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Cash players... please resolve this argument for me:

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  • Eagle26Eagle26 Member Posts: 431
    edited February 2010

    lol I actually can't believe this thread is so long! basically just gonna echo what many are sayin this is a CALL all day long!! I had a very similar situation few weeks back on where some geezer joined the table went all-in EVERY hand with absolute any old junk! got lucky and doubled up a few times!. i was BB my hole cards A7 offsuit he pushed again every1 folded i snap called and took down a nice pot with ace high (he had q4) .... so was this the right call? obviously to some it wont be! but to me i had an extremley good feelin that my ace would be good here as im now effectively heads up against someone shovin any 2 and wanted to try and grab the free money on offer! if he had me dominated so be it, id just reload and try to get him after! sittin and waitin for the premium hands is the wrong play here simply because the player wont be around long enough for you to get them because somebody else on your table will have already took him out!  webby your a top bloke and a good player and i can definatly understand what your tryin to say however your not a cash player and this is soooooo a call buddy

  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    lol I actually can't believe this thread is so long! basically just gonna echo what many are sayin this is a CALL all day long!! I had a very similar situation few weeks back on where some geezer joined the table went all-in EVERY hand with absolute any old junk! got lucky and doubled up a few times!. i was BB my hole cards A7 offsuit he pushed again every1 folded i snap called and took down a nice pot with ace high (he had q4) .... so was this the right call? obviously to some it wont be! but to me i had an extremley good feelin that my ace would be good here as im now heads up against someone shovin any 2 (and any1 that plays heads up will know you dont throw aces away lightly) and wanted to try and grab the free money on offer! if he had me dominated so be it, id just reload and try to get him after! sittin and waitin for the premium hands is the wrong play here simply because the player wont be around long enough for you to get them because somebody else on your table will have already took him out!  webby your a top bloke and a good player and i can definatly understand what your tryin to say however your not a cash player and this is soooooo a call buddy
    Posted by Eagle26
    If he is shoving 100% every hand, then its a call with A7o, you are 58.841% against any 2 cards with A7o... if he is shoving most hands but not all then this is probably a fold.
  • heapey0015heapey0015 Member Posts: 26
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : I thought you said he was shoving EVERY hand? Even with the tightened range above it's still an easy call..... anyone who disagrees is wrong i'm afraid (not often i stick my neck out that far.)
    Posted by cottlad
    fold  move  to diff  table gl
  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    THIS THREAD IS AWESOME!!!!  AHAHAHHAHAHAAH Webby have you been placed here to be on windups 24/7 or are you just a prize plonker? BTW DYM's are the simplest most excruciating format of poker there is, with the least skill physically possible.
    Posted by beaneh
    you say this like its a bad thing!! this is how ive made a nice profit and ive only been playing the game a few months. ;)
  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : you say this like its a bad thing!! this is how ive made a nice profit and ive only been playing the game a few months. ;)
    Posted by donkeyplop
    i think dyms are the best way to learn the game whilst minimising losses. Its easy to pick up the basics and almost impossible to go bust if you have at like 10+ BIs. They are easy, simple and you can grind out a steady profit... however they aren't as profitable as playing cash... hence why i am trying to make the move to cash!
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,831
    edited February 2010
    jeeeze wish i never went the match now look what i missed,plus sky and me are losing money cuz its took me 1/2 hr to read this thread.ida check raised,re-raised fold n cried,reload n cried sum more so who won then yeah n its took me ten minutes to write this think i better go now well done
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : you say this like its a bad thing!! this is how ive made a nice profit and ive only been playing the game a few months. ;)
    Posted by donkeyplop

