Saying that the RNG is programmed to give certain outcomes is saying that the site is CORRUPT. You don't actually have to use the word. IMPLICATION is more than enough to see your sad a55 dragged through the courts if Sky so wished. I have neither the patience or the crayons to explain it to you further.
Oh and as for your jibe "Preacher Man", I'm willing to bet that my assertations regarding God draw more respect than your total bullcr4p about the RNG.
Sky's RNG manipulates the deck to let the lesser player win more often/lose less quickly? (depending on who is regged, OBVS they know who the best player is) but they are NOT corrput? Correct?
BTW, if you were correct & you are 'on to them' - do you think they'd continually let you post your nonsense theories on their OWN forum? Think about that for 1 minute.
You are a complete fool & the more you post, the more everyone laughs at you.
My last post on this thread, because I'm 50/50 on whether the whole thing is a huge troll, in which case, wp u win
Yawn.... the casino games they have are not random and work 'on a percentage return', as in the small print.... im taking it you consider that corrupt too..... or corrput....
imo the sites dont rig the games, but as evidence from the past has shown, there are lotsa shadey characters in poker/gambling........
cheating in various forms exists, no one can deny that, from a players pov, thats most likely in the form of sharing hole card information at the table or swapping notes on players with a group of friends, maybe not that serious but it still puts some folks at a disadvantage and everyone remembers the more serious cheating of super users on ulitmate bet.....can anyone be 100% certain such things dont happen nowadays?
I mean there are hackers who have hacked the pentagon and major banking groups etc, im pretty sure they have better security than sky, stars, party, 888 or gg.
the question being posed in this thread should be, how long would "cheating" go undetected? not ; are sites rigging the game to generate more rake?
......... i remember a good few years ago reading a post from barry greenstein, talking about his computer science nephew changing the turn and river card as it was being dealt, he was taking about some random poker app, and the point he was making was about telling folk to stick with stars because they have the security to identify shadey stuff like that and stop it from happening. I alway wondered if that was why huge guaranteed tourneys used to sporadically freeze on stars.
In my wee life experience, I have come to the conclusion that when money is involved, there is always someone trying to scam it.
is there serious "cheating" going on in poker?
The crazy folks and losing players think so, the addicts hope not or simply dont care and winning players all say no way, its all about my skillz.
The truth is no one really knows, we just have to trust the sites to identify anythiing dodgy............and if you cant or wont trust the sites you are playing on, then you really need to stop playing because the anxiety and paranoia will start to negatively impact your life away from the tables.
ps. I think i should post rants mare often, time to grab my tin hat, or was that tin foil hat.
All i have ever asked is; how on earth do you explain certain moves and wins. This post covers what everyone must have thought at some time. To pretend you have never seen such things, as some vastly experienced players on here claim, this just adds to the feeling something is being kept quiet.....
imo the sites dont rig the games, but as evidence from the past has shown, there are lotsa shadey characters in poker/gambling........
cheating in various forms exists, no one can deny that, from a players pov, thats most likely in the form of sharing hole card information at the table or swapping notes on players with a group of friends, maybe not that serious but it still puts some folks at a disadvantage and everyone remembers the more serious cheating of super users on ulitmate bet.....can anyone be 100% certain such things dont happen nowadays?
I mean there are hackers who have hacked the pentagon and major banking groups etc, im pretty sure they have better security than sky, stars, party, 888 or gg.
the question being posed in this thread should be, how long would "cheating" go undetected? not ; are sites rigging the game to generate more rake?
......... i remember a good few years ago reading a post from barry greenstein, talking about his computer science nephew changing the turn and river card as it was being dealt, he was taking about some random poker app, and the point he was making was about telling folk to stick with stars because they have the security to identify shadey stuff like that and stop it from happening. I alway wondered if that was why huge guaranteed tourneys used to sporadically freeze on stars.
In my wee life experience, I have come to the conclusion that when money is involved, there is always someone trying to scam it.
is there serious "cheating" going on in poker?
The crazy folks and losing players think so, the addicts hope not or simply dont care and winning players all say no way, its all about my skillz.
The truth is no one really knows, we just have to trust the sites to identify anythiing dodgy............and if you cant or wont trust the sites you are playing on, then you really need to stop playing because the anxiety and paranoia will start to negatively impact your life away from the tables.
ps. I think i should post rants mare often, time to grab my tin hat, or was that tin foil hat.
All i have ever asked is; how on earth do you explain certain moves and wins. This post covers what everyone must have thought at some time. To pretend you have never seen such things, as some vastly experienced players on here claim, this just adds to the feeling something is being kept quiet.....
