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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    Britain records 19,790 more Covid-19 cases and 151 deaths - more than DOUBLE last Sunday's total of 67




    Some 19,790 people tested positive for coronavirus in the UK (top right), marking a rise of just 16.5 per cent on the 16,982 cases reported last Sunday. However, today's daily death toll has skyrocketed by 125 per cent compared to the 67 deaths reported this day last week. The 151 Covid-19 deaths (bottom right) across all settings - including hospitals, care homes and the wider community - reported today is the highest Sunday death toll since May 24. Left: A member of the public passes the Nightingale Hospital North West in Manchester, England, on Thursday.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
  • misterpjmisterpj Member Posts: 1,630
    Symptoms of EMF, very 'similar'

  • misterpjmisterpj Member Posts: 1,630
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    PM under new pressure for second lockdown: SAGE predicts COVID second wave 'could be deadlier than first' with a 'lower but longer' peak - and says entire UK will be locked down by Christmas



    The government's scientific advisers are urging the Prime Minister to prepare for a second wave of coronavirus that has a lower daily death toll but which lasts for a longer period of time - making it more deadly overall, it has been claimed. Now SAGE scientists including chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance (left) are pushing for stricter lockdown rules that apply nationwide and argue that the whole country will have to be put under the strictest restrictions by mid-December. The forecast being circulated through Whitehall predicts deaths will hit 500 a day and 25,000 people could be in hospital with the virus by the end of November, after the UK's death toll passed 60,000 yesterday and the country recorded 357 more deaths A source told the Telegraph: 'It's going to be worse this time, more deaths. That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again.' Another said:'The latest Sage numbers are utterly bleak." Dr Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, today warned the rising death toll from Covid-19 was likely to 'continue for some time' because of the spike in cases. It can take infected patients several weeks to fall severely ill, meaning the consequences of Britain's spiralling outbreak are only just starting to be seen. But the number of deaths is still a far-cry away from the peak of the pandemic during the spring, when more than 9,400 patients died in the worst week. And to bring the figures into perspective, Covid-19 was only responsible for one in 16 total deaths in the UK in the most recent week, and flu and pneumonia killed twice as many people.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    National lockdown next week: Boris bows to scientists and is set to order new restrictions 'closing all but essential shops and schools from Wednesday until December 1' as experts warn deaths could hit 4,000 A DAY without action



    Boris Johnson is expected to announce a national lockdown next week after his scientific advisers told him it was the only way to save Christmas. Scientists from the Sage committee yesterday presented No 10 with bleak figures showing that Covid is spreading 'significantly' faster than even their original 'worst-case scenario' prediction. Last night a Cabinet source told the Mail that the dramatic move will be announced next week. Mr Johnson is expected to make the announcement on Monday, with the restrictions beginning on Wednesday. It is thought they could last until December 1. There were few details last night, but it is expected pubs and restaurants will be closed for weeks - causing further damage to the hospitality industry. Schools are expected to remain open. Another source claimed to The Times that non- essential shops would shut. The Prime Minister and Chancellor Rishi Sunak have agonised over the decision because of fears it would leave the economy in tatters. But the scientists - backed by Health Secretary Matt Hancock and senior minister Michael Gove - told them the virus was on track to kill 85,000 this winter, and that it was too late for a so-called 'circuit break'. They called for a longer national lockdown - similar to the month-long shutdown in France - saying it was the only way to stop hospitals from running out of beds. In a clear signal of the deep Government split on the issue, a Cabinet source said those opposed to a lockdown were 'not prepared to surrender'. The Mail has been told that Mr Johnson's No 10 team is also split, with an influential adviser understood to have warned him this week that a national lockdown was 'inevitable' - and delaying it could backfire on him.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319








    The fallout from Boris Johnson's weekend announcement continues to dominate many of Monday's front pages.

    The Daily Mirror says Christmas is "hanging in the balance" after Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove admitted the four-week lockdown in England could be extended if the country fails to "get a grip" on Covid-19.