    It's a bad thing for me because I don't like folding, each to their own. And it's surely better to play an hours worth of DYMs over 10 mins of cash if the results for dyms will be better than your cash ones :)
  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited February 2010
    yeah i only play as a hobby not purely to make money (while avoiding losing money) so with dyms i get more play for my money i guess :)
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    yeah i only play as a hobby not purely to make money (while avoiding losing money) so with dyms i get more play for my money i guess :)
    Posted by donkeyplop
    I prefer to choose when I loosen up rather than being forced into it by constricting blinds. Similarly I like to be able to walk away from the game whenever I want rather than being tied in. Each to their own :)
  • KnackersYaKnackersYa Member Posts: 468
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : I prefer to choose when I loosen up rather than being forced into it by constricting blinds. Similarly I like to be able to walk away from the game whenever I want rather than being tied in. Each to their own :)
    Posted by beaneh
    So you prefer cash to tournaments then?
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: : So you prefer cash to tournaments then?
    Posted by KnackersYa

    I play alot of MTTs but main game is cash. Single table tournies do my head in for the reasons explained.
  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    Where have all the apples gone?
    Posted by dantb10
     
    My analogy really didn't go far enough, sorry.  :-)

    In reality there are several other greengrocers further down the street,
    They are all offering the same deal with varying proportions of red and green apples.
    The further away the greengrocer is, the bigger the ratio of red apples to green apples is.
    There is even a really generous greengrocer who has 8.5 red apples and 1.5 apples but he is quite a distance away. We could be really patient and wait until we get there but sadly the £1 coins will have been dropping through a hole in our pocket all the time that we are walking there. As a bonus, there is a chance that every few hundred yards a generous soul gives us £5/£10 to make up for the coins we are dropping.

    In my opinion it's OK for people who like to gamble less to wait until they get to the furthest greengrocer provided they are not worried about the fact that it is quite likely he will be closed when we get there or that we won't have enough money to take advantage of his offer when we get there. These people are quite confident that a similar offer will be available on another day and that they will make it to the most generous greengrocer when the offer is still available. I don't see any problem with them doing this. We don't all have to visit the same greengrocers.

  • dav1964dav1964 Member Posts: 2,526
    edited February 2010
    Yes but do you personally prefer RED or GREEN apples mere?
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: :   My analogy really didn't go far enough, sorry.  :-) In reality there are several other greengrocers further down the street, They are all offering the same deal with varying proportions of red and green apples. The further away the greengrocer is, the bigger the ratio of red apples to green apples is. There is even a really generous greengrocer who has 8.5 red apples and 1.5 apples but he is quite a distance away. We could be really patient and wait until we get there but sadly the £1 coins will have been dropping through a hole in our pocket all the time that we are walking there. As a bonus, there is a chance that every few hundred yards a generous soul gives us £5/£10 to make up for the coins we are dropping. In my opinion it's OK for people who like to gamble less to wait until they get to the furthest greengrocer provided they are not worried about the fact that it is quite likely he will be closed when we get there or that we won't have enough money to take advantage of his offer when we get there. These people are quite confident that a similar offer will be available on another day and that they will make it to the most generous greengrocer when the offer is still available. I don't see any problem with them doing this. We don't all have to visit the same greengrocers.
    Posted by MereNovice

    You never heard of supermarkets novice? You can buy whatever you want from them!!!
  • TRIP5TRIP5 Member Posts: 3,618
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me: :   My analogy really didn't go far enough, sorry.  :-) In reality there are several other greengrocers further down the street, They are all offering the same deal with varying proportions of red and green apples. The further away the greengrocer is, the bigger the ratio of red apples to green apples is. There is even a really generous greengrocer who has 8.5 red apples and 1.5 apples but he is quite a distance away. We could be really patient and wait until we get there but sadly the £1 coins will have been dropping through a hole in our pocket all the time that we are walking there. As a bonus, there is a chance that every few hundred yards a generous soul gives us £5/£10 to make up for the coins we are dropping. In my opinion it's OK for people who like to gamble less to wait until they get to the furthest greengrocer provided they are not worried about the fact that it is quite likely he will be closed when we get there or that we won't have enough money to take advantage of his offer when we get there. These people are quite confident that a similar offer will be available on another day and that they will make it to the most generous greengrocer when the offer is still available. I don't see any problem with them doing this. We don't all have to visit the same greengrocers.
    Posted by MereNovice
    You're brilliant :o)

    x
  • big_mick12big_mick12 Member Posts: 210
    edited February 2010
    lol at mere novice think that post should put this thread to bed now it gone on far to long
  • cottladcottlad Member Posts: 439
    edited February 2010
    My greengrocer analogy was to try and make people understand ranges, pot odds and winning popositions....  If you still dont understand i can make it simpler yet because you still want to wait for the best offer from yr greengrocer......  Maybe this will go in and you'll 'get it.' :