ANYTHING can happen in Poker .......and does. Whether it's LIVE or ONLINE
......except getting Five ACES ......that only happens in Films
Anything can happen in poker its true. Online thats far more likely though isnt it. Even the sites admit it. Ive had 3 royal flushes in 40mins. Its explained away by one line, that all poker sites use...'you see more hands online'. Thats the only explanation given.
Trouble with that is, some of the hands ive posted, like flopping quads, getting called all in by a pair... and them turn and river better quads... has never been seen by Phil Helmuth, as his book 'bad beats and lucky draws' features far more likely hands than this.
Im pretty sure Phil has 'seen more hands' than me in his time......
Which brings up the question. Do you think a similar book with 'amazing' hands purely from an online deck, would attract any sales at all!?
Would anyone find that a thing worth reading? Helmuths offering, gets you in a mindset of 'wow can you imagine playing that hand, with those players in that setting'.
A player bringing out an online version would just hold no credability, people would not be surprised by any described hand of any sort.
I think the moderator asked the question after my very first post, to remind him of the difference between an online deck and real deck.... well this book and the possibility of an online version kind of answers this, doesnt it?
Which brings up the question. Do you think a similar book with 'amazing' hands purely from an online deck, would attract any sales at all!?
Would anyone find that a thing worth reading? Helmuths offering, gets you in a mindset of 'wow can you imagine playing that hand, with those players in that setting'.
A player bringing out an online version would just hold no credability, people would not be surprised by any described hand of any sort.
I think the moderator asked the question after my very first post, to remind him of the difference between an online deck and real deck.... well this book and the possibility of an online version kind of answers this, doesnt it?
No, it doesn't answer the question at all.
No serious online player would read either of the books you mention. The only reason that book exists is to build on Phil's brand as a whiny, entitled player. No seasoned online player cares about bad beats or rigtard theories.
Im pretty sure Phil has 'seen more hands' than me in his time......
maybe not 2.4k games HU online will be more hands than him playing a few full ring mtts per year for 30 years
I'm glad John has posted on this thread ........I'm pretty sure John has seen far more hands than you T'Waddy .....and seen everything that the RNG has had to throw at him ...... but have you ever seen him complain about a Bad Beat??
Noooooooooo ..... 'coz he makes a very nice profit from playing online Poker
Just enjoy the game ......unless like Keith @goldnballz says, you are a troll 'on the wind-up' .....in which case you've defo WON
Im pretty sure Phil has 'seen more hands' than me in his time......
maybe not 2.4k games HU online will be more hands than him playing a few full ring mtts per year for 30 years
I'm glad John has posted on this thread ........I'm pretty sure John has seen far more hands than you T'Waddy .....and seen everything that the RNG has had to throw at him ...... but have you ever seen him complain about a Bad Beat??
Noooooooooo ..... 'coz he makes a very nice profit from playing online Poker
Just enjoy the game ......unless like Keith @goldnballz says, you are a troll 'on the wind-up' .....in which case you've defo WON
Im pretty sure Phil has 'seen more hands' than me in his time......
maybe not 2.4k games HU online will be more hands than him playing a few full ring mtts per year for 30 years
I had no idea i was a vastly more experienced poker player than 16 WSOP bracelet winner Phil Helmuth
Bean81 No serious player would read the book.... who on earth is buying it then, non poker players!?? How very odd.... Oh and 'rigtard theories'... How very PC of you!
misty4Me said; Noooooooooo ..... 'coz he makes a very nice profit from playing online Poker
Again, the vast majority of highly succesful poker players have sold their soul in their seeking of site sponsorship/ambassador status.
Green-Beer said; Then every thread descends into a bunch of personal insults
Yes i agree, even the christians can not keep it to a poker discussion... its a disappointing bunch, who continue to let themselves down when they have no other input or opinion that relates to poker. Some even use the term 'rigtard' in this day and age.... But they seem to like each other, despite all their dodgy lifestyles and terminology.... Not my cup of tea
I don't have anything to add to this delightfully entertaining thread, but I do want to wish @TheWaddy the best of luck in his quest to understand variance.
The WIkipedia page might be a good starting point if you're struggling to find useful educational resources. I've linked to the Simple English version of Wikipedia for your convenience.
I don't have anything to add to this delightfully entertaining thread, but I do want to wish @TheWaddy the best of luck in his quest to understand variance.
The WIkipedia page might be a good starting point if you're struggling to find useful educational resources. I've linked to the Simple English version of Wikipedia for your convenience.
He needs the big crayola wax crayon version, not sure it's available outside of VTech spell and speak.
Ok hands up time I am indeed in a deal with sky to win, also pokerstars, GG poker, Unibet, paddy power.