    The Times suggests the new shutdown could last until next year, with a brief relaxation over the Christmas period for people to see their families.

    But cabinet ministers have told the paper that if the rate of transmissions remains high over the festive period, then "all bets are off".

    The Daily Telegraph says that up to 80 Conservatives are considering rebelling when the new measures are put to a vote in Parliament on Wednesday.

    It adds that MPs will also call on Mr Johnson to use the second lockdown to decide on a long-term strategy for living with the virus, which does not involve shutting down the economy again.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54774493
  • TedsonTedson Member Posts: 29
    edited November 2020
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/01/death-scenarios-used-government-justify-second-national-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1-scmo44_DMPxsoVObNryobx9adaqyUHDGmq5_SjqyCxAE4g6EPcOe7a4

    "At Saturday night's Downing Street press conference, scientists presented graphs suggesting England could see 4,000 daily deaths early next month.

    The scenario, from Cambridge University, was used as part of efforts to justify the introduction of sweeping restrictions. But data experts have questioned why the scenario – drawn up three weeks ago – was chosen to illustrate the crisis when the university has produced far more recent forecasts which are significantly lower.

    The modelling presented on Saturday is so out of date that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day. In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 on Saturday.

    The statistics unit at Cambridge has produced more up to date projections with far lower figures, The Telegraph can reveal.

    These forecasts, dated October 28 – three days before the Downing Street announcement – far more closely track the current situation, forecasting 240 daily deaths by next week and around 500 later this month."


    I find it hard to believe that this is just astonishing negligence on the part of Vallance, Whitty et al. It's like watching the Iraq War 'Dodgy Dossier' being compiled in front of our eyes. Of course not a peep about this from the BBC today.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 86,015
    edited November 2020
    @Tedson

    That's seriously naughty, though we should not be surprised I suppose given the lack of honesty demonstrated by so many in this corrupt government.

    Why not just present the true figures?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    Tedson said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/01/death-scenarios-used-government-justify-second-national-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1-scmo44_DMPxsoVObNryobx9adaqyUHDGmq5_SjqyCxAE4g6EPcOe7a4

    "At Saturday night's Downing Street press conference, scientists presented graphs suggesting England could see 4,000 daily deaths early next month.

    The scenario, from Cambridge University, was used as part of efforts to justify the introduction of sweeping restrictions. But data experts have questioned why the scenario – drawn up three weeks ago – was chosen to illustrate the crisis when the university has produced far more recent forecasts which are significantly lower.

    The modelling presented on Saturday is so out of date that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day. In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 on Saturday.

    The statistics unit at Cambridge has produced more up to date projections with far lower figures, The Telegraph can reveal.

    These forecasts, dated October 28 – three days before the Downing Street announcement – far more closely track the current situation, forecasting 240 daily deaths by next week and around 500 later this month."


    I find it hard to believe that this is just astonishing negligence on the part of Vallance, Whitty et al. It's like watching the Iraq War 'Dodgy Dossier' being compiled in front of our eyes. Of course not a peep about this from the BBC today.

    Was lockdown sold on a LIE? Vallance and Whitty face questions over claims 4,000 deaths graph should NOT have been used during PM's address because it is 'proven to be incorrect' and 'four weeks out of date'



    Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine Carl Heneghan (inset) said mathematically the graph (right) should not have been used to justify the new lockdown curbs (left, the PM today). The professor also told how coronavirus hospital admissions, cases and 'in effect' deaths are flatlining due to the measures currently in place across the country. It comes after Britain yesterday recorded its lowest number of daily Covid infections in a fortnight, on the same day Boris Johnson desperately tried to convince Tory MPs to back a draconian second lockdown. Department of Health figures showed 18,950 people tested positive for the disease - down 9.3 per cent in a week and the lowest since Monday, October 19 (18,804). The UK also saw another 136 coronavirus deaths - a rise of 33.3 per cent on the 102 lab-confirmed fatalities posted last week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8908503/Was-lockdown-sold-LIE-Oxford-scientist-says-4-000-deaths-graph-NOT-used.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    Calling the Boffins' bluff: How No10's experts manipulated data and drew biased conclusions to 'terrify' England into locking down, writes ROSS CLARK



