My last and final contribution, (realise ‘very boring’) Maybe not so boring, when ‘one’ is on the wrong end off;
Monday evening, the late rebuy 13578446016
Pocket 10 10 not laying it down, at any price, against a flopped set, and a turned full house, and naturally ‘gets there’ as a maximum 3% chance on the river, raise and reraise called twice on the flop, and ‘all in’ in front called on the turn.7000 chip pot and exit hand. (Maybe, after all) I do need ‘some help’ on how to play Poker!
Monday evening early, Deep stack 1357720441
Aces rivered 11000 chip pot by the 4% chance getting there on the river
Monday afternoon Rebuy 1355486965
Something like two and a half hours play, I look down at AA ,naturally the big stack is calling a 1600 raise pre,with pocket 6 10 ,flop brings a 9 high board, and three spades to go with my As Ad,(nut flush draw) and naturally the 18% chance pre, gets there.
£500 bounty hunter 1341915765
For near 7000 chips, nothing like a bit of turn river runner runner to take it down as an 18% chance
And finally, calling a huge shove by pocket J4 with AQ, 65% fav through the turn! Just wish, for a ‘bit’ of the probable, as opposed to………… just being ‘unlucky’.
The big problem here is you say you are playing "the best poker" but as Feelgroggy said there are a lot of hands that you butchered. There are mistakes that your opponents have made in some of the hands and this is great for us but don't focus on that. Our opponents making mistakes will make us money long term but you need to focus on your own plays and the losing plays that you are making. I wont go through every hand but for example, limping 67o isn't a winning play so I would be looking at eradicating errors like this. (Also, not that it matters a great deal but your opponent is 4.55% to win.) The A10 seems fairly standard that our opponent calls the flop bet, they get lucky on the river but effectively all that happened is you lost a flip. In an earlier hand you cold call a 3b from the bb with k8 suited so you can analyse the later streets but plays like this are losing plays. The QQ v AKss hand you posted you are only 51% to win, there will be a lot of flips you win or lose when you play.
Mr K, I concur, actually Love Poker, and, believe it or not Skypoker,but, be fair,look at All the betting action on that exact hand? Not entitled to smash my head, kick the door? Again? X
If I have lost the plot, I aplogise, flopped trips,turned set,chased down by a solitary pocket pair, less than a 5 % chance to get there? ,and just got done,less than 5% again, ! Turn river runner runner flushed! I know, just poker, but.... all the best
Will certainly not, be, posting any more, of my ‘boring’ personal Poker experience(s) Had, I been able to wish upon myself, only a few hours after writing the above, a hand of poker, in an mtt, that succinctly summed up, months, of my personal poker sure enough, it had to come along! 18.39 last night, Thursday evening, and when, you are on the wrong end of these, daily, (not multitabling) not multiplying it up, to ‘huge volumes’ of 330 buy ins a day, it is beyond soul destroying, in the poker sense, and more than an irretent,of ‘perceived poker ability’ I will briefly, describe, the hand below, (and happy to be shot down in flames) if my analysis, is deemed incorrect, which I would describe, as set mining, in its purest Poker sense. A pocket pair, calling a pre flop raise, (in the appropriate situation) when the flop, ‘joy of joys’ completes the set, on the one time that Poker probability says it will, in approximately eight attempts. Happy to be corrected? Set in stone, in my mind, pocket pair, to a flopped set, is between a 13/2 to 15/2 shot? Six handed. That, in itself, means nothing other than, Poker player (A) has now got a spot, where the possibility exists, of removing a large chunk of chips, from player (B) And, a point to note, might make one or two of you smile, any poker probability, and poker maths, any poker percentages, I have ever ‘joisted with the forum over’ have always, been based on ‘live cards’ still being in the deck, if, discussing, hundreds of hands, simple logic, dictate’s, no way, all live cards remain in the deck, and in the following example, who is to say? Out of eight folded cards, there was not a K amongst them? I just hope, that example, might? Reveal me, to be not ‘exactly the Poker Philistine’ I may have portrayed myself as, and boy oh boy, do I struggle with articulation. The hand I referenced from early Sunday,(after a good few hours play) it may have only been a little mtt,still north of £300 in prize pool, and that was for such a huge chip lead, with only 11 runners left ? I played the best poker, did everything right, and 4.55% takes me down, on the river. (If all live cards remain!) The bounty hunter hand from Monday, pocket JJ, flopped SET, I played the best poker, did everything right, 96.77% favourite (if all live cards remain!) turn river runner runner. I could go, on and on and on, but won’t, last night’s hand, a flopped set, against a pocket pair, as you will see, all the betting action, on the flop, 89% fav v 11%,improves to 96% v 4% (if all live cards remain !) And the worst thing of all, when your Poker sixth sense, tells you, it is going to happen again, and the one? Or two outer hits? As, a very final attempt, at articulation, Sat 00.30 through Sun 00.30, approximately, within that period,26 separate buyins,accumalitive 14 hours play,concentrating,enjoying Poker, being absorbed in table dynamics,( if I am not in a hand, I love to observe closely),if ‘one’ does not have the cards, or the spots, no matter how brilliant a poker player anyone is, there is not much you can do,so,focus,and patience, it is not exactly the pennies and the pounds, buy ins in that period, approximately £100,loss,approximately £30,and,at the very best, a 4% chance rivers me, if I had of held up in that hand, the chip lead was huge, ’smoke a Hamlet’ and ladder to heads up ! If any of the senior readers, remember, Mr Hellmuth v Mr Ferguson heads up, final table, I think Ferguson hit a miracle 9 on the river, and Mr Hellmuth, in the full literal sense, ‘collapsed to the floor’ ..Well so did..misterpj! About a baker’s dozen times, in the last week... Best Wishes,hope gifted a chuckle or two in the forums direction. one day, maybe? bankroll,200 buy ins, average buy in £11, (£2200) non turbo DYMs, £5.50 - £22, MTTs £5.50 - £22, thanks for reading, ‘have mercy’ !
