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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918

    That's a bit like refusing to do your 11plus, until you are 13.
    You know what you know when you are 11 and have to do the exam.
    Even though everyone knows more when they are 13
    .
    Mind numbingly stupid example . It was the responsibilty of politicians to present realistic scenarios and accurately represent consequences to the country pre vote . They failed to do that . If you are saying that wasn't possible , then the referendum should never have been offered up.

    Which is what I said in the first place, but once it was everyone had a responsibility to vote.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Mind numbingly stupid example . It was the responsibilty of politicians to present realistic scenarios and accurately represent consequences to the country pre vote . They failed to do that . If you are saying that wasn't possible , then the referendum should never have been offered up.
    Which is what I said in the first place, but once it was everyone had a responsibility to vote.

    Totally disagree ...it would be and is irresponsible to vote uninformed about the consequences .
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    edited December 2018
    tomgoodun said:



    Same as Phil tried, and was shot down I was merely trying to help, and it has been twisted around which is sad.
    I think this is a thread on Brexit, but if phil is haysie, i have no respect for anyone who says Parents of Child Rape victims, should feel partly responsible.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793

    I think this is a thread on Brexit, but if phil is haysie, i have no respect for anyone who says Parents of Child Rape victims, should feel partly responsible.
    Think " poor me " is referring to essexphil
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,758
    The bitter and twisted one is correct, I was referring to essexphil.

    Par for the course that Rainman types about this being a thread about Brexit, yet “sticks up” for what he considers his friend when they post a link to an online sales outlet ( forgive my lack of knowledge on correct terminology)

    Birds of a feather and all that..
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    tomgoodun said:

    The bitter and twisted one is correct, I was referring to essexphil.

    Par for the course that Rainman types about this being a thread about Brexit, yet “sticks up” for what he considers his friend when they post a link to an online sales outlet ( forgive my lack of knowledge on correct terminology)

    Birds of a feather and all that..

    Very nice of you to give the store a plug , many thanks :)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918




    Totally disagree ...it would be and is irresponsible to vote uninformed about the consequences .

    So do you think that the 34 million people that voted, informed themselves, attended Brexit classes, or were just cleverer than you.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918
    Or maybe look into it and inform yourself
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918
    HAYSIE said:

    Mind numbingly stupid example . It was the responsibilty of politicians to present realistic scenarios and accurately represent consequences to the country pre vote . They failed to do that . If you are saying that wasn't possible , then the referendum should never have been offered up.
    Which is what I said in the first place, but once it was everyone had a responsibility to vote.

    If there is anyone on this forum who should know about mind numbingly stupid examples...………………………………………………..
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918
    HAYSIE said:

    Highlight, and type a sentence.
    I am off to play poker now.
    Gives you plenty of time to answer any questions you are capable of answering.
    Debate is about questions, answers, opinions, and viewpoints.
    If you ask me any question about Brexit, I will give you my view or opinion. That's not to say it is right, or that you will agree with it.
    You on the other hand seem unable to answer any questions, or state your opinion.
    I don't claim to be a Brexit expert, but have taken an interest, and gained some knowledge.

    Have you ever disagreed with any post made by your little gang?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918


    I can.

    In the two years since the referendum, it has become obvious that at the time the public was extremely ill informed about the consequences of leaving.

    This evidence was not available, or discussed prior to the referendum.

    This additional information did not affect me as I voted to remain. It only really affected leave voters.


    How do you think that the 34 million people that voted differed from you?

    How many of these 34 million voters would you consider informed?

    What percentage of voters do you think are well informed?

    Do you think it is a voters responsibility to inform themselves?

    Can you vote in General Elections, or do you find yourself unable to assess politicians claims?

    If you were Scottish, would you vote in an Independence Referendum, or would you just say "no one knows"?

    Don't you think that many people have lots more knowledge regarding staying or leaving now than they could have had prior to the referendum?

    What do you think about compulsory voting?

    Do you think it has affected Australia in an adverse way?

    If you lived in Australia, would you be happy to be paying the fines for being ill informed or just vote?

    Or would you take responsibility, become informed and save the money?

    Do you think that many difficulties surrounding leaving the EU have come to light since the referendum?

    Full of questions , but don't want to answer any ! ;)

    you cant.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918

    An article by Jonathon Arnott an MEP, specifically highlighting what he thinks are benefits of leaving : http://www.jonathanarnott.co.uk/2018/06/benefits-of-brexit/

    I'm sure Haysie will be along shortly to point out why he's wrong about all of it :D

    Why don't you point out the things that you agree with, Mr Masterclass, that is such a superb debater, that he finds it impossible to answer any simple question.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918
    edited December 2018
    HAYSIE said:

    Why don't you point out the things that you agree with, Mr Masterclass, that is such a superb debater, that he finds it impossible to answer any simple question.
    What do you think of point one?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited December 2018
    HAYSIE said:





    Totally disagree ...it would be and is irresponsible to vote uninformed about the consequences .

    So do you think that the 34 million people that voted, informed themselves, attended Brexit classes, or were just cleverer than you.

    Another stupid comment . Why would you make the assumption that all of the 34 million who voted were necessarily informed ?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Why don't you point out the things that you agree with, Mr Masterclass, that is such a superb debater, that he finds it impossible to answer any simple question.
    Who said I agree with any of it ..it is merely another viewpoint from someone else to give this thread balance . What do you not understand about that ?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    What do you think of point one?
    What do you think ?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Have you ever disagreed with any post made by your little gang?
    You are starting to repeat yourself and sounding more and more childish .
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918
    edited December 2018

    So do you think that the 34 million people that voted, informed themselves, attended Brexit classes, or were just cleverer than you.
    Another stupid comment . Why would you make the assumption that all of the 34 million who voted were necessarily informed ?

    I am not. The point I am making is that 34 million people took their voting responsibility seriously.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,918

    You are starting to repeat yourself and sounding more and more childish .
    I have clearly not asked this question before.
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