    t was the Halloween horror no one had been expecting: a series of mind-boggling graphs and charts presented at Saturday's Downing Street press conference that purported to show the Covid-19 pandemic was out of control and a second national lockdown was needed. But do the graphs and charts really support this? ROSS CLARK find outs... This chart was designed to show that some hospitals - shown in red - already had more Covid-19 patients than at the peak of the first wave in the spring (pictured top). For while 29 hospitals are shown on the slide, the full dataset, published by NHS England, actually includes 482 NHS and private hospitals in England - at least 232 of which (and probably more as some entries were left blank) had not a single Covid-19 patient on October 27 (pictured bottom left). Chris Whitty unveiled two charts showing where in England Covid-19 infections were increasing (pictured bottom right), with brown and yellow zones highlighting where cases were up and blue showing they were down. One slide - based on data from tests on a randomised sample of the population - showed 'the prevalence of the disease has been going up extremely rapidly over the past few weeks' (pictued top right). However, the chart actually suggested that the rate was no longer increasing exponentially, contrary to what Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser, predicted in his briefing of September 14.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8907339/How-No10s-experts-shamelessly-manipulated-data-terrify-England-locking-down.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    Tikay10 said:

    @Tedson

    That's seriously naughty, though we should not be surprised I suppose given the lack of honesty demonstrated by so many in this corrupt government.

    Why not just present the true figures?

    Why not just be honest?

    I am certain that the British public would be much more forgiving of a government that owned up to making mistakes, rather than one that lied through their teeth at every opportunity.

    The PMs first instinct always seems to be to lie, rather than tell the truth.

    When this is all over I think Boris will be sunk.

    Matt Hancock may well be still in his job because he is the favourite to become the scapegoat.

    Gavin Williams seems to have been self isolating since the exam fiasco.

    Pritti Patel is a hateful woman.

    Liz Truss is a fool.

    They are just a shower of sh1t.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 13,319
    Tedson said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/01/death-scenarios-used-government-justify-second-national-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1-scmo44_DMPxsoVObNryobx9adaqyUHDGmq5_SjqyCxAE4g6EPcOe7a4

    "At Saturday night's Downing Street press conference, scientists presented graphs suggesting England could see 4,000 daily deaths early next month.

    The scenario, from Cambridge University, was used as part of efforts to justify the introduction of sweeping restrictions. But data experts have questioned why the scenario – drawn up three weeks ago – was chosen to illustrate the crisis when the university has produced far more recent forecasts which are significantly lower.

    The modelling presented on Saturday is so out of date that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day. In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 on Saturday.

    The statistics unit at Cambridge has produced more up to date projections with far lower figures, The Telegraph can reveal.

    These forecasts, dated October 28 – three days before the Downing Street announcement – far more closely track the current situation, forecasting 240 daily deaths by next week and around 500 later this month."


    I find it hard to believe that this is just astonishing negligence on the part of Vallance, Whitty et al. It's like watching the Iraq War 'Dodgy Dossier' being compiled in front of our eyes. Of course not a peep about this from the BBC today.

    I am not sure if they did this because they are stupid, or because they think we are stupid.

    How did they think they would get way with it?
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,012
    HAYSIE said:

    Tedson said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/01/death-scenarios-used-government-justify-second-national-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1-scmo44_DMPxsoVObNryobx9adaqyUHDGmq5_SjqyCxAE4g6EPcOe7a4

    "At Saturday night's Downing Street press conference, scientists presented graphs suggesting England could see 4,000 daily deaths early next month.

    The scenario, from Cambridge University, was used as part of efforts to justify the introduction of sweeping restrictions. But data experts have questioned why the scenario – drawn up three weeks ago – was chosen to illustrate the crisis when the university has produced far more recent forecasts which are significantly lower.

    The modelling presented on Saturday is so out of date that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day. In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 on Saturday.