'missing you all' hope The Poker God's, are treating you kindly ?
It's been a while........Now I need to remind myself,what was my question ?
Oh yes, I remembered,something along the lines,of 'playing the best Poker'
As,I take 'on board' the 'pest' that is Varience (hmm)
Kind of a hard bridge to cross,that,playing the best Poker,will bring its rewards,based on evidence,so to that end my dear Poker ladies and gentleman,can I offer you, from a couple of days ago,the following.
Something approaching three and a half hours play,tournament life,risked not once (well not once until something like,three and a half hours play,final table,six handed)
Oh, and yes, I know ' Optimum Poker,Best Poker,( not always rewarded,)
But once in a while, ( any chance ? all in so good ( 95% plus favourite )
To yet again, for the umpteenth time,Lose Another Key hand, as a 95% favourite.
turn river, runner runner again ( so used to it,I almost expect it !)
Does Varience, work the other way ? ' tongue jammed in check'
' just a litte bit of varying back', something like,winning a hand like that 95 times out of a hundred,instead, in my case,losing hands like that, ( if I put the actual % no one would believe)
think this is isolated ?, well, I will post this one for now ,and can easily post FIVE more exact same scenario's, from the last few days.
I defy,any of the best players on here,to keep a straight face,and tell me,I played this hand; awful,chronic,non optimum, or any other adjective,maybe my bet sizing was all kaput again ? eh Phil (rofl) much love all.
I can keep a straight face coz I’m not a good player...surely the key consideration is the timescale by which you seem to be getting a bad run of cards against you.
Just as at the same time surely you get a run of hands that go for you? And again within a timescale, eg I won a 15k freeroll seat for tomorrow where no matter what hand I played! I seem to hit,even down to rivering my opponent in similar circumstances more than once...
I’m still new to this game-4 years or so- but as a rec player I do seem to get a lot of bad beats like this...oh and a lot of good ones as well ONLINE.. I don’t seem to get the variances as often live-either way
@Tikay10 - still new, you corrected him earlier on when trip/set where mentioned, what’s the difference ,please?
I can keep a straight face coz I’m not a good player...surely the key consideration is the timescale by which you seem to be getting a bad run of cards against you.
Just as at the same time surely you get a run of hands that go for you? And again within a timescale, eg I won a 15k freeroll seat for tomorrow where no matter what hand I played! I seem to hit,even down to rivering my opponent in similar circumstances more than once...
I’m still new to this game-4 years or so- but as a rec player I do seem to get a lot of bad beats like this...oh and a lot of good ones as well ONLINE.. I don’t seem to get the variances as often live-either way
@Tikay10 - still new, you corrected him earlier on when trip/set where mentioned, what’s the difference ,please?
Trips are when the board pairs & we have a card to match, as in, say, the board comes 2-6-J-J-5 & we have a J in our hand.
A Set is when we have a pair in our hand & a third card of the same value hits the board, as in, say, we have 3-3, & the board comes 2-3-9-6-Q
I can keep a straight face coz I’m not a good player...surely the key consideration is the timescale by which you seem to be getting a bad run of cards against you.
Just as at the same time surely you get a run of hands that go for you? And again within a timescale, eg I won a 15k freeroll seat for tomorrow where no matter what hand I played! I seem to hit,even down to rivering my opponent in similar circumstances more than once...
