In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : Yes, but yr wrong i'm afraid. Of course it's personal choice and whatever you choose cannot be wrong for you..... but pokerwise and mathematically it's a bad fold. 1) if you don't get his money someone else will..... and very soon...... certainly before you get dealt AA/KK 2) we have proved that we have a minimum of 60% equity...... this is massive in nlhe. I would quite happily take this double up spot all day and every day with 60% equity and i have absolutely no idea why anyone would turn it down????? Poker is a game of averages and if you get allin with an average equity of 60% or more you'll soon be retiring oh and 3)......... ther are soooooooted!!!!! Posted by cottlad
Lets not go into the sooooted business again - still having nightmares from that guy this afternoon hitting everything sooooooted!! Hope you managed to take him down in the end mate!!
IMO AJ even s is not that hot a hand!!! Only way this is a good call is if you can see that he has Q7 and not assume...Might only be cash but it's for all of your evenings work, I'd rather have suited connectors TBH rather than A high. Also this guy is a cardrack (for the night at least) he's already sucked out on you numerous times tonight with cr@p cards Just like the villain I'd rather shove my stack first than call my stack off with AJ...simples Still a fold for me boys x Posted by TRIP5
please don't heed any of the above advice if you aim to become a winning poker player..... if you're already winning i don't need to tell you that
IMO AJ even s is not that hot a hand!!! Only way this is a good call is if you can see that he has Q7 and not assume...Might only be cash but it's for all of your evenings work, I'd rather have suited connectors TBH rather than A high. Also this guy is a cardrack (for the night at least) he's already sucked out on you numerous times tonight with cr@p cards Just like the villain I'd rather shove my stack first than call my stack off with AJ...simples Still a fold for me boys x Posted by TRIP5
ace high is nicely ahead of his range... suited cons are not! When you talk about getting your stack in first it is because you have the added advantage of them folding... i dont want him to fold i want him to call and me be a 60% favourite.
The villain started off shoving every hand, then check folded a couple of hands and then started shoving again for a while... i think he was just bored and wanted to keep shoving or something and gamble to keep himself entertained... his pattern of play was to shove every hand until he was called (then he sucked out) and would fold a couple, then shove every hand again... he done this over and over again, i was really worried that someone else would take him out so when i had AJs in BB and everyone folded to his shove i snap called... it was a great chance to get my money in as a 60% favourite for almost a 500BB pot! My read on him was that i was on average 60% favourite. now to add to this discussion... if he is shoving as i feel with any ace, king, pair, some queens, some suited cons... then what should you call with? i feel A9+ and 88+... Posted by BlackFish3
I will post the result tomorrow because i feel it will make people's oppinions who haven't yet posted results orientated... if he had a better hand preflop then people might lean towards fold, if he had a weaker hand preflop then people might lean towards call.
In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : in this spot...unmade hand. 66 is more easily crushed than AJss. Even if he shows KK vs AJss then you are about 32% to win. If he shows KK vs your 66 then you are 20% to win. And double lol at using terms like card rack etc. Cash poker is about taking every equity advantage possible. From our reads AJ is gonna have very very good equity. Posted by scotty77
I think what you are saying here is right but i would rather stick all my cash in on my terms so that if i loose its a bad beat so i dont feel as bad lol.
In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : please don't heed any of the above advice if you aim to become a winning poker player..... if you're already winning i don't need to tell you that Posted by cottlad
Cotty,
It's an opinion not advice. With my money I would fold with my stack intact rather than gamble...guess it's the nit in me eh?
In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : in this spot...unmade hand. 66 is more easily crushed than AJss. Even if he shows KK vs AJss then you are about 32% to win. If he shows KK vs your 66 then you are 20% to win. And double lol at using terms like card rack etc. Cash poker is about taking every equity advantage possible. From our reads AJ is gonna have very very good equity. Posted by scotty77
I love cardrack...much better term than 'hitting his varience' )
Hes not shoving every hand you ignorant people. Hes shoving selected hands. Reads the posts.. And to anyone who actually knows, whats the rake % on 4NL cash on sky.
To me his range is any ace, any pair, any king, a lot of queens and suited connecting hands... so that makes it a profitable call... so if its a profitable call why would i fold? i dont want anyone else taking his money before i can. Posted by BlackFish3
This is the best post of yours i've read mate. Keep thinking like this for cash
Have to admit, started writing a post and including stoves and stuff but meh just cawl if he's open shoving greater than 15-20% of the time it's a snappety snap.
DONT post the results, every so often he will have a hand, that's poker.
In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : I think what you are saying here is right but i would rather stick all my cash in on my terms so that if i loose its a bad beat so i dont feel as bad lol. I'm still not making any sense am i lol Posted by AIRWALKER
It is always on your terms that the money is going in, hence you have to be able to justify your actions. When you are sitting at a cash table you are looking to make money. If someone wants to go all in every hand then you should be there to capitalise and take the good bets that are on offer.
This is his pattern of play: Shoved with Q9s and sucked out first hand joined the table. Plays loose passive for 4 hands Shoves Loose passive 2 hands Shoves Loose passive 1 hand Shoves next 4 hands in a row Loose passive next 6 hands Shoves next 2 hands in a row
When he shoved he had AK, rag aces, rag kings, Q9s and KK. He lost every pot he didn't shove in so my impression of him is a player that tries to play with the stack he builds up... gets bored very quickly and so shoves until he gets called and either goes bust or doubles up and then plays on until he once again gets bored and repeats...
From this I feel that you can put him on the range of any ace, any king, any pair, some queens and some suited cons mixed in. AJs beats this range and so that is why I called.
In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : It is always on your terms that the money is going in, hence you have to be able to justify your actions. When you are sitting at a cash table you are looking to make money. If someone wants to go all in every hand then you should be there to capitalise and take the good bets that are on offer. Posted by beaneh
Dont you think that it was too much of a risk though? Is that hand really goon enough, i mean, its sort of well loosable and more gambling than playing the game to me but i'm not saying your wrong.
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If i am wrong at least i wont loose all my dosh and ignorance is indeed bliss lol. He defo should fold.
Cheers Scotty
Airwalker
Just a quick question before I reply to that comment. whats skys cash game rake %?
Just trying to help blind pensioners across the road...... probably more fun to watch them dodge the traffic though
I'm still not making any sense am i lol
It's an opinion not advice. With my money I would fold with my stack intact rather than gamble...guess it's the nit in me eh?
Either way - for me...still a fold!
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Shoved with Q9s and sucked out first hand joined the table.
Plays loose passive for 4 hands
Shoves
Loose passive 2 hands
Shoves
Loose passive 1 hand
Shoves next 4 hands in a row
Loose passive next 6 hands
Shoves next 2 hands in a row
When he shoved he had AK, rag aces, rag kings, Q9s and KK. He lost every pot he didn't shove in so my impression of him is a player that tries to play with the stack he builds up... gets bored very quickly and so shoves until he gets called and either goes bust or doubles up and then plays on until he once again gets bored and repeats...
From this I feel that you can put him on the range of any ace, any king, any pair, some queens and some suited cons mixed in. AJs beats this range and so that is why I called.