    The statistics unit at Cambridge has produced more up to date projections with far lower figures, The Telegraph can reveal.

    These forecasts, dated October 28 – three days before the Downing Street announcement – far more closely track the current situation, forecasting 240 daily deaths by next week and around 500 later this month."


    I find it hard to believe that this is just astonishing negligence on the part of Vallance, Whitty et al. It's like watching the Iraq War 'Dodgy Dossier' being compiled in front of our eyes. Of course not a peep about this from the BBC today.

    I am not sure if they did this because they are stupid, or because they think we are stupid.

    How did they think they would get way with it?
    Because their experience of Brexit..we have to conclude they think we, the British public are stupid...it worked then!
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,012
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,012
    Says it all really...Did I also read that TWATHANCOCK is a shareholder in a company that received a huge Covid related contract recently...getting sick of them all


  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,012
    Last one..I wouldn't want anyone to think I hate this Tory govt....trust me, my feelings are much stronger than that!


  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,012
    deffo last one...

    Halloween(sic) was a day when 327 people didn't know that Christmas in 2019 would be their last.
    One thing that is clear tonight is that whatever happens from now on and into the coming weeks and months, is that there is nobody that Boris Johnson can blame for this but himself. This needs to be made absolutely clear.

    When the science said, “act” - Boris Johnson responded by saying no.
    When Opposition said, “act” - Boris Johnson responded by saying no.
    When businesses, the unemployed, and people 'Left Behind' in the North said, “support us” - Boris Johnson responded by saying no.

    The warnings have been clear from the beginning. He did not act. He has responded now more or less the exact same way as he responded in March – with complacency, with delay, with hubris and with blind conceit, and having learned nothing reveals a lifelong and innate ability to fail to listen when people tell him to do something important.

    Then when leadership, when vision and direction is needed the most, it is replaced by a feckless total lack of responsibility, obstinate stupidity and incompetence.
    'If only there had been some warning signs...'
    'When I said that a national lockdown was a terrible idea, what I really meant was...'

    Both in his failure to act sooner and in his u-turn in introducing another national lockdown [and make no mistake, that's what this is – not Tier 4, or “tough new national measures] - despite weeks of saying that the Tier system was the best way forward, by having his own kakistocratic, sycophantic fellow incompetent ministers repeat the line, by throwing money continually towards failed private services, by reneging on support for businesses, communities and the most vulnerable sections of society that need support the most only to perform the most violent u-turn by this Government yet in extending the furlough scheme, and by ultimately not following the scientific guidance, Boris Johnson has not only revealed his ineptitude, but also his arrogance and overarching churlishness, of which no pseudo-Churchillian warlike jingoism will ever successfully hide or veil just how much of a vacillating imposter he truly is.

    A fraud, above all else – pretending to be leader.

    But it's more simple than that, because what Johnson offers us now is too little, and too late. What it reveals is the mentality of an individual who never understood the value of starting something sooner so that he could finish earlier. This is uncharacteristic of managers in less successful professions let alone in the role of Prime Minister.
    And how many lives lost, I wonder. How many preventable deaths. How many more failures to act will we have to endure before the good people of the UK finally wake up and see that this half-baked tragedy of a man – he hasn't done 'a good job all things considered'. He is useless.

    "Alas", we will only see this in hindsight. In the days, weeks, months – perhaps even years to come, we will look back at these crucial moments when it could have mattered, and then remember of course that at the time when we needed a leader who actually cared about this country, instead we were led by Happy Meal, quick fix politics of the lowest common denominator, voted on the basis of apathy and unwillingness to think for ourselves, and an unprecedented laziness towards reality, that resulted in a collective nervous breakdown and resulted in the United Kingdom – so called “Great” Britain, electing Boris Johnson.

    There exists only one three word slogan that seems appropriate now. It's a simple one as well. Boris has failed.

    More damaging though could have been a question that no journalist asked of the Prime Minister. It was a simple one, too.

    “Now that you're finally following the science, would you consider yourself a shameless opportunist like Keir Starmer?”
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