C of E vicar-great at preaching to the converted, but out of touch with the non-believers.

    It always annoys me that the press in this country concentrate on attacking the left. Anyone think Baroness Warsi's points on racism in the Tory party are not equally valid?

    It would seem he has not spoken to her directly since late 2017. This seems negligent under the circumstances.

    The Labour Party has a clear definition of Antisemitism.

    Corbyn has been guilty of it, and offered flimsy excuses.

    The number of complaints is worrying. The fact that many refer to Corbyn supporters is cause for concern. As is the time taken to act on these complaints.

    The fact that Luciana Berger faced no confidence motions as a result of her complaints is ridiculous and probably sums up the direction in which the party is headed.

    Ken Livingstone had to resign, after they suspended him for years, and failed to kick him out of the party.

    Corbyn is only in the cleft stick that he put himself in.

    If his past prevents him from being an effective leader, then he shouldn't have taken it on. Nobody was holding a trident to his head to force him to become the leader.

    The Tories racism is equally valid, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    Peak Corbyn has gone.

    They would be better off being led by Tom Watson.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    edited February 2019

    For BS , read anything that is the opposite of what you think .
    The referendum wasn't a supply or goods contract , the government promised to action the result.
    For the millionth time , it smacks in the face of democracy .
    It's only a solution if the result is different , and even then it's not really because of the widespread divisiveness it would cause .
    Thankfully it will never happen .
    I think it has just become a bit more likely, watch Mr Corbyn.
    What is the difference in calling another election 2years after the last one?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459

    For BS , read anything that is the opposite of what you think .
    The referendum wasn't a supply or goods contract , the government promised to action the result.
    For the millionth time , it smacks in the face of democracy .
    It's only a solution if the result is different , and even then it's not really because of the widespread divisiveness it would cause .
    Thankfully it will never happen .
    What is the alternative solution?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    What is the alternative solution?
    Looks across at the calendar ...nope def not the 31st march yet. :p

    Def think Tom Watson would make a good leader

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459

    Yea these people ( whos motives imo aren't as clear cut as they would like to make out ) , were voted in as labour candidates , if they were truly interested in democracy each of them would immediately call for a by election . But thats why they won't , because they know the majority of their votes will have been for the party and not them as individuals .
    It is quite easy to see why many Labour MPs would be unhappy with their leader.
    It wasn't that long ago that he faced a massive revolt by them.
    Leopards and spots.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459

    For BS , read anything that is the opposite of what you think .
    The referendum wasn't a supply or goods contract , the government promised to action the result.
    For the millionth time , it smacks in the face of democracy .
    It's only a solution if the result is different , and even then it's not really because of the widespread divisiveness it would cause .
    Thankfully it will never happen .
    I would dispute the first point.
    Secondly, the reason that there is a cooling off period subsequent to signing a contract, is to allow people to make sure that they will get what they are expecting, and that there is nothing hidden in the small print that comes as a surprise to them.

    Democracy didn't just exist for one day, and shouldn't prevent people from changing their minds.

    Causing divisiveness shouldn't be an excuse for an act of self harm.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459

    How do you suppose he could get a 2nd referendum motion through parliament ...what support would there be for it ? He's not uri geller !
    He just said on the telly that his plan for Brexit was to get the Government to take no deal off the table, and then negotiate intelligently with the EU for a deal. He is planning a trip to Brussels on Thursday.
    Firstly he has no standing in EU negotiations.
    Secondly this is categorically not what was voted for so overwhelmingly at their Conference.
    Keep an eye out for more resignations over the next couple of days.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459



    Looks across at the calendar ...nope def not the 31st march yet. :p

    Def think Tom Watson would make a good leader

    True its not, but I think that we have moved further away from a solution this month, rather than closer to.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
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    Looks across at the calendar ...nope def not the 31st march yet. :p


    You haven't got one then?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited February 2019
    "Looks across at the calendar ...nope def not the 31st march yet. :p


    You haven't got one then?"



    Yes I have , its on the wall next to the printer ...Arsenal fc one , Aubameyang is the February player . :)


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    Essexphil said:

    650 people work in the same building. 262 of them (til yesterday) were Labour MPs. Of course he has spoken to her. What I expect she meant was that there has been no meaningful conversation on this subject.

    It all depends on what you mean by antisemitic.

    To some, it means anti-Jewish. Corbyn is not, the Labour Party is not.
    However, to some people, antisemitic means that you do not support Israel (and, by extension, support the Palestinian cause). Corbyn certainly meets that criteria, as do some members of the Labour Party.

    Personally, I do not believe it is racist to support EITHER the Israeli OR Palestinian position. But many people disagree.

    Some numbers sound like they mean more than they do. For example, IF there are only 700 complaints, 1 campaigner says she has made more than 200 of them.

    Corbyn is in a cleft stick, formed during times when he was a rebel rather than a leader. He cannot be open about his loyalties, because it would cost him votes. It is his years of ploughing his own furrow that prevent him being an effective leader. He reminds me of a traditional C of E vicar-great at preaching to the converted, but out of touch with the non-believers.

    It always annoys me that the press in this country concentrate on attacking the left. Anyone think Baroness Warsi's points on racism in the Tory party are not equally valid?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSvDZWuD57o
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    https://youtu.be/iwkxg8-1byU
    Racist and terrorist sympathiser.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    Chuka Umunna hopes new party will be created by end of year

    Chuka Umunna has said he hopes a new party will be created by the end of the year, after he and six other MPs quit Labour citing anger at the party’s Brexit policy and the issue of antisemitism.
    Related: Emotional Labour deputy Tom Watson tells Corbyn: You must change to avoid party splitting
    Umunna hinted that he expected more MPs, including some from the Conservative party, to depart in the coming days and weeks.
    “I would like to see us move as quickly as possible and certainly by the end of the year, but that’s my personal view,” he told ITV. “There needs to be an alternative, so that’s perfectly possible. But I don’t get to determine this.”