It was in 2010 I was picked at random for a phone call where all the major poker sites (including party poker, Unibet and full tilt) called me at random to be a winning player on there site.
I told them I did not know the rules... they simply replied just get it in with the worst hand and you will win more often... of course I sold my soul and agreed.
I was winning at a huge clip 100s of thousands of dollars per week... I decided why not study and learn the game... as I got better and got it in with the better hand more often my winning shrunk.
Something like that... or it might be the other way around.
(I may or may not be in a private contract with sites to win money) You decide. I guess the lure of Danny from the midlands winning some money on there site has some alternative motive to make them more money in the long run
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Saying that the RNG is programmed to give certain outcomes is saying that the site is CORRUPT. You don't actually have to use the word.
IMPLICATION is more than enough to see your sad a55 dragged through the courts if Sky so wished.
I have neither the patience or the crayons to explain it to you further.
Oh and as for your jibe "Preacher Man", I'm willing to bet that my assertations regarding God draw more respect than your total bullcr4p about the RNG.
Have a blessed day now buddy.
Sky's RNG manipulates the deck to let the lesser player win more often/lose less quickly? (depending on who is regged, OBVS they know who the best player is) but they are NOT corrput? Correct?
BTW, if you were correct & you are 'on to them' - do you think they'd continually let you post your nonsense theories on their OWN forum? Think about that for 1 minute.
You are a complete fool & the more you post, the more everyone laughs at you.
My last post on this thread, because I'm 50/50 on whether the whole thing is a huge troll, in which case, wp u win
Yawn.... the casino games they have are not random and work 'on a percentage return', as in the small print.... im taking it you consider that corrupt too..... or corrput....
......except getting Five ACES ......that only happens in Films
Trouble with that is, some of the hands ive posted, like flopping quads, getting called all in by a pair... and them turn and river better quads... has never been seen by Phil Helmuth, as his book 'bad beats and lucky draws' features far more likely hands than this.
Im pretty sure Phil has 'seen more hands' than me in his time......
Would anyone find that a thing worth reading? Helmuths offering, gets you in a mindset of 'wow can you imagine playing that hand, with those players in that setting'.
A player bringing out an online version would just hold no credability, people would not be surprised by any described hand of any sort.
I think the moderator asked the question after my very first post, to remind him of the difference between an online deck and real deck.... well this book and the possibility of an online version kind of answers this, doesnt it?
All these hands are part of the spectrum but ..FFS why do i get involved with thick planks of wood, my low IQ doesn't need to be taxed any more.
maybe not 2.4k games HU online will be more hands than him playing a few full ring mtts per year for 30 years
No serious online player would read either of the books you mention. The only reason that book exists is to build on Phil's brand as a whiny, entitled player. No seasoned online player cares about bad beats or rigtard theories.
Noooooooooo ..... 'coz he makes a very nice profit from playing online Poker
Just enjoy the game ......unless like Keith @goldnballz says, you are a troll 'on the wind-up' .....in which case you've defo WON
GOOD LUCK
You must not have shared many tables with John
Bean81 No serious player would read the book.... who on earth is buying it then, non poker players!?? How very odd.... Oh and 'rigtard theories'... How very PC of you!
misty4Me said; Noooooooooo ..... 'coz he makes a very nice profit from playing online Poker
Again, the vast majority of highly succesful poker players have sold their soul in their seeking of site sponsorship/ambassador status.
Green-Beer said; Then every thread descends into a bunch of personal insults
Yes i agree, even the christians can not keep it to a poker discussion... its a disappointing bunch, who continue to let themselves down when they have no other input or opinion that relates to poker. Some even use the term 'rigtard' in this day and age.... But they seem to like each other, despite all their dodgy lifestyles and terminology.... Not my cup of tea
The WIkipedia page might be a good starting point if you're struggling to find useful educational resources. I've linked to the Simple English version of Wikipedia for your convenience.
He needs the big crayola wax crayon version, not sure it's available outside of VTech spell and speak.
It was in 2010 I was picked at random for a phone call where all the major poker sites (including party poker, Unibet and full tilt) called me at random to be a winning player on there site.
I told them I did not know the rules... they simply replied just get it in with the worst hand and you will win more often... of course I sold my soul and agreed.
I was winning at a huge clip 100s of thousands of dollars per week... I decided why not study and learn the game... as I got better and got it in with the better hand more often my winning shrunk.
Something like that... or it might be the other way around.
(I may or may not be in a private contract with sites to win money) You decide. I guess the lure of Danny from the midlands winning some money on there site has some alternative motive to make them more money in the long run
What's that LUMP in your cheek Danny? ....... I hope it's your TONGUE