I’m still new to this game-4 years or so- but as a rec player I do seem to get a lot of bad beats like this...oh and a lot of good ones as well ONLINE.. I don’t seem to get the variances as often live-either way
@Tikay10 - still new, you corrected him earlier on when trip/set where mentioned, what’s the difference ,please?
Trips are when the board pairs & we have a card to match, as in, say, the board comes 2-6-J-J-5 & we have a J in our hand.
A Set is when we have a pair in our hand & a third card of the same value hits the board, as in, say, we have 3-3, & the board comes 2-3-9-6-Q
Sets are much stronger than trips.
Thanks for such a straight forward explanation - I get that a set is stronger....or should I say I hope I get a set more often! Cheers...no bet today?
only for clarity, that is Tuesday evenings,deep stack MTT, tourney running near 3 hours 40 mins, a bakers dozen (13) players left.
My 3000 big blind,two players come along for a look at the flop.My big blind,zero to see a flop. Will leave the rest for your own eyes to see,emphasis on, a pot worth 158,000,poker maths 90% + ( 92%) favorite. as it happens, misterpj chip leader,chip count was something like, 95,000, 65,000,35,000,that was first second and third at that time.
In case you can't stand the suspense, any longer, turn river runner runner (again !), having snap called the 10 10 all in, with a flopped straight.
I know what you are thinking... misterpj having (for once,a brag !) take a look my Poker friends. My big blind,zero to see a flop.Poker Maths 92% favorite.So the all in shove,as an 8% chance,which I have to call,picks up a 158,000 chip pot,and a 120,000 chip lead.Nice work,if you can get it.
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Maybe not so boring, when ‘one’ is on the wrong end off;
Monday evening, the late rebuy 13578446016
Pocket 10 10 not laying it down, at any price, against a flopped set, and a turned full house, and naturally ‘gets there’ as a maximum 3% chance on the river, raise and reraise called twice on the flop, and ‘all in’ in front called on the turn.7000 chip pot and exit hand.
(Maybe, after all) I do need ‘some help’ on how to play Poker!
Monday evening early, Deep stack 1357720441
Aces rivered 11000 chip pot by the 4% chance getting there on the river
Monday afternoon Rebuy 1355486965
Something like two and a half hours play, I look down at AA ,naturally the big stack is calling a 1600 raise pre,with pocket 6 10 ,flop brings a 9 high board, and three spades to go with my As Ad,(nut flush draw) and naturally the 18% chance pre, gets there.
£500 bounty hunter 1341915765
For near 7000 chips, nothing like a bit of turn river runner runner to take it down as an 18% chance
And finally, calling a huge shove by pocket J4 with AQ, 65% fav through the turn!
Just wish, for a ‘bit’ of the probable, as opposed to………… just being ‘unlucky’.
"Pocket 10 10 not laying it down, at any price, against a flopped set"
You never had a flopped set - you flopped trips, not a set. Big difference.
Had, I been able to wish upon myself, only a few hours after writing the above, a hand of poker, in an mtt, that succinctly summed up, months, of my personal poker sure enough, it had to come along!
18.39 last night, Thursday evening, and when, you are on the wrong end of these, daily, (not multitabling) not multiplying it up, to ‘huge volumes’ of 330 buy ins a day, it is beyond soul destroying, in the poker sense, and more than an irretent,of ‘perceived poker ability’
I will briefly, describe, the hand below, (and happy to be shot down in flames) if my analysis, is deemed incorrect, which I would describe, as set mining, in its purest Poker sense.
A pocket pair, calling a pre flop raise, (in the appropriate situation) when the flop, ‘joy of joys’ completes the set, on the one time that Poker probability says it will, in approximately eight attempts. Happy to be corrected? Set in stone, in my mind, pocket pair, to a flopped set, is between a 13/2 to 15/2 shot? Six handed.
That, in itself, means nothing other than, Poker player (A) has now got a spot, where the possibility exists, of removing a large chunk of chips, from player (B)
And, a point to note, might make one or two of you smile, any poker probability, and poker maths, any poker percentages, I have ever ‘joisted with the forum over’ have always, been based on ‘live cards’ still being in the deck, if, discussing, hundreds of hands, simple logic, dictate’s, no way, all live cards remain in the deck, and in the following example, who is to say? Out of eight folded cards, there was not a K amongst them? I just hope, that example, might? Reveal me, to be not ‘exactly the Poker Philistine’ I may have portrayed myself as, and boy oh boy, do I struggle with articulation.
The hand I referenced from early Sunday,(after a good few hours play) it may have only been a little mtt,still north of £300 in prize pool, and that was for such a huge chip lead, with only 11 runners left ? I played the best poker, did everything right, and 4.55% takes me down, on the river. (If all live cards remain!)
The bounty hunter hand from Monday, pocket JJ, flopped SET, I played the best poker, did everything right, 96.77% favourite (if all live cards remain!) turn river runner runner.