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/chuka-umunna-hopes-new-party-will-be-created-by-end-of-year/ar-BBTN7yz?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    Derek Hatton: Former Militant member readmitted to Labour 34 years after expulsion

    Former member of the left-wing Militant faction and deputy leader of Liverpool council, Derek Hatton, has been readmitted to the Labour Party – 34 years after he was expelled.






    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/derek-hatton-former-militant-member-readmitted-to-labour-34-years-after-expulsion/ar-BBTMoxW?ocid=spartanntp

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    Mercedes could quit F1 with no-deal Brexit, warns UK motor racing chairman







    David Richards, the chairman of UK motor racing’s governing body, has warned that Mercedes could pull the plug on Formula One if Britain leaves the European Union without a deal.
    Mercedes have enjoyed tremendous success in recent seasons and are this year bidding to win their sixth consecutive drivers’ and constructors’ titles.




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/formula1/mercedes-could-quit-f1-with-no-deal-brexit-warns-uk-motor-racing-chairman/ar-BBTNsl5?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    UK will not present 'Malthouse Compromise' Brexit proposal to EU - Mail on Sunday reporter

    LONDON, Feb 19 (Reuters) - The British government will not pursue a compromise Brexit proposal championed by members of Theresa May's Conservative Party in negotiations with the European Union, Mail on Sunday reporter Harry Cole said on Twitter (Frankfurt: A1W6XZ - news) .
    "It sounds like the Malthouse Compromise is dead," Cole said, adding that May had made it clear to her cabinet that the idea was not feasible during a meeting earlier on Tuesday.
    The compromise proposal had been designed to help unite pro-EU and Brexiteer factions in her party and had been under consideration by May's office after a series of meeting with its supporters.





    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-not-present-malthouse-compromise-153953819.html

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    A ship has left the UK for Japan with no guarantee of unloading its cargo due to Brexit





    The U.K. business minister admitted Tuesday that a free trade agreement (FTA) with Japan would not be completed in time to facilitate a cargo ship that left Britain for the Asian nation this week.
    Britain is scrambling to arrange around 40 existing trade deals that have been agreed under the umbrella of the European Union before the official Brexit date of March 29.
    The Thalassa Mana cargo ship left Felixstowe on Monday and is scheduled to arrive in Osaka, Japan, on March 30, one day after Britain is set to leave the EU.
    Speaking to a gathering of British manufacturers and exporters on Tuesday, U.K. Business Secretary Greg Clark said fears about customs barriers and logistics delays were an "unacceptable" reality.


    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ship-left-uk-japan-no-145250556.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    UK's Gove: Govt will use tariffs to protect farming in no deal Brexit

    BIRMINGHAM, England, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Britain will use import tariffs to protect its farming industry if it fails to reach a trade pact with the European Union, farming and environment minister Michael Gove said on Tuesday.
    Gove told the annual conference of the National Farmers Union that the cabinet has been discussing what the tariff rates would be in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
    "You (farmers) have argued that we need tariffs on sheep meat, beef, poultry, dairy, both milk and cheese; and pig meat in order to safeguard domestic production," he said.
    "Your concerns have been heard, and an announcement on new UK tariffs in a no-deal scenario - with specific and robust protections for farming - will be made shortly."



    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uks-gove-govt-tariffs-protect-140454471.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    Essexphil said:

    650 people work in the same building. 262 of them (til yesterday) were Labour MPs. Of course he has spoken to her. What I expect she meant was that there has been no meaningful conversation on this subject.

    It all depends on what you mean by antisemitic.

    To some, it means anti-Jewish. Corbyn is not, the Labour Party is not.
    However, to some people, antisemitic means that you do not support Israel (and, by extension, support the Palestinian cause). Corbyn certainly meets that criteria, as do some members of the Labour Party.

    Personally, I do not believe it is racist to support EITHER the Israeli OR Palestinian position. But many people disagree.

    Some numbers sound like they mean more than they do. For example, IF there are only 700 complaints, 1 campaigner says she has made more than 200 of them.

    Corbyn is in a cleft stick, formed during times when he was a rebel rather than a leader. He cannot be open about his loyalties, because it would cost him votes. It is his years of ploughing his own furrow that prevent him being an effective leader. He reminds me of a traditional C of E vicar-great at preaching to the converted, but out of touch with the non-believers.

    It always annoys me that the press in this country concentrate on attacking the left. Anyone think Baroness Warsi's points on racism in the Tory party are not equally valid?







    Ruth George sorry for claiming ex-Labour MPs may have Israeli backing







    A Labour MP has apologised for claiming a group of ex-colleagues who quit the party in protest over anti-Semitism may be backed by the Israeli government.
    Ruth George, the MP for High Peak, suggested it was "possible" the seven MPs who jumped ship on Monday were being supported by the state of Israel.
    She later issued a statement saying she was "deeply sorry for her ill-thought out and poorly worded comment"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47296591
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,459
    edited February 2019
    TripAdvisor suspends reviews on 'Brexit Party B&B'

    TripAdvisor has suspended reviews for the bed and breakfast used as the official address for the new Brexit Party after "malicious trolling".
    Annapurna Bed & Breakfast in Norfolk, run by leader Catherine Blaiklock's husband, was the address used when the party registered on 5 February.
    A party spokesman said the venue's rating had dropped in recent days.
    TripAdvisor said it halted reviews after "an influx of review submissions that did not meet our guidelines".




    Comments on the TripAdvisor entry for the bed and breakfast included "breakfast means breakfast" and "couldn't wait to vote leave", according to the Evening Standard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-47292229
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