    If you want to have multiple greengrocers and really want to get a close comparison you will need a street FULL of grocers..... every house!  100 grocers in a row........  All the grocers are offering the same offer but with different amounts of apples........ They each offer you only 1 attempt for £5 but you dont know before you get to each 1 what the ratio of red-green apples will be.  Also, if u refuse the bet and move to the next grocer you can't go back.  So..... maybe now you can see that each grocer is just the same as each separate hand...... so....  you know along the road you will be offered some bets of 50/50, some 60/40, some 40/60,some 80/20, some 20/80 eytc etc etc..... the 1st grocer is offering you a DYM bet at odds of 6/4 in your facour...... do ou give him yr fiver?

    1) please say yes
    2) please tell me you understand now........ i grow weary :/
  • SpikeladSpikelad Member Posts: 406
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    lol at mere novice think that post should put this thread to bed now it gone on far to long
    Posted by big_mick12
    Mick i think there is life in this post yet,in fact i would like to see this hand analysed on Sky and see what our poker experts think about it.
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    please tell me you understand now........ i grow weary :/
    Posted by cottlad




    hahaahahahahahahhaa
  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Cash players... please resolve this argument for me::
    My greengrocer analogy was to try and make people understand ranges, pot odds and winning popositions....  If you still dont understand i can make it simpler yet because you still want to wait for the best offer from yr greengrocer......  Maybe this will go in and you'll 'get it.' : If you want to have multiple greengrocers and really want to get a close comparison you will need a street FULL of grocers..... every house!  100 grocers in a row........  All the grocers are offering the same offer but with different amounts of apples........ They each offer you only 1 attempt for £5 but you dont know before you get to each 1 what the ratio of red-green apples will be.  Also, if u refuse the bet and move to the next grocer you can't go back.  So..... maybe now you can see that each grocer is just the same as each separate hand...... so....  you know along the road you will be offered some bets of 50/50, some 60/40, some 40/60,some 80/20, some 20/80 eytc etc etc..... the 1st grocer is offering you a DYM bet at odds of 6/4 in your facour...... do ou give him yr fiver? 1) please say yes 2) please tell me you understand now........ i grow weary :/
    Posted by cottlad

    I think it is you that does not understand.

    There are indeed many greengrocers but the nearer ones offer the worse deal.

    I should also have said that we are walking along the street with 4 or 5 other guys who are the ones who may occasionally give us £5/£10 as we progress. They are also losing money from their pockets and it is possible that I will give them £5/£10 to help them along too. Also, there are lots of cashpoints along the way so we can always keep a plentiful supply of cash to hand if we wish.

    While it's true that each greengrocer only offers us one go, we can shop at several greengrocers and we do know what the ratio of apples is at each shop - that is the whole point.

    I might choose to support my local greengrocer and am very glad when other people support him too but I'm not going to criticise someone who wants to wait until they get to the hypermarket at the end of the street, albeit a hypermarket with a flawed business model that may well go broke or shut up shop early. There will always be hypermarkets in my experience; even if we don't manage to get their fantastic offer today we will do on another day. It's likely that some of our friends will have got richer quicker than us but we will also make money over time and are quite happy with that.

    The problem with shopping at greengrocers is that there are far too many people who are critical of other people shopping for the deal that suits them best.  As I said before, we don't all have to shop at the same grocers but we do need to allow other people to shop where they like.

    Please tell me that you understand now.
    I'm not growing weary and I'm quite happy to extend this analogy if you wish but I sense that the elastic is about to snap.


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