I could go, on and on and on, but won’t, last night’s hand, a flopped set, against a pocket pair, as you will see, all the betting action, on the flop, 89% fav v 11%,improves to 96% v 4% (if all live cards remain !) And the worst thing of all, when your Poker sixth sense, tells you, it is going to happen again, and the one? Or two outer hits?
As, a very final attempt, at articulation, Sat 00.30 through Sun 00.30, approximately, within that period,26 separate buyins,accumalitive 14 hours play,concentrating,enjoying Poker, being absorbed in table dynamics,( if I am not in a hand, I love to observe closely),if ‘one’ does not have the cards, or the spots, no matter how brilliant a poker player anyone is, there is not much you can do,so,focus,and patience, it is not exactly the pennies and the pounds, buy ins in that period, approximately £100,loss,approximately £30,and,at the very best, a 4% chance rivers me, if I had of held up in that hand, the chip lead was huge, ’smoke a Hamlet’ and ladder to heads up ! If any of the senior readers, remember, Mr Hellmuth v Mr Ferguson heads up, final table, I think Ferguson hit a miracle 9 on the river, and Mr Hellmuth, in the full literal sense, ‘collapsed to the floor’ ..Well so did..misterpj! About a baker’s dozen times, in the last week...
Best Wishes,hope gifted a chuckle or two in the forums direction.
one day, maybe? bankroll,200 buy ins, average buy in £11, (£2200) non turbo DYMs, £5.50 - £22, MTTs £5.50 - £22, thanks for reading, ‘have mercy’ !
It's been a while........Now I need to remind myself,what was my question ?
Oh yes, I remembered,something along the lines,of 'playing the best Poker'
As,I take 'on board' the 'pest' that is Varience (hmm)
Kind of a hard bridge to cross,that,playing the best Poker,will bring its rewards,based on evidence,so to that end my dear Poker ladies and gentleman,can I offer you, from a couple of days ago,the following.
Something approaching three and a half hours play,tournament life,risked not once (well not once until something like,three and a half hours play,final table,six handed)
Oh, and yes, I know ' Optimum Poker,Best Poker,( not always rewarded,)
But once in a while, ( any chance ? all in so good ( 95% plus favourite )
To yet again, for the umpteenth time,Lose Another Key hand, as a 95% favourite.
turn river, runner runner again ( so used to it,I almost expect it !)
Does Varience, work the other way ? ' tongue jammed in check'
' just a litte bit of varying back', something like,winning a hand like that 95 times out of a hundred,instead, in my case,losing hands like that, ( if I put the actual % no one would believe)
think this is isolated ?, well, I will post this one for now ,and can easily post FIVE more exact same scenario's, from the last few days.
I defy,any of the best players on here,to keep a straight face,and tell me,I played this hand; awful,chronic,non optimum, or any other adjective,maybe my bet sizing was all kaput again ? eh Phil (rofl) much love all.
Paul (have mercy,unlucky just hard to accept)
I can keep a straight face coz I’m not a good player...surely the key consideration is the timescale by which you seem to be getting a bad run of cards against you.
Just as at the same time surely you get a run of hands that go for you? And again within a timescale, eg I won a 15k freeroll seat for tomorrow where no matter what hand I played! I seem to hit,even down to rivering my opponent in similar circumstances more than once...
I’m still new to this game-4 years or so- but as a rec player I do seem to get a lot of bad beats like this...oh and a lot of good ones as well ONLINE.. I don’t seem to get the variances as often live-either way
@Tikay10 - still new, you corrected him earlier on when trip/set where mentioned, what’s the difference ,please?
A Set is when we have a pair in our hand & a third card of the same value hits the board, as in, say, we have 3-3, & the board comes 2-3-9-6-Q
Sets are much stronger than trips.
My 3000 big blind,two players come along for a look at the flop.My big blind,zero to see a flop. Will leave the rest for your own eyes to see,emphasis on, a pot worth 158,000,poker maths 90% + ( 92%) favorite. as it happens, misterpj chip leader,chip count was something like, 95,000, 65,000,35,000,that was first second and third at that time.
In case you can't stand the suspense, any longer, turn river runner runner (again !), having snap called the 10 10 all in, with a flopped straight.
I know what you are thinking... misterpj having (for once,a brag !) take a look my Poker friends. My big blind,zero to see a flop.Poker Maths 92% favorite.So the all in shove,as an 8% chance,which I have to call,picks up a 158,000 chip pot,and a 120,000 chip lead.Nice work,if you can get it.
those words,are; 'I do wish,I could explain to the skeptics,how Poker works,'it's just maths'
And, I agree (whole heartedly)
battered, 12 hours solid